Hi List We have a Family History Expo on here in Christchurch this weekend and a special speaker on DNA studies whom I’m looking forward to hearing. Has anyone out there had any good experiences with DNA testing for family history research? I’m going to begin looking into who is currently offering testing and at what cost, for what sort of results, before deciding where to spend my money! it would be great to hear from anyone who has tried it and whether the results justify the cost? I remember reading in a magazine that Oxford University offer a test. I know Ancestry do and there seem to be wide variation in pricing for the service. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts. Cheers Amanda

Thanks Josephine, I shall add it to the list of addresses to look up! I have seen it a few times and wondered how the name came about. I have yet to find the next generation before Benjamin, Cornelius and Joseph GILLAM – not sure even if i am even going to try to find them, as much as i want to!!!! Only because they are side-tracking me from other families I really should be concentrating on! But it’s always interesting finding new families in Bristol, especially rich ones because they left so many more records behind than anyone else. Amanda From: Josephine Jeremiah Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 4:08 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [B&S] Gillam's Court, St. James's Street, Bristol (GILLAM family of Bristol) On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 13:17:40 +0100, Amanda Kerby <[email protected]> wrote: > I am wondering if there is anyone who has studied this family, > particularly Benjamin Gillam, banker > of Bristol who died after a short > illness in 1789 and two others whom I suspect might have been his > > brothers; Joseph and Cornelius. Hi Amanda, Browsing through Sketchley's Bristol Directory of 1775, I came upon an address which may be of interest to you. A widow with the surname DALE was at 3, Gillam's-court, St. James's-street. Perhaps the name of this court was connected with the GILLAM family whom you are researching. Josephine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Miaow :-) I have no idea if I'm a Viking or a Khoekhoe, nor am I interested particularly. I agree with Roy that DNA testing, being so far in its infancy, is perhaps taking a step too far in trying to decide which tribe we may have come from &c. And who cares? Some people do I guess but not me. I prefer to rely on my own, methodical research (all adhering to Elizabeth Shown Mills' standards of proof, of course) to take me back generation by generation. However, on the flip side of this ... I have been, in my day, a molecular biologist. I understand how DNA mutates at certain 'weak spots' and that this phenomenon can be used to suggest degrees of relatedness between individuals. So it was with my cousin's sample. His sequence matched (bar 2 bases out of 64) that of three other males, all named Ridout too. I have communicated with these men and find, not surprisingly, that they are all distantly related to each other - and (I am 99.9%) to me. The difference in the individual yDNA sequences suggest, with a certain mathematical probability, how far back our common ancestor was likely to have been living. This gave me a starting point, a point at which to seek an overlap between my research and that of the others. So ... DNA analysis is a tool, like any other genealogical tool. It is not PROOF of anything and nor should it be used as such. As evidence it is very low down in the quality stakes in my opinion but perhaps it has a ! place in at least hinting where one should start when trying to place one's tree in the 'big picture'. Regards, Karen (one completely unflustered pigeon :-)

I suspect I am about to make myself unpopular in some quarters, but genealogy is nothing if not controversial now and then. Debate is, after all, the spice of life and of our great hobby. I am afraid I find myself unable to join in with what seems to be the general euphoria about DNA testing. I am, to put it bluntly, yet to be convinced that it is anything other than just another adjunct of genealogy and family history, moreover one that is largely untested, untried and unproven. We are talking about a supposed "science" (if that is the correct term) here that is very much in its infancy and it is my experience that new technologies tend to attract charlatans out to make a fast buck out of gullible beginners! I feel rather the same about DNA testing as I do about those shysters I call "bucket shop genealogists", i.e. those websites and little stalls you see in shopping malls that purport to sell you your "family coat of arms" or a framed "history of your surname", which those of us who have been in this business a very long time know to be utter rubbish. What evidence of any substantive consequence is there that DNA testing can actually prove anything at all? We only have the word of those who are offering it and