On 30/09/2012 10:31, Josephine Jeremiah wrote: > On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 16:18:06 +0100, Ian Sage <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> The River Wye - A Pictorial History ... > Hi Ian and Listers, > > Thanks for the reference to latter book, Ian :-) > > I had a look in the index of The River Wye and found references to Bristol > trade. > > I have to confess to cheating a little on this one - the River Wye has its place in my personal history, not my family's. But it is a most enjoyable book for browsing. Ian

On 30/09/2012 09:27, Josephine Jeremiah wrote: >> Five Years of Colliery Life or the Adventures of a Collier Boy in a >> Somersetshire Coal Mine by Jonathan Presto (1884) is one. > I did a search for it and came up with a > reference to the book on this interesting web page, which has reference to > coal pits in the B & S area: > > http://humanities.uwe.ac.uk/bhr/Main/coal/3_coal.htm > > Thanks for that link, Josephine. It's one I haven't come across before. I am not sure if your search led you to the information (which I am unable to verify) that Jonathan Presto was a pseudonym for Charles CHALLENGER - a surname which I know appears in the ancestry of listers. In the style of the day, he is fairly careful not to give specific names of pits and people, but he relates how he began work in September 1864, aged 12 at a colliery which had then been working for 40 years. Taking the pseudonym at face value, Charles seems to have become professionally upwardly mobile and achieve a corresponding social respectability. He can be identified in censuses - for example, as a tramway manager at Neath in 1881 and consistently gives his place of birth as Clutton. In 1861 he is still at Clutton with father Paul and mother Elizabeth; it therefore seems probable that he began work locally, either at the Fry's Bottom or Greyfield pits. The book gives much the best first hand report of Somerset coal mining that I am aware of, and though the account is doubtless sanitised for wider consumption I regard it as a bit of a treasure. Ian

Hi Josephine Yes I agree, we hadn't even heard of Raja until we saw the statue, and Allan was born in Portishead and lived in Bristol too! We were visiting his mother for the weekend, but stayed at the hotel as it makes it so much easier now that Grace is 86! Gives us a bit of space too.....and also the hotel is really nice. We were there for the weekend of the 'Open Doors' so visited the Glenside museum, the Mansion House and the Muller museum and really enjoyed seeing them all. One of Allan's elderly cousins was one of the Muller children, so made it seem more real. Best wishes, Linda In a message dated 30/09/2012 16:17:18 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 15:47:23 +0100, <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Josephine > Hope you are well? We stayed at the Bristol Royal at the beginning of > September and looked at the statue then of Raja. I'm pleased to see > that he is being remembered still. > Best wishes, Lin Hi Lin, Yes, I'm well thank you. Still learning new things every day. I didn't know about the statue of Raja Rammohun Roy outside Bristol Cathedral before today though I knew about his tomb in Arnos Vale Cemetery. There must be lots more things to discover about Bristol and neighbourhood if only we knew where to look or are pointed in the right direction. Josephine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Reg, that sounds an interesting one, I might look that up. Talking of books, has anyone read Augustus Hervey’s Journal? There’s a copy listed on our local NZ TradeMe (like ebay) at a high price of $77. Here’s a precis... Augustus Hervey was born into the wildly eccentric family of the Earls of Bristol, a lineage so different from ordinary folk that it was said there were three sexes: men, women and Herveys. Indeed, Augustus's father was the infamous cross-dressing courtier. A secret marriage and a notorious bigamy trial surrounded the young Augustus with scandal, and he was happy to escape to sea. But if the family thought the Navy a dull and conventional career, Augustus was soon to prove he had true Hervey blood in his veins. With powerful patronage, he rapidly achieved independent command, and in the closing years of the War of Austrian Succession he showed himself to be a surprisingly effective naval officer. It is at this point that his journal begins, but while it offers a valuable insight into the Navy of the time, it becomes more generally entertaining when Hervey turns to describing his peacetime campaigns among the ladies of various Mediterranean cities. When war broke out once again in 1756, Hervey was to participate in some important events, including the disastrous Battle of Port Mahon, 2002 Paperback 388 Pages Amanda Kerby NZ

