Hallo again Josephine, Again, thank you for all these - it is really good of you. These are really useful I think I favour the later date (1817) for Mary was born around 1794 according to censuses and this would fit well with the birth of a first baby in 1818 but I will regard both as possibles. Her last child was born in 1833 so either would fit. Besides, these are interesting but are a bit of a side line for our research. It is lovely how names resurface - we have a Nancy in our family,(35) a lot of Thomases (OK so that one continues for hundreds of years) but the really spooky ones were when we wandered round a churchyard in Wolverhampton and found our daughter's name there Abigail Wood - some 200 years before her fortunately! And the other was the first Huguenot breakthrough 30+ years ago when the fist named clockmaker in the Duterreau partnership was a Gideon. Our son Gideon was then just 2 and we had no idea of either of these names! I too must go and do something about supper. It is nearly 10 pm here.... Jean Wood > Message du 22/09/12 21:30 > De : "Josephine Jeremiah" > A : [email protected] > Copie à : > Objet : [B&S] FRENCH Thomas, marriages in Gloucestershire, 1814 and 1817 (Thomas French of Bristol) > > On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 19:34:06 +0100, Jean WOOD > wrote: > > > If you ever come across his marriage to a Mary - estimate 18 - teens - > > Marie seems to be the eldest born around 1818, > > Thomas Henry 1821 > > siblings William, 1825 > > Sarah, 1831 > > Elisa 1833 All Cheltenham - Or do I need to go to a Glos list? > > Hi Jean, > > Here are two possible matches though neither marriage was in the > Cheltenham area. > > Thomas FRENCH and Mary LEONARD were married, by banns, on 25th. December > 1814 at Dursley, GLS. > > Thomas FRENCH and Mary BERRIMAN, widow, were married, by banns, on 18th. > March 1817 at Stroud, GLS. > > These marriages are included in the Gloucestershire Mariage Index > 1800-1837 produced by Gloucester Family History Society. www.gfhs.org.uk > > Josephine > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I meant to say, St Michael's looks very rural at that time. I presume it was just at the beginning of the great expansion of towns and cities. Are the current buildings in that area predominantly 18th & 19th century? And did many get destroyed in WW 2? Jean Wood > Message du 22/09/12 19:39 > De : "Josephine Jeremiah" > A : [email protected] > Copie à : > Objet : Re: [B&S] Thomas French of Bristol was HAINES in Sion Place, Bristol, > > On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 16:45:00 +0100, Jean WOOD > wrote: > > > As a rider to this - if anyone can tell me anything more about Thomas > > French - born 1781-1786 according to various censuses (I have a possible > > Christening date of 12 oct 1783, son of Thomas and Nancy French) - > > nothing more, no church, nor occupation. I would be grateful. > > Hi Jean, > > Thomas FRENCH, son of Thomas and Nancy, was baptized on 12th. October 1783 > at St. Michael's Church, Bristol. > > The burial of Thomas FRENCH, aged 9 months, took place on 12th. July 1784 > at the same church. > > Thomas FRENCH, son of Thomas and Nancy, was baptized at the age of 7 > months, on 8th. July 1787 at St. Michael's Church. > > John FRENCH, son of Thomas and Nancy, was baptized on 8th. July 1781 at > the same church. > > There's a map on my web site of St. Michael's Church and its surroundings, > Bristol 1789. > > http://www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com/bristolbits/bristol/stmichaels.htm > > Josephine > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks again Josephine, Where did you find them? Useful to know I only found the first one (on line - Ancestry I think) Poor little object - he was baptised very soon after birth - I wonder if this was a desperate, and vain, measure as the second one was 7 months old at baptism. If you ever come across his marriage to a Mary - estimate 18 - teens - Marie seems to be the eldest born around 1818, Thomas Henry 1821 siblings William, 1825 Sarah, 1831 Elisa 1833 All Cheltenham - Or do I need to go to a Glos list? Quite big gaps - maybe more deaths? These all lived into 19C censuses Or if you come across a parental marriage Thomas French to Nancy - presumably in the 1770s or early 1780s - your reward will come in Heaven! Jean Wood > Message du 22/09/12 19:39 > De : "Josephine Jeremiah" > A : [email protected] > Copie à : > Objet : Re: [B&S] Thomas French of Bristol was HAINES in Sion Place, Bristol, > > On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 