who, therefore, have a deep vested interest in the whole subject, i.e. in making money out of it. So DNA testing might prove that your ancestor was a Stone Age caveman 20,000 years ago? I seem to recall there was a story a few years back to this effect, i.e. that a teacher in the West Country had been linked by DNA to some pre-historic man whose bones were found in a cave. So what? What does this prove? Does it fill in all the gaps and links in between? Of course it doesn't! Speaking as an "old-timer", a family historian for some 40 years and today a professional genealogist, I am interested only in what can be proven by the time-honoured, tried and tested, old-fashioned methods of documentation and published evidence, backed up by my own researches. Frankly, I do not wish to have my supposed ancestry decided by test tube experiments in a laboratory on my DNA. I prefer my own researches in the archives and my own interpretation of what those findings show. I expect some bright spark in a lab will tell me that as a Yorkshireman from way back I have Viking blood. Well, I think I knew that already. My own researches tell me, backed up by documentary evidence, that I am a (very) distant cousin of Sir Ernest Shackleton, the great Antarctic explorer. Though he was born in Ireland, we both have Shackleton ancestry from Yorkshire and we both descend from a marriage at Keighley in 1581 in Elizabeth times. Frankly, I am far, far, far more interested in this than in knowing via DNA testing that I descend from unknown Vikings in Scandinavia or, even farther back, from a Hottentot tribe in Africa several thousand years ago. I have yet to be convinced of what people get out of DNA testing, other than pure speculation. Has it not occurred also to some of you that the whole thing can be totally thrown by what is known as "non-paternity " issues, i.e. illegitimacy? I rest my case and now await the flying brickbats. Talk about putting a cat amongst the pigeons, Roy.....! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

On Tue, 09 Oct 2012 15:33:55 +0100, Chris Jefferies <[email protected]> wrote: > These pre OS old maps like the one on Josephine's web site are very > confusing until you realise that north is not up as on modern maps. > Somerset Street runs almost NE (40 deg) but on this map it goes about > ESE (110 deg) so is 70 Degout so up is around WNW. Hi Chris and Listers, Strangely enough, it's never occurred to me that north is not up on these old maps. I suppose it must be because I've been familiar with the layout of Bristol on old maps from my childhood, when I purchased a facsimile of Millerd's Plan of Bristol of 1673 from Bristol Museum for 2s.6d. Millerd's Plan of Bristol of 1673 is shown on the following web page along with William Smith's view of Bristol of 1568 and Hofnagle's map of Brightstowe of 1581: http://humanities.uwe.ac.uk/bhr/Main/intro/2_methods.htm I've never found old maps like these confusing, but that's because, from a young age, the names of a number of the streets etc., on such maps, were known to me and I could see the locations in my mind's eye. Josephine

Greetings Genetic genealogy is excellent for tracing your deep ancestry. I now know that I am an Angle or a Saxon with a possible Gothic ancestry. It is an evolving situation which makes the hobby particularly interesting. It can also reveal family connections and provide clues to get around those inevitable brick walls that arise with paper family histories. I began my involvement with genetic genealogy in 2006 with the Genographic Project. This is a not-for-profit project the details of which can be viewed at: https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/ It has just commenced a new stage with a new test which I would regard as excellent value for anyone who has not undergone any DNA testing to date. After you have received the results, you can, if you wish, transfer your results to FTDNA and add further tests depending upon what it is you seek. I hasten to add that I have no financial connections with the Genographic Project. I hope that this helps. Regards John Message: 5 Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 12:08:02 +0100 From: Karen Francis <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [B&S] DNA testing for Family History To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Cc: "<[email protected]>" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi I have no pecuniary interest in this company, before someone slaps my wrist, but I submitted (a male cousin's) sample to FamilyTreeDNA. It's a US company and probably the biggest there is. I received three close matches with distant family members and assured myself of my family's place within a larger clan. The process was very simple, communication good and cost very reasonable. Being the biggest DNA company means that tens if thousands of people are 'on their books' such that you have a good chance of making connections. Also one receives a HUGE amount of