Hi Listers, A Western Daily Press article featuring the flag of the historic region of Wessex, which includes Bristol, Somerset and Gloucestershire, has caught my eye: The Wyvern can fly again for Wessex as red tape is cut http://www.thisisbath.co.uk/Wyvern-fly-Wessex-red-tape-cut/story-17050701-detail/story.html Josephine

Hi I'm trying to find out what became of Caroline Amelia CURTIS (nee ELLIOTT) widow of my gr-gr-grandfather's brother George James CURTIS. In 1901 she was living in Knowle, Bristol, but I have found a possible death for her in Q1 1908 in Marylebone. Could someone with an Ancestry sub please check the LMA records on there to see if a death/burial exists for this individual? She would've been about 46 in 1908. George was a car driver and died in the Bristol Lunatic Asylum in 1902. Thanks Mike

On the map below if you zoom in to Bristol city centre around Lewins Mead and the Horsefair you can see the modern area covered by St James in 1851. When you have zoomed in click on "Map" at the top of the page which changes the background to the modern street map. http://maps.familysearch.org/#search Have you tried Bristol-Know your place as that has pre OS maps including 1750 Rocque and 1828/1855/1874 Ashmead maps which all cover the St James area. The 1855 map is the easiest to read but I could not see a Goodwin Street. http://maps.bristol.gov.uk/knowyourplace/ Many Bristol streets were renamed in the 1890s possibly because there were several acts of parliament around them which meant local councils had to clearly name streets to avoid confusion. Some streets would have disappeared because of slum clearances and redevelopment and others disappeared in the 1940s for obvious reasons. This web page lists some lost streets since 1900 http://www.flickr.com/photos/brizzlebornandbred/2133485328/ Chris Jefferies Cheltenham Glos -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Amanda Kerby Sent: 08 October 2012 09:47 To: [email protected] Subject: [B&S] Godwin Street, Prior Hill, St James Bristol 1787 Any chance someone local could please tell me if Prior Hill still exists today? I have googled and got all my old Ordnance Survey maps out and still no luck finding it!!! Maybe it�s Goodwin Street now? I keep finding the Connecticut versions instead! Amanda NZ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 01:30:34 +0100, Therese Ives <[email protected]> wrote: > My gr. Grandfather William Brean, b 1845, Wrington, was the son of Thomas > Brean, bt. 1817, Winford. Thomas was the son of Richard Brean, bt. 1776, > Winford. Richard & wife, Hester Barnes had the following children > baptized at Winford's St. Mary & St. Peter Church: > Sarah, 1803; Wm., 1806; Ann, 1809; John, 1812; John, 1815; Thomas, > 1817; Hester, 1820. > The list of baptisms for Richard & Hester family was from LDS British > Film> #1526112, Items 25 & 26. (All but the first John Brean, 1812. > That I saw on FreeReg.) It was a very hard film to see. I wonder if > someone on this list would be able to look at that film to see if the > first John Brean bt. 1812 was really George. Hi Therese, I looked in the Winford baptisms, on the web site of Moyra and Steve Jones, and saw the baptism of John BREAN, son of Richard and Hester, on 8th. May 1812: http://www.origins.plus.com/winford/winfordbapt1.htm Josephine

Hi List If you'd like to see some recent views of Arnos Vale, try http://www.kilgore.org.uk/arnos/ They are Gigapans, which are high-resolution panoramic images. I (and my ancient computer) find them easier to view by clicking on the "original gigapan" links. For example http://www.gigapan.com/gigapans/112435/ Use the zoom to look at the images in great detail. If you 'sign up' you can take snapshots of things you find interesting or unusual and leave comments. It's very easy to do and costs nothing. There is also a fantastic view from the top of Cabot Tower http://www.gigapan.com/gigapans/94765 Sarah