16:45:00 +0100, Jean WOOD > wrote: > > > As a rider to this - if anyone can tell me anything more about Thomas > > French - born 1781-1786 according to various censuses (I have a possible > > Christening date of 12 oct 1783, son of Thomas and Nancy French) - > > nothing more, no church, nor occupation. I would be grateful. > > Hi Jean, > > Thomas FRENCH, son of Thomas and Nancy, was baptized on 12th. October 1783 > at St. Michael's Church, Bristol. > > The burial of Thomas FRENCH, aged 9 months, took place on 12th. July 1784 > at the same church. > > Thomas FRENCH, son of Thomas and Nancy, was baptized at the age of 7 > months, on 8th. July 1787 at St. Michael's Church. > > John FRENCH, son of Thomas and Nancy, was baptized on 8th. July 1781 at > the same church. > > There's a map on my web site of St. Michael's Church and its surroundings, > Bristol 1789. > > http://www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com/bristolbits/bristol/stmichaels.htm > > Josephine > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 19:34:06 +0100, Jean WOOD <[email protected]> wrote: > If you ever come across his marriage to a Mary - estimate 18 - teens - > Marie seems to be the eldest born around 1818, > Thomas Henry 1821 > siblings William, 1825 > Sarah, 1831 > Elisa 1833 All Cheltenham - Or do I need to go to a Glos list? Hi Jean, Here are two possible matches though neither marriage was in the Cheltenham area. Thomas FRENCH and Mary LEONARD were married, by banns, on 25th. December 1814 at Dursley, GLS. Thomas FRENCH and Mary BERRIMAN, widow, were married, by banns, on 18th. March 1817 at Stroud, GLS. These marriages are included in the Gloucestershire Mariage Index 1800-1837 produced by Gloucester Family History Society. www.gfhs.org.uk Josephine

On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 19:34:06 +0100, Jean WOOD <[email protected]> wrote: > Or if you come across a parental marriage Thomas French to Nancy - > presumably in the 1770s or early 1780s - your reward will come in Heaven! Hi Jean, Your wish is my command :-) Thomas FRENCH, yeoman, and Nancy FOWLES, spinster, were married, by licence, on 25th. June 1780 at St. Michael's Church, Bristol. This marriage is included in Bristol Diocese Marriage Registers Vol 9 Groom & Bride Indexes & Transcripts 1754-1812, produced by Bristol & Avon Family History Society. www.bafhs.org.uk Josephine

I meant widow Mary Ann Evans. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 7:53 PM Subject: [B&S] Captin Robert Evans, deth in the Bristol Mercury > Going back a year. I note I was given a death notice or mention of one > from the Bristol Mercury, dated 7th October 1865. Captain Robert Evans > of the ship Colombo, drowned 5th October 1864. In the Cyclone near > Calcutta, India It was from a lady on Yorksgen list. > > I was wondering if anyone can look that up for me in that edition of the > newspaper or any of the Bristol newspapers. I would like to see who > inserted that year late deth notice for Capatin or Master Robert Evans > please. His wiodopw would have been Mary Ann or Maryann Evans nee Tucker. > > Thanks > Edie McArthur > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Going back a year. I note I was given a death notice or mention of one from the Bristol Mercury, dated 7th October 1865. Captain Robert Evans of the ship Colombo, drowned 5th October 1864. In the Cyclone near Calcutta, India It was from a lady on Yorksgen list. I was wondering if anyone can look that up for me in that edition of the newspaper or any of the Bristol newspapers. I would like to see who inserted that year late deth notice for Capatin or Master Robert Evans please. His wiodopw would have been Mary Ann or Maryann Evans nee Tucker. Thanks Edie McArthur

On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 19:34:06 +0100, Jean WOOD <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks again Josephine, > > Where did you find them? Hi Jean, Sorry, I usually put the sources, but I left them out because I was just about to dash off to make tea. The baptisms of the sons of Thomas and Nancy FRENCH in 1781, 1783 and 1787, which took place at St. Michael's Church, Bristol, are included in Bristol Diocese Baptismal Registers Vols. 11 to 14 Index & Teanscripts 1754-1812, produced by Bristol & Avon Family History Society. The 1784 burial of Thomas FRENCH, aged 9 months, is included in Bristol Diocese Burial Registers Vol 3 Index & Transcripts 1754-1812, produced by Bristol & Avon Family History Society. > Poor little object - he was baptised very soon after birth - I wonder if > this was a desperate, and vain, measure as the second one was 7 months > old at baptism. I too thought of the poor little baby dying so young and thought of how his parents must have felt. Josephine