very in depth information about the probable origins of one's lineage. You can test paternal (y)DNA, maternal (mt)DNA or probably autosomal samples. Google them and see for yourself. In a nutshell, this was a worthy investment for me. Good luck! Regards, Karen Sent from my iPhone On 9 Oct 2012, at 11:02, "Amanda Kerby" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi List > > We have a Family History Expo on here in Christchurch this weekend and a special speaker on DNA studies whom I?m looking forward to hearing. > Has anyone out there had any good experiences with DNA testing for family history research? > I?m going to begin looking into who is currently offering testing and at what cost, for what sort of results, before deciding where to spend my money! > it would be great to hear from anyone who has tried it and whether the results justify the cost? > > I remember reading in a magazine that Oxford University offer a test. I know Ancestry do and there seem to be wide variation in pricing for the service. > Looking forward to hearing your thoughts. > > Cheers > Amanda

Hi No, it's not like that at all. You can CHOOSE to put your sequence onto a database, which is separate from the main site. This can be identified by a number if you wish. If there are matches you will receive an email and can contact the other person if you wish. You only get matches with people who have the same surname (for male DNA) and who are thus related. I didn't know any of the three people but all are part of my tree. As I said, however, you don't HAVE to do this bit at all - you can just receive your own results with breakdown of likely ancestral beginnings &c. Sent from my iPhone On 9 Oct 2012, at 20:10, "Amanda Kerby" <[email protected]> wrote: > thanks Karen, > > .....close matches with distant family members ....did you know those people before you did the test? They don’t offer up connections with other people do they? Would be huge privacy issues. I’d be happy just to confirm areas of origin so that I know I am looking in the right place, but then also would expect it to confirm what I already know. I guess we would all hope for some new lead or some new piece of information which might lead our researches in another direction. A surprise finding would be good! > Amanda > > > From: Karen Francis > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 12:08 AM > To: [email protected] > Cc: mailto:[email protected] > Subject: Re: [B&S] DNA testing for Family History > > Hi > > I have no pecuniary interest in this company, before someone slaps my wrist, but I submitted (a male cousin's) sample to FamilyTreeDNA. It's a US company and probably the biggest there is. I received three close matches with distant family members and assured myself of my family's place within a larger clan. The process was very simple, communication good and cost very reasonable. Being the biggest DNA company means that tens if thousands of people are 'on their books' such that you have a good chance of making connections. Also one receives a HUGE amount of very in depth information about the probable origins of one's lineage. You can test paternal (y)DNA, maternal (mt)DNA or probably autosomal samples. Google them and see for yourself. In a nutshell, this was a worthy investment for me. Good luck! > Regards, Karen > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 9 Oct 2012, at 11:02, "Amanda Kerby" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi List >> >> We have a Family History Expo on here in Christchurch this weekend and a special speaker on DNA studies whom I’m looking forward to hearing. >> Has anyone out there had any good experiences with DNA testing for family history research? >> I’m going to begin looking into who is currently offering testing and at what cost, for what sort of results, before deciding where to spend my money! >> it would be great to hear from anyone who has tried it and whether the results justify the cost? >> >> I remember reading in a magazine that Oxford University offer a test. I know Ancestry do and there seem to be wide variation in pricing for the service. >> Looking forward to hearing your thoughts. >> >> Cheers >> Amanda >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for reminding me of the Moyra & Steve Jones site! I won't lose it this time since I've now put it in my "Favorites" folder. Their site does not list burials from Winford . And Free Reg does not have a burial to fit this case. So, I will have to be content with things as they are. Many thanks for your interest, Josephine. Therese -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Josephine Jeremiah Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 3:03 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [B&S] BREAN, Winford On Tue, 09 Oct 2012 04:37:57 +0100, Therese Ives <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you, Josephine. I saw that same information on the FreeReg. Hi Therese, You'd mentioned in your initial e-mail that you