Hi Listers, This BBC article may be of interest to list members: Arnos Vale Cemetery memories wanted for oral history http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-19862902 Josephine

thanks Karen for the link. I will check it out and hopefully it will lead to answers. On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 8:01 AM, <[email protected]>wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. LANGTON chancery references. Not on NA site. Anyone know how > I can access these? (joel langton) > 2. Re: LANGTON chancery references. Not on NA site. Anyone know > how I can access these? (Karen Palandri) > 3. Re: LANGTON chancery references. Not on NA site. Anyone know > how I can access these? (Amanda Kerby) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 13:17:36 +0100 > From: joel langton <[email protected]> > Subject: [B&S] LANGTON chancery references. Not on NA site. Anyone > know how I can access these? > To: "Bristol & Somerset List" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <CAAd9we5276j4N+34U=kqWAGnT8DA0D2vdyWUWE3DRfrnM= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi everyone, > > I continued my search for information on the early Bristol Langtons and I > found a couple of new clues. > > You might remember i mentioned a Captain Langton who was supposed to have a > monument at Mary Redcliffe. Well, I found out some more about him. He was > James Langton and he fought against the Spanish Armada in 1688, as captain > of the Unicorn, of Bristol. He later married Margery Hobbes (widow of > Nicholas Hobbes) sometime between 1600 and 1603. The archives have several > Star Chamber litigation documents between langtons and langtons and hobbes, > but the quotes I got for copies were expensive. Maybe because of the type > of records? > > I also found two chancery references, but they dont seem to be available on > the National Archives site: > Plantif: Margaret Gower, widow. Defendant: James Langton. Claim by lease. A > capital messuage or farm and lands called Knoll in the parish of > Bedminster, the inheritance of James Clifford esq. who demised the same to > Edward Gower. (SOURCE: Calendars of the Proceedings in Chancery, in the > Reign of Queen Elizabeth, Volume 1. Page 389) > > Plantif: Francis Mychill. Defendant: James Langton and Margery his wife. To > establish plantiff's title to a reversion. Copyholds in East Brent, holden > of the manor of East Brent, to which plantiff, being entitles in reversion > had agreed to surrender the same to Nicholas Hobbes deceased, the former > husband of the defendant Margery, as a security for money lent. (SOURCE: > Calendars of the Proceedings in Chancery, in the Reign of Queen Elizabeth, > Volume 2. Page 218.) > > Does anyone know how I can access these documents? > > Thanks > Joel > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 17:20:58 +0200 > From: Karen Palandri <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [B&S] LANGTON chancery references. Not on NA site. Anyone > know how I can access these? > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hello Joel, > > I googled and found that family search has a research guide in their Wiki: > https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/England_Chancery_Court_Records > perhaps this will help you to locate what you're looking for. > Karen > > (SOURCE: > Calendars of the Proceedings in Chancery, in the Reign of Queen Elizabeth, > Volume 2. Page 218.) > > Does anyone know how I can access these documents? > > Thanks > Joel > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 10:02:34 +1300 > From: "Amanda Kerby" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [B&S] LANGTON chancery references. Not on NA site. Anyone > know how I can access these? > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Good question Joel and very useful link Karen. > > I have a couple of such documents in Chancery in time of Charles 1 which i > have put off even attempting to get because it seemed so complicated. > Reading that web link illustrates just how many subsets of classifications > there are, its quite mind boggling! > Someday I might just buy a plane ticket! > Amanda > From: Karen Palandri > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 4:20 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [B&S] LANGTON chancery references. Not on NA site. Anyone > know how I can access these? > > Hello Joel, > > I googled and found that family search has a research guide in their Wiki: > https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/England_Chancery_Court_Records > perhaps this will help you to locate what you're looking for. > Karen > > (SOURCE: > Calendars of the Proceedings in Chancery, in the Reign of Queen Elizabeth, > Volume 2. Page 218.) > > Does anyone know how I can access these documents? > > Thanks > Joel > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET mailing list, send an email > to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET Digest, Vol 7, Issue 270 > **************************************************** >