On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 16:45:00 +0100, Jean WOOD <[email protected]> wrote: > As a rider to this - if anyone can tell me anything more about Thomas > French - born 1781-1786 according to various censuses (I have a possible > Christening date of 12 oct 1783, son of Thomas and Nancy French) - > nothing more, no church, nor occupation. I would be grateful. Hi Jean, Thomas FRENCH, son of Thomas and Nancy, was baptized on 12th. October 1783 at St. Michael's Church, Bristol. The burial of Thomas FRENCH, aged 9 months, took place on 12th. July 1784 at the same church. Thomas FRENCH, son of Thomas and Nancy, was baptized at the age of 7 months, on 8th. July 1787 at St. Michael's Church. John FRENCH, son of Thomas and Nancy, was baptized on 8th. July 1781 at the same church. There's a map on my web site of St. Michael's Church and its surroundings, Bristol 1789. http://www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com/bristolbits/bristol/stmichaels.htm Josephine

On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 10:22:24 +0100, elaine westaway <[email protected]> wrote: > I have not found Samuel's baptism and the nearest one I can find is in > Gravesend in Kent but perhaps you can correct me on this. Hi Elaine, I gave you the baptism of Samuel BURT on Thursday. Samuel BURT, the son of John and Hester, was baptized on 13th. February 1825 at the church of St. Philip and Jacob, Bristol. Abode was St. Philip and father's occupation was sail-cloth weaver. This baptism is included in Bristol Diocese Baptismal Registers Vols. 1 to 7 Index & Transcripts 1813-1837 produced by Bristol & Avon Family History Society. www.bafhs.org.uk Josephine

Like Elaine I found some interesting connections between the West country and Liverppool (and also West Midlands. ) Over many years I have been researching my family history and last winter published a book about one branch of that family - a Huguenot branch - Duterrau. At that point I was trying to find out how the line descended through as many as I could trace down to the mid 20th century. . I quote John Simpson Du Terreaux (b.1813, Hanover Sq. London) is a shadowy figure but seems to have been a classic resposible first child of the family. He married Marie French in Cheltenham in September 1838. Marie's father Thomas was described as a Grocer on the marriage cert, but by 1841 she may have been a widow and was living with her 9 month old son Louis/Lewis in Toxteth, (Liverpool) with father Thomas French, mother Mary and brother William. (2 years after her marriage Marie was advertising in the local paper as a Professor of Drawing and Painting in Leamington Spa - they got about! We do not know if her husband was actually alive when she registered the baby's birth in September 1840. We would like to know if he was ill, unlucky, or a rat!) In 1841 Thomas is described as a commission Agent. In 1851 he is described as a Printer born in Bristol. Marie remarried on New Year's Day, 1845 in Toxteth to James Hobbs, a widower and hatter. His father was a miller and hers again a printer. (I have both marriage certs) I cannot find him in the 1841 census. Until his death he,Marie, and briefly their own son, are all described as hatters. Now James was born in Blockley, Worcestershire (1809) where there was a thriving, growing silk business until a tax was imposed on imported silk in 1860 which devastated the trade. He and his family and the Frenches continued for many years in the northwest As a rider to this - if anyone can tell me anything more about Thomas French - born 1781-1786 according to various censuses (I have a possible Christening date of 12 oct 1783, son of Thomas and Nancy French) - nothing more, no church, nor occupation. I would be grateful. Thomas' wife Mary b c 1794 - no more info, or even if anywhere you happen upon the death or other details of John Simpson Du Terreaux - many variant spellings! We have looked for this over many years to no avail. Jean Wood http://www.cheziris.eu/index.htm http://www.cheziris.eu/Duterrau.htm > Message du 22/09/12 13:23 > De : "bernice pegler" > A : [email protected] > Copie à : > Objet : Re: [B&S] HAINES in Sion Place, Bristol, 1851 (was BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET Digest, Vol 7, Issue 242) > > Hi Jospehine > It does look as though Hannah and Harriet Haines are one and the same > person. > Perhaps