had found the 1812 baptism of John BREAN on FreeReg, so that's why I checked another source for Winford baptisms on the web site of Moyra and Steve Jones: http://www.origins.plus.com/winford/winfordbapt1.htm I don't know if the FreeReg Winford baptisms were from the same source, but if not then there are two transcriptions of the same information that it was John BREAN who was baptized in 1812 at Winford, Somerset. > I am so confused by the two John Brean's born 3 yrs. apart, having the > same father and mother. Ihave seen the John Brean, b 1815, Winford, > on census of 1881 in Bedminster, married to a MaryAnn. As there are trancriptions for 1812 and 1815 baptisms for John BREAN, son of Richard and Hester, this suggests that the John who was baptized in 1812 died and his name was given to another son. To confirm this you would have to find the burial of a John BREAN, between 1812 and 1815, in the locality. Josephine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

These pre OS old maps like the one on Josephine's web site are very confusing until you realise that north is not up as on modern maps. Somerset Street runs almost NE (40 deg) but on this map it goes about ESE (110 deg) so is 70 Deg out so up is around WNW. The 1750 Rocque map is the same so is probably drawn by the same person. The Ashmead maps also are also not drawn with north up but are only 20 deg out so up is around NNW. This is why the map edges and folds on the older maps on Know Your Place are at an angle to the later OS maps. Chris Jefferies Cheltenham Glos -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Josephine Jeremiah Sent: 08 October 2012 20:22 To: [email protected] Subject: [B&S] Map of St. Michaels Hill, King's Down and the Gallows, 1789 (Godwin Street, Prior Hill, St James Bristol 1787) On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 09:47:25 +0100, Amanda Kerby <[email protected]> wrote: > Any chance someone local could please tell me if Prior Hill still > exists today? I have googled and got all my old Ordnance Survey maps > out and still no luck finding it!!! On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 19:00:18 +0100, Chris Jefferies <[email protected]> wrote: > On the 1880 map the words "Priors Hill Fort (Site of)"appear at the > junction of Fremantle St and Kingsdown Parade. > the street is only partly built on the 1855 map and on the 1828 map > the area is green fieldscalled Nine Tree Hill so cannot be Godwin St > in 1787. The streets just south of Fremantle St suchas Somerset St or > Dove St(was Dove Cote Lane) are in St James Out Parish and are on the > 1750 map. Hi Amanda, If you have a look at the 1789 map of St. Michaels Hill, King's Down and the Gallows, Bristol, which is on my web site http://www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com/bristolbits/bristol/kingsdown.htm you will see some of the streets, which Chris has mentioned. On this map the street which later became Dove Street is spelt Dove Coat Lane and Somerset Street is along the fold in the map. The map is part of a bigger map from The History and Antiquities of the City of Bristol by William Barrett (1789). Josephine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 16:08:21 +0100, Josephine Jeremiah <[email protected]> wrote: > Browsing through Sketchley's Bristol Directory of 1775, I came upon an > address which may be of interest to you. > A widow with the surname DALE was at 3, Gillam's-court, St. > James's-street. On Tue, 09 Oct 2012 11:01:10 +0100, Amanda Kerby <[email protected]> wrote: > I shall add it to the list of addresses to look up! > I have seen it a few times and wondered how the name came about. Hi Amanda and Listers, I expect you have already seen the page about cholera in Bristol with reference to Gillam's-court, Amanda. Some listers may be interested in information about cholera in St. Paul, St. James, St. Augustine, Clifton, Ashley, St. George, St. Philip & St. Jacob, Westbury and Stapleton in the mid 19th century. This information can be found here: http://pds.lib.harvard.edu/pds/view/8278007?n=392 Josephine

The green diamonds are part of the HER (Historic environment layer) which you can turn off by removing the tick on "Community layer" on the left or by removing the tick under "HER layer" in the box on right of the map. HER layer stores the location of such things as Listed buildings, statues, monuments etc. The Hartley layer contains the location where various old photos were taken and similarly the Loxton layer the location of various old drawings were made. I don't think there is any way of downloading apart from doing a screen print. The detailed 2012 OS map data is very valuable so OS don't want to give people free access to print a map instead of buying the map. Chris Jefferies Cheltenham Glos -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Amanda Kerby Sent: 09 October 2012 11:20 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [B&S] Godwin Street, Prior Hill, St James Bristol 1787 Thanks