HI Amanda, I wonder if you have any Maddys listed in your book the History of the City of Gloucester. During the early 17/1800's there were a number of my family living in this area as Gloucestershire covered a myriad of places then. Perhaps if there are you could let me know. Thank you. Sue in Suffolk

Hello Josephine Hope you are well? We stayed at the Bristol Royal at the beginning of September and looked at the statue then of Raja. I'm pleased to see that he is being remembered still. Best wishes, Lin In a message dated 30/09/2012 13:55:18 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-19773060

On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 16:18:06 +0100, Ian Sage <[email protected]> wrote: > Five Years of Colliery Life or the Adventures of a Collier Boy in a > Somersetshire Coal Mine by Jonathan Presto (1884) is one. And stretching > geography a little, I'd add > The River Wye - A Pictorial History ... Hi Ian and Listers, Thanks for the reference to latter book, Ian :-) I had a look in the index of The River Wye and found references to Bristol trade. Here is one of the references: Page 46 As well as providing Bristol with a number of ships, Chepstow also had considerable trade with this sea-faring city across the River Severn. In the last decade of the 18th century, there was a market boat of 70 tons burthen, which sailed from Chepstow to Bristol every Tuesday, returning on Friday. The fare for passengers was 6d. and all kinds of merchandise were carried on it. By 1824, visitors from Bristol, intent on seeing the beauties of the Lower Wye, were able to arrive at Chepstow by a steam packet named the Duke of Beaufort. Fares were 4s. in the cabin, 3s. in the fore-cabin and 2s. on the fore deck. During the 1840s, a passenger steamer called the Wye plied between Bristol and Chepstow. In 1847, Charles Frederick Cliffe observed: 'The voyage by steam occupies, at the utmost, two hours. The Wye iron steamer starts from Bristol every morning, except Sundays, and returns in the afternoon. In the summer, the passages are always arranged, when the tide will permit, so as to enable the tourist for the day to visit the most striking scenes on the Wye between Chepstow and Monmouth'. Josephine

On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 23:18:19 +0100, Amanda Kerby <[email protected]> wrote: > Talking of books, has anyone read Augustus Hervey’s Journal? Hi Amanda and Listers, Thanks for the reference to this, Amanda. It's another one I haven't heard of before. In the U.K. this book can be obtained far more cheaply, through AbeBooks, than the price you've mentioned. I was thinking of Ickworth, the seat of the Herveys, Earls of Bristol, earlier this week, because I saw a building that looked like Ickworth Rotunda on a television programme. There's information on the Herveys, who were Earls of Bristol and Marquesses of Bristol, on the following National Trust web page: http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/history/view-page/item419225/255235/ Josephine

On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 16:18:06 +0100, Ian Sage <[email protected]> wrote: > Five Years of Colliery Life or the Adventures of a Collier Boy in a > Somersetshire Coal Mine by Jonathan Presto (1884) is one. Hi Ian, I found this title intriguing so I did a search for it and came up with a reference to the book on this interesting web page, which has reference to coal pits in the B & S area: http://humanities.uwe.ac.uk/bhr/Main/coal/3_coal.htm Speedwell and Deep Pit at Kingswood are mentioned. My grandfather, a coal miner, worked there when he was young. Josephine

Thanks to Reg Harris and Ian Sage for telling us about their own prized books. Like Reg, I frequently refer to John Latimer's 'Annals of Bristol', but I didn't know about the other book he mentioned 'The Diary of William Dyer: Bristol in 1762', edited by Jonathan Barry, so that's one to look out for. The book Ian has mentioned looks intriguing. 'Five Years of Colliery Life or the Adventures of a Collier Boy in a Somersetshire Coal Mine' by Jonathan Presto (1884) appears to be quite rare so no wonder Ian mentions it as a prized book. Josephine