Elaine doesn't realise hatters moved around and indeed lots of the > Bristol hatters went north to Stockport and Manchester when the trade went > into decline in Bristol. > Bernice > > > "Josephine Jeremiah" wrote > To: > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 11:25 PM > Subject: Re: [B&S] HAINES in Sion Place, Bristol, 1851 (was > BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET Digest, Vol 7, Issue 242) > > > > On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 22:56:48 +0100, bernice pegler > > wrote: > > > >> I'm not sure if Elaine knows where her Haines family were in 1861. They > >> were the parents of JuliaHaines who married Samuel Burt in Liverpool. > >> The spelling has changed to Haynes and they were atThe Cottage, Barrow > >> Lane, Barton Hill in the outparish of St Philip & Jacob, Bristol as > >> follows: > > > >> John Haynes 69 hatter born Stroud, Glos > >> Hannah Haynes 66 Laundress born Eastington, Glos > > > > Hi Bernice, > > > > That's interesting. As Hannah Haynes of the 1861 census was no longer > > Harriet, as in the 1851 census, but both were born in Eastington, this > > suggests that they were the same person. > > > >> I mentioned earlier that there was a burial of a John Haines at St George > >> church on 1.1.1871 age76. > >> There was also a burial of a Hannah Haines at St George church on > >> 3.3.1867 age75. > > > > The age at burial of Hannah Haynes ties in with the age of John's > > wife,'Harriet' in the 1851 census, which was 59 years. > > > > The ages of the couple appear to have been switched around in the 1861 > > census. > > > > In 1851 John was 55 years old and that ties in, 20 years later, with the > > age of 75 at the burial of John Haines in 1871. > > > > The address of Barrow Lane in 1861 was not very far from Sion Place where > > the family was living in 1851. > > > > Josephine > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi All, Just thought I would share with you a breakthrough that I've recently made, after 12 years of searching ! My great x3 grandfather, William GOULD, was a stonemason living in Chewton Mendip in the 1830's/40's. He appears in the 1841 census with his family, but in 1851 his wife Hannah is living in the adjacent parish of Litton and describing herself as a widow. My problem was that I had never been able to find William's death. It is a sufficiently common name to make ordering up all the death certificates across the UK to be impractical. There did not appear to be a local death recorded. Recently, I checked FreeREG (www.freereg.org.uk) again, as I had in the past, but this time, I struck gold ! The burials listed included ages, so I was able to discount many infants of the same name. In fact, I checked every county in the UK and the only record that matched was a burial near Pontypool, South Wales. So it was worth getting the death registration certificate to cross check, which I duly ordered. When it arrived, it confirmed that the deceased William Gould had indeed been a stone mason. Furthermore, the informant was not a family member, but one Henry Gane, a tailor. When I found him in the 1851 census, he confessed that his place of birth was Compton Martin, some 5 miles from Chewton Mendip ! So I am satisfied that I've found the right guy. Although I realise that FreeREG is still incomplete, I think it very unlikely that I will ever find a better match. I did check that there was no William Gould of the right age in the 1841 census who was local to Pontypool. William's cause of death was given as the single word: "chill". Probably pneumonia or influenza, I guess. He would have travelled to Pontypool for work-related reasons. South Wales had an expanding economy in the middle of the nineteenth century, due primarily to the development of the coalfields. So I was not surprised to see him there, despite having recently lived in Chewton Mendip, some 50 miles away. I hope that by publishing these details, others will be encouraged to keep searching for their stubborn ancestors who seem determined not to be found. As databases like FreeREG continue to expand, one day your guy will be picked up - you just need to spot him or her ! Best wishes, Mike Gould Leicestershire