Hello- My gr. Grandfather William Brean, b 1845, Wrington, was the son of Thomas Brean, bt. 1817, Winford. Thomas was the son of Richard Brean, bt. 1776, Winford. Richard & wife, Hester Barnes had the following children baptized at Winford's St. Mary & St. Peter Church: Sarah, 1803; Wm., 1806; Ann, 1809; John, 1812; John, 1815; Thomas, 1817; Hester, 1820. Later I found (with help of generous listers) a George Brean, b. 1812, Winford. His marriage record shows his father as Richard Brean. George married Ann Stokes, in 1842, Winford. George was buried 1889, Brislington. St. Luke's, age 77. Ann-same place, 1882, age 68. Residence in census 1851 was Long Ashton, Backwell; 1861-Oaken Hill Cottage, Brislington; 1881- N K Cottage, Brislington. The list of baptisms for Richard & Hester family was from LDS British Film #1526112, Items 25 & 26. (All but the first John Brean, 1812. That I saw on FreeReg.) It was a very hard film to see. I wonder if someone on this list would be able to look at that film to see if the first John Brean bt. 1812 was really George. Thanks for any help. Therese

Good question Joel and very useful link Karen. I have a couple of such documents in Chancery in time of Charles 1 which i have put off even attempting to get because it seemed so complicated. Reading that web link illustrates just how many subsets of classifications there are, its quite mind boggling! Someday I might just buy a plane ticket! Amanda From: Karen Palandri Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 4:20 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [B&S] LANGTON chancery references. Not on NA site. Anyone know how I can access these? Hello Joel, I googled and found that family search has a research guide in their Wiki: https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/England_Chancery_Court_Records perhaps this will help you to locate what you're looking for. Karen (SOURCE: Calendars of the Proceedings in Chancery, in the Reign of Queen Elizabeth, Volume 2. Page 218.) Does anyone know how I can access these documents? Thanks Joel ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Joel, I googled and found that family search has a research guide in their Wiki: https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/England_Chancery_Court_Records perhaps this will help you to locate what you're looking for. Karen (SOURCE: Calendars of the Proceedings in Chancery, in the Reign of Queen Elizabeth, Volume 2. Page 218.) Does anyone know how I can access these documents? Thanks Joel

Hi everyone, I continued my search for information on the early Bristol Langtons and I found a couple of new clues. You might remember i mentioned a Captain Langton who was supposed to have a monument at Mary Redcliffe. Well, I found out some more about him. He was James Langton and he fought against the Spanish Armada in 1688, as captain of the Unicorn, of Bristol. He later married Margery Hobbes (widow of Nicholas Hobbes) sometime between 1600 and 1603. The archives have several Star Chamber litigation documents between langtons and langtons and hobbes, but the quotes I got for copies were expensive. Maybe because of the type of records? I also found two chancery references, but they dont seem to be available on the National Archives site: Plantif: Margaret Gower, widow. Defendant: James Langton. Claim by lease. A capital messuage or farm and lands called Knoll in the parish of Bedminster, the inheritance of James Clifford esq. who demised the same to Edward Gower. (SOURCE: Calendars of the Proceedings in Chancery, in the Reign of Queen Elizabeth, Volume 1. Page 389) Plantif: Francis Mychill. Defendant: James Langton and Margery his wife. To establish plantiff's title to a reversion. Copyholds in East Brent, holden of the manor of East Brent, to which plantiff, being entitles in reversion had agreed to surrender the same to Nicholas Hobbes deceased, the former husband of the defendant Margery, as a security for money lent. (SOURCE: Calendars of the Proceedings in Chancery, in the Reign of Queen Elizabeth, Volume 2. Page 218.) Does anyone know how I can access these documents? Thanks Joel