My great grandfather, Angel James Livingstone was in the navy, as well as being a merchant seaman. I found records of him on a vessel, the New York City, in 1881. This was owned by the Bristol City Line, and I was lucky enough to find the book, "Shipshape and Bristol Fashion", by John Hill, which has a history of the shipping business in Bristol. Great background information! It has been really interesting to read about all the interesting books that so many of you have - I didn't realise there was so much around. EIleen   Gourock, Scotland *********************

On 29/09/2012 16:05, RJ Harris wrote: > On 29/09/2012 14:57, Josephine Jeremiah wrote: >> On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 11:18:02 +0100, Amanda Kerby >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> My prized book is my Thomas Dudley Fosbrooke’s History of City of >>> Gloucester! > >> <snip> Does anyone else have a prized book or books connected with the B & S area? >> >> Josephine A book I have been pleased to read recently is "The Diary of William Dyer: Bristol in 1762" Edited by Jonathan Barry and published by The Bristol Record Society 2012. Reg Harris

Hi Josephine, >From memory, there were a few copies available when we were looking for it and Victoria tells me they were 180, 350 and 115 pounds a piece, the 115 pounds translating to $NZ325! Nice to have the real thing though, a prized possession. My prized book is my Thomas Dudley Fosbrooke’s History of City of Gloucester! Getting late here in NZ and clocks go forward tonight for Spring! Amanda From: Josephine Jeremiah Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 8:28 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [B&S] A History of Banking in Bristol ((1899) by Charles Henry Cave (was GILLAM Benjamin, partner Old Bank ...) On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 23:18:55 +0100, Amanda Kerby <[email protected]> wrote: > My friend Victoria, also here in Christchurch NZ, has a copy of ‘A > History of banking in Bristol’ book and sent me a scanned copy of the > page with the refs on it last night. Hi Amanda, I've just taken another look at my copy of 'A History of Banking in Bristol' ((1899) by Charles Henry Cave and found that it is one of a limited edition of 300 copies. I think that when I purchased my copy, a few years ago, it cost £60. Now I see that copies of this privately printed book, which are currently available, cost between £210 and £225. Josephine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Polly, I’ve always bought wills via Documents Online website which is TNA, and now changing over to Discovery soon. The will for Joseph Gillam isn’t listed there. I am presuming thats because they aren’t all done yet? or perhaps because the will i want isn’t PCC. If they aren’t available there I usually order the film from LDS and go to local library which unfortunately has been closed for a long time. Only other option is to try to find it on A2A and apply to order it there. or perhaps there’s another way? Amanda From: Polly Rubery Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 8:23 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [B&S] GILLAM Joseph, Bristol Wills, 1731 & 1791,(was GILLAM Benjamin, apprentice ...) Hi Amanda Easy! You can buy them online via TNA's website and the images will be available to you electronically immediately! Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amanda Kerby" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 12:27 AM Subject: Re: [B&S] GILLAM Joseph, Bristol Wills, 1731 & 1791,(was GILLAM Benjamin, apprentice ...) Great! Not sure how I will get a copy of them though! Amanda From: Josephine Jeremiah Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 11:12 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [B&S] GILLAM Joseph, Bristol Wills, 1731 & 1791, (was GILLAM Benjamin, apprentice ...) On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 23:59:30 +0100, Amanda Kerby <[email protected]> wrote: > In the Documents Online wills there is a 13 page one for Benjamin GILLAM > banker of Bristol and another for Cornelius GILLAM , but none for their > father Joseph. Once the wills arrive this week, they will hopefully > throw more light on some of the rest of the family members! Hi Amanda, There are references to two wills for men called Joseph GILLAM in 'A Calendar of Wills proved in the Consistory Court (City and Deanery of Bristol Division) of the Bishop of Bristol 1572-1792', which was edited by Edward Alexander Fry and published in 1897. One reference is for 1731 and the other is for 1791. Josephine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Amanda, You should be able to get a copy from the Bristol Records Office. >From Jenny Great! Not sure how I will get a copy of them though! Amanda Hi Amanda, There are references to two wills for men called Joseph GILLAM in 'A Calendar of Wills proved in the Consistory Court (City and Deanery of Bristol Division) of the Bishop of Bristol 1572-1792', which was edited by Edward Alexander Fry and published in 1897. One reference is for 1731 and the other is for 1791. Josephine