Hi Jospehine It does look as though Hannah and Harriet Haines are one and the same person. Perhaps Elaine doesn't realise hatters moved around and indeed lots of the Bristol hatters went north to Stockport and Manchester when the trade went into decline in Bristol. Bernice "Josephine Jeremiah" <[email protected]> wrote To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 11:25 PM Subject: Re: [B&S] HAINES in Sion Place, Bristol, 1851 (was BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET Digest, Vol 7, Issue 242) > On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 22:56:48 +0100, bernice pegler <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I'm not sure if Elaine knows where her Haines family were in 1861. They >> were the parents of JuliaHaines who married Samuel Burt in Liverpool. >> The spelling has changed to Haynes and they were atThe Cottage, Barrow >> Lane, Barton Hill in the outparish of St Philip & Jacob, Bristol as >> follows: > >> John Haynes 69 hatter born Stroud, Glos >> Hannah Haynes 66 Laundress born Eastington, Glos > > Hi Bernice, > > That's interesting. As Hannah Haynes of the 1861 census was no longer > Harriet, as in the 1851 census, but both were born in Eastington, this > suggests that they were the same person. > >> I mentioned earlier that there was a burial of a John Haines at St George >> church on 1.1.1871 age76. >> There was also a burial of a Hannah Haines at St George church on >> 3.3.1867 age75. > > The age at burial of Hannah Haynes ties in with the age of John's > wife,'Harriet' in the 1851 census, which was 59 years. > > The ages of the couple appear to have been switched around in the 1861 > census. > > In 1851 John was 55 years old and that ties in, 20 years later, with the > age of 75 at the burial of John Haines in 1871. > > The address of Barrow Lane in 1861 was not very far from Sion Place where > the family was living in 1851. > > Josephine > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

thank you so much for this info. I did see the sail maker John Burt and also another one in Plymouth and wondered if this might be the weaver.  I have not found Samuel's baptism and the nearest one I can find is in Gravesend in Kent but perhaps you can correct me on this.  Also can i have the reference for the census in 1841.   Family legend had John Haines as a sailor but Julia's brother Frederick was a sailor and came to live with Samuel and Julia when not at sea so this might be where the confusion arose.   I do wonder how Samuel and Julia met, the family doesn't have any info on this, but as he was in Yorkshire in 1851 and married in Liverpool in 1855 I wonder if he came south to meet her or if she came north.   Once in the North West the family moved to St Helens and John Edwin and Frederick Arthur Burt (two of the sons of Samuel and Julia) worked in the Pilkington Glass factory. Julia was a milliner and my father in law's mother Edith (who was John Edwin's daugther) learnt to be a milliner from her grandmother and yet they had no knowledge of the family's west country roots.   The only slight nod to their west country roots is that Edith Burt was a sufferer of chronic arthritis and was treated for it at the Minn hospital in bath and we often wondered how she came to be seen there from St Helens.  by coincidence I am a sufferer of Elhers Danlos Syndrome and also go there for treatment. next time we are due to go we will have a long weekend in Bristol as I haven't been there for many years although I do have an uncle in a home in Long Ashton.   As I said before my family also has links to Bristol my uncle being evacuated to Chew Stoke during the war and staying there instead of returning full time to London afterwards.  My great grandmother's family came from Wiveliscombe and many of them lived in Bristol also their surname was Branfield.  My family name being Westaway from Devon we seem to have come back and forth in touch with the city and I did once mention that my gg grandfather's sisters were in the new orphan houses in Bristol after the death of their both of their parents within 18 months of each other. I remember someone on here giving me some really interesting information about this institution and putting my mind at rest about the fate of these little girls, the youngest of whom had entered the new orphan houses at just 3.   Thanks again and any further info you can root out would be very very much appreciated.   