Amanda, I have several wills where the stipulation is made that the money left to the daughters is for their own use and not to be taken over by the husband, so perhaps it was commoner than we think! Jeanette > Following previous messages re the GILLAM family, I have been transcribing > the will of Cornelius GILLAM made in 1797 and proved by PCC in 1801. > I thought i’d mention key people, properties and a few other details > mentioned in the will in case any of you are related to the mentioned > families. > > Cornelius GILLAM of City of Bristol, gentleman.... > to my dearly beloved wife Elizabeth GILLAM fifty eight pounds per annum > annuities (from investment in bank of England) > if she should die the same to Joseph MAURICE son in law....to be used for > the education of my children Sophia and Louisa... > also the interests produce and improvements of all my freehold messuages > gardens and lands ...being in the parish of St John the Baptist in the > Borough of Devizes... > if both daughters should die before reaching 21 years ..pass to my sister > Susanna GILLAM. > To my trustee Joseph MAURICE all my five leasehold messuages.....being in > Lamb St in the parish of St Augustine in the City of Bristol and now in > the > tenure or occupation of > John WARREN, Thomas FOX, John BATTLE, John ACKLAND and William BIGWOOD and > which I hold under lease from Samuel WORRALL Esq... > instructions to sell the leasehold estate and give my sister Susanna > GILLAM > the sum of 406 pounds and 8 shillings with interest due... > also to Elizabeth GILLAM freehold house & garden in Somerset Street, > parish > of St Paul, Bristol.. > to my sister in law Sarah COPE (sister of my dear wife)... 16 pounds > annual > rent, tax free > > He also made provision that no husband of either daughter could take over > the wealth he had left his daughters (which I thought was quite modern > thinking!) > > I suspect 58 pounds per annum was extremely wealthy in that day and age, > but > I wonder why he left his sister such a strange amount? Perhaps he owed > her. > This will was about 4 pages long. I also have the will for Benjamin GILLAM > (Cornelius’ brother) which spans 13 pages and is much poorer condition to > read. > > Amanda Kerby > NZ > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Following previous messages re the GILLAM family, I have been transcribing the will of Cornelius GILLAM made in 1797 and proved by PCC in 1801. I thought i’d mention key people, properties and a few other details mentioned in the will in case any of you are related to the mentioned families. Cornelius GILLAM of City of Bristol, gentleman.... to my dearly beloved wife Elizabeth GILLAM fifty eight pounds per annum annuities (from investment in bank of England) if she should die the same to Joseph MAURICE son in law....to be used for the education of my children Sophia and Louisa... also the interests produce and improvements of all my freehold messuages gardens and lands ...being in the parish of St John the Baptist in the Borough of Devizes... if both daughters should die before reaching 21 years ..pass to my sister Susanna GILLAM. To my trustee Joseph MAURICE all my five leasehold messuages.....being in Lamb St in the parish of St Augustine in the City of Bristol and now in the tenure or occupation of John WARREN, Thomas FOX, John BATTLE, John ACKLAND and William BIGWOOD and which I hold under lease from Samuel WORRALL Esq... instructions to sell the leasehold estate and give my sister Susanna GILLAM the sum of 406 pounds and 8 shillings with interest due... also to Elizabeth GILLAM freehold house & garden in Somerset Street, parish of St Paul, Bristol.. to my sister in law Sarah COPE (sister of my dear wife)... 16 pounds annual rent, tax free He also made provision that no husband of either daughter could take over the wealth he had left his daughters (which I thought was quite modern thinking!) I suspect 58 pounds per annum was extremely wealthy in that day and age, but I wonder why he left his sister such a strange amount? Perhaps he owed her. This will was about 4 pages long. I also have the will for Benjamin GILLAM (Cornelius’ brother) which spans 13 pages and is much poorer condition to read. Amanda Kerby NZ

Hi All, Does anyone know whether there exists an Absent Voters List for Bristol around 1914 - 1918 ? There was a discussion about this some 5 years ago on a genealogy mailing board that indicated the only thing found was an annotation on the electoral role indicating that a person was absent due to military service, but gave no further details. Absent Voters Lists in other parts of the country included the military service number of the person concerned, and hence was much more useful to family historians. Perhaps someone has found out more in the intervening period. I'm looking for details of my grandfather, George John GOULD, who I understand was in the Royal Flying Corp in WW1. No luck so far. Best wishes, Mike Gould Leicestershire