On 29/09/2012 14:57, Josephine Jeremiah wrote: > Does anyone else have a prized book or books connected with the B & S area? Five Years of Colliery Life or the Adventures of a Collier Boy in a Somersetshire Coal Mine by Jonathan Presto (1884) is one. And stretching geography a little, I'd add The River Wye - A Pictorial History by Josephine Jeremiah (2004) Ian

On 29/09/2012 14:57, Josephine Jeremiah wrote: > On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 11:18:02 +0100, Amanda Kerby > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> My prized book is my Thomas Dudley Fosbrooke’s History of City of >> Gloucester! > <snip> Does anyone else have a prized book or books connected with the B & S area? > > Josephine I frequently refer to "The Annals of Bristol" by John Latimer and published by J. W. Arrowsmith in Bristol c1908. There are five volumes covering from the early 1500s to 1900. They are fairly well indexed and quite useful. Reg Harris

On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 11:18:02 +0100, Amanda Kerby <[email protected]> wrote: > My prized book is my Thomas Dudley Fosbrooke’s History of City of > Gloucester! Hi Amanda and Listers, Your reference to this author, Amanda, reminded me that I have an old book by the Rev. T.D. Fosbroke entitled The Wye Tour or Gilpin on the Wye with Picturesque, Historical and Archaeological Additions, which was published in 1822. It's an original copy bound with the author's Companion to the Wye Tour (1821.) Your comment about a prized book has set me thinking about which of my Bristol books is my prized book? I think I would have to select books by two authors. These prized Bristol books, which I have read and read until they are falling apart, are William Barrett's The History and Antiquities of the City of Bristol (1789) and Samuel Seyer's Memoirs Historical and Topographical of Bristol and its Neighbourhood (1821, Vol.I, 1823 Vol.II) Does anyone else have a prized book or books connected with the B & S area? Josephine

I found a reference to Cornelius GILLAM on Google in the ‘Journals of the House of Commons, Volume 42’ which reveals that he was on their payroll in 26 January 1787. Unfortunately the page he appears on is landscape but presented vertically on my screen so am having to download the whole document to read it which is taking about 20 minutes! All I can see by reading head cocked sideways is: Port: Bristol Officer’s Names: Cornelius Gillam Employments: Cheque Clerk’s Clerk Payments by Principals to Deputies & Clerks: 40 pounds Other allowances five pounds, 16 and 6 Tax: none! Does anyone have a good way to work out what this pay might equate to now? What are clerks in House of Commons paid now I wonder? Amanda Kerby NZ

Great! Not sure how I will get a copy of them though! Amanda From: Josephine Jeremiah Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 11:12 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [B&S] GILLAM Joseph, Bristol Wills, 1731 & 1791, (was GILLAM Benjamin, apprentice ...) On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 23:59:30 +0100, Amanda Kerby <[email protected]> wrote: > In the Documents Online wills there is a 13 page one for Benjamin GILLAM > banker of Bristol and another for Cornelius GILLAM , but none for their > father Joseph. Once the wills arrive this week, they will hopefully > throw more light on some of the rest of the family members! Hi Amanda, There are references to two wills for men called Joseph GILLAM in 'A Calendar of Wills proved in the Consistory Court (City and Deanery of Bristol Division) of the Bishop of Bristol 1572-1792', which was edited by Edward Alexander Fry and published in 1897. One reference is for 1731 and the other is for 1791. Josephine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message