Kindest regards to all on the list Elaine Westaway Southampton, Hants. UK ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, 22 September 2012, 8:01 Subject: BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET Digest, Vol 7, Issue 246 Today's Topics:   1. Lamb, Pile Street, Redcliff, Bristol , 19th C (was Lamb       Court, St. Mary Redcliffe, Bristol HAINES family) (Josephine Jeremiah)   2. Re: Lamb, Pile Street, Redcliff, Bristol ,    19th C (was Lamb       Court, St. Mary Redcliffe, Bristol HAINES family) (bernice pegler)   3. Re: HAINES in Sion Place, Bristol,    1851 (was       BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET Digest, Vol 7, Issue 242) (bernice pegler)   4. Locations of Bristol public houses in the 1851 census       (Josephine Jeremiah)   5. Re: HAINES in Sion Place, Bristol, 1851 (was       BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET Digest, Vol 7, Issue 242) (Josephine Jeremiah) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 22:16:38 +0100 From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <[email protected]> Subject: [B&S] Lamb, Pile Street, Redcliff, Bristol , 19th C (was Lamb     Court, St. Mary Redcliffe, Bristol HAINES family) To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed;     delsp=yes On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 20:28:59 +0100, bernice pegler <[email protected]> wrote: > I've just checked my 1775 Directory of Bristol as it has a section at the > back listing the courts. It gives Lamb's Court, Pile Street, Redcliff. > I wondered whether there was a pub nearby called The Lamb that gave its  > name to the court but I can't find a record of it but I may not be  > looking in the right place on the internet. Hi Berenice, You are right. There was a pub called the Lamb in the vicinity. There's a reference to the Lamb, Pile Street on the following page on  Bristol's Lost Pubs web site: http://bristolslostpubs.eu/page156.html Josephine ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 22:43:53 +0100 From: "bernice pegler" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [B&S] Lamb, Pile Street, Redcliff, Bristol ,    19th C (was     Lamb Court, St. Mary Redcliffe, Bristol HAINES family) To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";     reply-type=original Thanks for that Josephine. I had a hunch a pub would be involved! Bernice "Josephine Jeremiah" <[email protected]> wrote To: <[email protected]> Subject: [B&S] Lamb, Pile Street, Redcliff, Bristol , 19th C (was Lamb Court, St. Mary Redcliffe, Bristol HAINES family) > On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 20:28:59 +0100, bernice pegler <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I've just checked my 1775 Directory of Bristol as it has a section at the >> back listing the courts. It gives Lamb's Court, Pile Street, Redcliff. >> I wondered whether there was a pub nearby called The Lamb that gave its >> name to the court but I can't find a record of it but I may not be >> looking in the right place on the internet. > > Hi Berenice, > > You are right. There was a pub called the Lamb in the vicinity. > > There's a reference to the Lamb, Pile Street on the following page on > Bristol's Lost Pubs web site: > > http://bristolslostpubs.eu/page156.html > > Josephine > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 22:56:48 +0100 From: "bernice pegler" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [B&S] HAINES in Sion Place, Bristol,    1851 (was     BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET Digest, Vol 7, Issue 242) To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";     reply-type=original Hi again Josephine I'm not sure if Elaine knows where her Haines family were in 1861. They were the parents of Julia Haines who married Samuel Burt in Liverpool. The spelling has changed to Haynes and they were at The Cottage, Barrow Lane, Barton Hill in the outparish of St Philip & Jacob, Bristol as follows: John Haynes 69 hatter born Stroud, Glos Hannah Haynes 66 Laundress born Eastington, Glos I mentioned earlier that there was a burial of a John Haines at St George church on 1.1.1871 age76. There was also a burial of a Hannah Haines at St George church on 3.3.1867 age75. Hope this helps Elaine. Bernice "Josephine Jeremiah" <[email protected]> wrote To: <[email protected]> Friday, September 21, 2012 5:31 PM Subject: [B&S] HAINES in Sion Place, Bristol, 1851 (was BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET Digest, Vol 7, Issue 242) > On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 14:02:19 +0100, elaine westaway > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Julia Haines was born about 1829 and I have her in 1851 with her family >> at 3 Lions Place or Paddock. > > Hi Elaine, > > Lions Place did not look familiar at all to me. I was wondering whether > you meant Bristol or Stroud or somewhere else. > > After some searching, I located it as Sion Place in St. Philip and St. > Jacob, Bristol. > >> Her father is John Haines a journeyman hatter from Strood > > You'd mentioned in your