This is a great site. We in Tasmania use it all of the time. I think it goes up to 1954 in Tasmania not sure about any other states. News from around the world can be found on it as well. Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:01 PM Subject: [B&S] Transportees from Gloucestershire to Australia, 1783-1842 edited by Irene Wyatt (1988) > Hi Listers, > > Yesterday Reg mentioned a book about Gloucestershire Transportees, which I > thought sounded interesting. > > I've found some information about the book on The National Library of > Australia Trove web site: > > http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/19287071?versionId=22660419 > > There are also a handful of copies to purchase in the U.K. at the moment. > > Josephine > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On Tue, 02 Oct 2012 19:53:15 +0100, Darryl Gwynne <[email protected]> wrote: > I have a terrific old book on Bristol published about 1904. It is by > George Frederick Stone BRISTOL AS IT WAS AND AS IT IS. A record of 50 > years progress. It reprinted articles from the Bristol Evening News. > There are lovely illustrations of old Bristol by S.J. Loxton. Hi Darryl and Listers, Thanks for your reference to this one, Darryl. I agree that this is a terrific old book. I ought to dip into it more often rather than just use it for reference. I hadn't realized that there was an earlier edition than my 1909 edition of this book, but looking at the title page I see that it says: Reprinted, with additions, from the 'Bristol Evening News', 1908-1909. The book is packed with S.J. Loxton's drawings of Bristol and, at the back of my 1909 edition, there are 24 pages of advertisements. At the moment, copies of the 1909 edition of this fascinating book can be bought for between £80 and £150 in the U.K. I bought my copy for £50, so I think I had a bargain. Josephine

Yes and of course this led to a strange case of fiction into fact when the commercial radio in Bristol which was established a few years later decided what better name than "Radio West" which the BBC had already widely advertised for them! At the time it was of course a fictional radio station! Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 1:43 PM Subject: [B&S] Two novels about Shoestring by Paul Ableman (was When Bristol rebuilds ...) On Tue, 02 Oct 2012 09:52:14 +0100, Polly Rubery <[email protected]> wrote: > I have recently bought a DVD of the first series of "Shoestring" which > was filmed in 1979 and whichI loved to watch at the time because it was > filmed in Bristol (and area). Brought back some happymemories! Hi Polly and Listers, There are two novels about Shoestring by Paul Ableman. The first, published in 1979, is called Shoestring. The cover includes the words The Private Eye who became the Private Ear for Radio West. The second is Shoestring's Finest Hour, which was published in 1980. Josephine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a terrific old book on Bristol published about 1904. It is by George Frederick Stone BRISTOL AS IT WAS AND AS IT IS. A record of 50 years progress. It reprinted articles from the Bristol Evening News. There are lovely illustrations of old Bristol by S.J. Loxton. Darryl ------------------------------------------------- Darryl Gwynne Glen Williams Canada -------------------------------------------------- On 2012-10-01, at 10:05 AM, Karen Francis <[email protected]> wrote: > I have a book called 'English City. The Growth and the Future of Bristol' which was published in 1945 by J S Fry & Sons. What makes it of particular interest, I think, is that in addition to a potted history the book outlines the plans for post-war Bristol's development, looking at what was being done elsewhere in Europe and the USA. I don't know Bristol that well and so can't say how much, if any, of those plans came to fruition. It it's interesting anyway. > Karen > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Listers, Yesterday Reg mentioned a book about Gloucestershire Transportees, which I thought sounded interesting. I've found some information about the book on The National Library of Australia Trove web site: http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/19287071?versionId=22660419 There are also a handful of copies to purchase in the U.K. at the moment. Josephine

On Tue, 02 Oct 2012 09:52:14 +0100, Polly Rubery <[email protected]> wrote: > I have recently bought a DVD of the first series of "Shoestring" which > was filmed in 1979 and whichI loved to watch at the time because it was > filmed in Bristol (and area). Brought back some happymemories! Hi Polly and Listers, There are two novels about Shoestring by Paul Ableman. The first, published in 1979, is called Shoestring. The cover includes the words The Private Eye who became the Private Ear for Radio West. The second is Shoestring's Finest Hour, which was published in 1980. Josephine