previous message that 'Julia was the daughter of a > sailor'. > > As you'd written that he was a sailor, I'd imagined that he was working on > one of the trows on the Thames & Severn Canal, which passed through > Stroud. > > We've had a lot of correspondence about hatters on this list, in the past, > so perhaps someone can come up with a likely place of work for hatters in > the Stapleton Road/Easton Road area of Bristol. > > Josephine > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 23:05:46 +0100 From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <[email protected]> Subject: [B&S] Locations of Bristol public houses in the 1851 census To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed;     delsp=yes Hi Listers, Here's a useful web page for anyone looking for the locations of Bristol  public houses in the 1851 census: Place:Bristol Registration District, 1851 Census Street Index P-S http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Place:Bristol_Registration_District,_1851_Census_Street_Index_P-S Scroll down the first column to Public Houses. Josephine ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 23:25:54 +0100 From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [B&S] HAINES in Sion Place, Bristol, 1851 (was     BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET Digest, Vol 7, Issue 242) To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed;     delsp=yes On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 22:56:48 +0100, bernice pegler <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm not sure if Elaine knows where her Haines family were in 1861. They  > were the parents of JuliaHaines who married Samuel Burt in Liverpool.  > The spelling has changed to Haynes and they were atThe Cottage, Barrow  > Lane, Barton Hill in the outparish of St Philip & Jacob, Bristol as  > follows: > John Haynes 69 hatter born Stroud, Glos > Hannah Haynes 66 Laundress born Eastington, Glos Hi Bernice, That's interesting. As Hannah Haynes of the 1861 census was no longer  Harriet, as in the 1851 census, but both were born in Eastington, this  suggests that they were the same person. > I mentioned earlier that there was a burial of a John Haines at St George > church on 1.1.1871 age76. > There was also a burial of a Hannah Haines at St George church on  > 3.3.1867 age75. The age at burial of Hannah Haynes ties in with the age of John's  wife,'Harriet' in the 1851 census, which was 59 years. The ages of the couple appear to have been switched around in the 1861  census. In 1851 John was 55 years old and that ties in, 20 years later, with the  age of 75 at the burial of John Haines in 1871. The address of Barrow Lane in 1861 was not very far from Sion Place where  the family was living in 1851. 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On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 22:56:48 +0100, bernice pegler <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm not sure if Elaine knows where her Haines family were in 1861. They > were the parents of JuliaHaines who married Samuel Burt in Liverpool. > The spelling has changed to Haynes and they were atThe Cottage, Barrow > Lane, Barton Hill in the outparish of St Philip & Jacob, Bristol as > follows: > John Haynes 69 hatter born Stroud, Glos > Hannah Haynes 66 Laundress born Eastington, Glos Hi Bernice, That's interesting. As Hannah Haynes of the 1861 census was no longer Harriet, as in the 1851 census, but both were born in Eastington, this suggests that they were the same person. > I mentioned earlier that there was a burial of a John Haines at St George > church on 1.1.1871 age76. > There was also a burial of a Hannah Haines at St George church on > 3.3.1867 age75. The age at burial of Hannah Haynes ties in with the age of John's wife,'Harriet' in the 1851 census, which was 59 years. The ages of the couple appear to have been switched around in the 1861 census. In 1851 John was 55 years old and that ties in, 20 years later, with the age of 75 at the burial of John Haines in 1871. The address of Barrow Lane in 1861 was not very far from Sion Place where the family was living in 1851. Josephine

Hi Listers, Here's a useful web page for anyone looking for the locations of Bristol public houses in the 1851 census: Place:Bristol Registration District, 1851 Census Street Index P-S http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Place:Bristol_Registration_District,_1851_Census_Street_Index_P-S Scroll down the first column to Public Houses. Josephine

Hi again Josephine I'm not sure if Elaine knows where her Haines family were in 1861. They were the parents of Julia Haines who married Samuel Burt in Liverpool. The spelling has changed to Haynes and they were at The Cottage, Barrow Lane, Barton Hill in the outparish of St Philip & Jacob, Bristol as follows: John Haynes 69 hatter born Stroud, Glos Hannah Haynes 66 Laundress born Eastington, Glos I mentioned earlier that there was a burial of a John Haines at St George church on 1.1.1871 age76. There was also a burial of a Hannah Haines at St George church on 3.3.1867 age75. Hope this helps Elaine. Bernice "Josephine Jeremiah" <[email protected]> wrote To: <[email protected]> Friday, September 21, 2012 5:31 PM Subject: [B&S] HAINES in Sion Place, Bristol, 1851 (was BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET Digest, Vol 7, Issue 242) > On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 14:02:19 +0100, elaine westaway > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Julia Haines was born about 1829 and I have her in 1851 with her family >> at 3 Lions Place or Paddock. > > Hi Elaine, > > Lions Place did not look familiar at all to me. I was wondering whether > you meant Bristol or Stroud or somewhere else. > > After some searching, I located it as Sion Place in St. Philip and St. > Jacob, Bristol. > >> Her father is John Haines a journeyman hatter from Strood > > You'd mentioned in your previous message that 'Julia was the daughter of a > sailor'. > > As you'd written that he was a sailor, I'd imagined that he was working on > one of the trows on the Thames & Severn Canal, which passed through > Stroud. > > We've had a lot of correspondence about hatters on this list, in the past, > so perhaps someone can come up with a likely place of work for hatters in > the Stapleton Road/Easton Road area of Bristol. > > Josephine > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for that Josephine. I had a hunch a pub would be involved! Bernice "Josephine Jeremiah" <[email protected]> wrote To: <[email protected]> Subject: [B&S] Lamb, Pile Street, Redcliff, Bristol , 19th C (was Lamb Court, St. Mary Redcliffe, Bristol HAINES family) > On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 20:28:59 +0100, bernice pegler <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I've just checked my 1775 Directory of Bristol as it has a section at the >> back listing the courts. It gives Lamb's Court, Pile Street, Redcliff. >> I wondered whether there was a pub nearby called The Lamb that gave its >> name to the court but I can't find a record of it but I may not be >> looking in the right place on the internet. > > Hi Berenice, > > You are right. There was a pub called the Lamb in the vicinity. > > There's a reference to the Lamb, Pile Street on the following page on > Bristol's Lost Pubs web site: > > http://bristolslostpubs.eu/page156.html > > Josephine > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 20:28:59 +0100, bernice pegler <[email protected]> wrote: > I've just checked my 1775 Directory of Bristol as it has a section at the > back listing the courts. It gives Lamb's Court, Pile Street, Redcliff. > I wondered whether there was a pub nearby called The Lamb that gave its > name to the court but I can't find a record of it but I may not be > looking in the right place on the internet. Hi Berenice, You are right. There was a pub called the Lamb in the vicinity. There's a reference to the Lamb, Pile Street on the following page on Bristol's Lost Pubs web site: http://bristolslostpubs.eu/page156.html Josephine

Hi Josephine I've just checked my 1775 Directory of Bristol as it has a section at the back listing the courts. It gives Lamb's Court, Pile Street, Redcliff. I wondered whether there was a pub nearby called The Lamb that gave its name to the court but I can't find a record of it but I may not be looking in the right place on the internet. Bernice From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [B&S] Lamb Court, St. Mary Redcliffe, Bristol HAINES family > On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 19:27:40 +0100, bernice pegler <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I confirm the address was Lamb Court in St Mary Redcliff parish in 1841 >> and John was a porter age 47. > > Hi Bernice, > > Thanks for your swift reply to my question about Lamb Court. It' a pity > that my old maps don't show the exact location, but as we know, there were > hundreds of courts in Bristol, in past times, and probably only a small > proportion of them were shown on maps. > > Josephine > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message