Josephine and Chris for all the useful map links. I loved that 1750 Rocque map! So much tiny hand drawn detail, little trees and you can zoom in to see individually named buildings. The nonly thing is how to ged rid of the little green diamonds which keep popping up everywhere!! Wow, gotta figure a way of downloading it! It cant be as easy as right click save it surely. The diagramatic map of Prior Hill Fort was helpful too Josephine. They are all showing the right sort of area where Benjamin Gillam lived so at least if we cant find Godwin St itself we know it was around Freemantle somewhere. Thanks for your help everyone. Amanda From: Chris Jefferies Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 7:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [B&S] Godwin Street, Prior Hill, St James Bristol 1787 On the 1880 map the words "Priors Hill Fort (Site of)"appear at the junction of Fremantle St and Kingsdown Parade. If you do an address search for 13 Fremantle Rd on "Know Your Place" that will take you straight there. However the street is only partly built on the 1855 map and on the 1828 map the area is green fields called Nine Tree Hill so cannot be Godwin St in 1787. The streets just south of Fremantle St such as Somerset St or Dove St(was Dove Cote Lane) are in St James Out Parish and are on the 1750 map. Chris Jefferies Cheltenham Glos -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Josephine Jeremiah Sent: 08 October 2012 16:45 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [B&S] Godwin Street, Prior Hill, St James Bristol 1787 On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 09:47:25 +0100, Amanda Kerby <[email protected]> wrote: > Any chance someone local could please tell me if Prior Hill still > exists today? I have googled and got all my old Ordnance Survey maps > out and still no luck finding it!!! Hi Amanda, Prior's Hill Fort (Fremantle Square) in Bristol is mentioned on the following web page: http://www.fortified-places.com/bristol.html A map showing the position of Prior's Hill Fort in Bristol is here: http://www.fortified-places.com/bristol_image6.gif The position of Prior's Hill Fort on a modern map is shown here: http://www.pastscape.org.uk/maps.aspx?a=0&hob_id=198333 Possibly Godwin Street was in this location. Josephine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers, The Bristol Festival of Literature runs from 13th-21st October. There's an article in The Bristol Post featuring the festival. Festival's about giving voice to city's writers http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Festival-s-giving-voice-city-s-writers/story-17054776-detail/story.html A literary walk on Saturday 13th October looks interesting: Long John Silver Trail http://unputdownable.org/news-updates/long-john-silver-trail-sat-13 Josephine

Hi I have no pecuniary interest in this company, before someone slaps my wrist, but I submitted (a male cousin's) sample to FamilyTreeDNA. It's a US company and probably the biggest there is. I received three close matches with distant family members and assured myself of my family's place within a larger clan. The process was very simple, communication good and cost very reasonable. Being the biggest DNA company means that tens if thousands of people are 'on their books' such that you have a good chance of making connections. Also one receives a HUGE amount of very in depth information about the probable origins of one's lineage. You can test paternal (y)DNA, maternal (mt)DNA or probably autosomal samples. Google them and see for yourself. In a nutshell, this was a worthy investment for me. Good luck! Regards, Karen Sent from my iPhone On 9 Oct 2012, at 11:02, "Amanda Kerby" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi List > > We have a Family History Expo on here in Christchurch this weekend and a special speaker on DNA studies whom I’m looking forward to hearing. > Has anyone out there had any good experiences with DNA testing for family history research? > I’m going to begin looking into who is currently offering testing and at what cost, for what sort of results, before deciding where to spend my money! > it would be great to hear from anyone who has tried it and whether the results justify the cost? > > I remember reading in a magazine that Oxford University offer a test. I know Ancestry do and there seem to be wide variation in pricing for the service. > Looking forward to hearing your thoughts. > > Cheers > Amanda > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Tue, 09 Oct 2012 04:37:57 +0100, Therese Ives <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you, Josephine. I saw that same information on the FreeReg. Hi Therese, You'd mentioned in your initial e-mail that you had found the 1812 baptism of John BREAN on FreeReg, so that's why I checked another source for Winford baptisms on the web site of Moyra and Steve Jones: http://www.origins.plus.com/winford/winfordbapt1.htm I don't know if the FreeReg Winford baptisms were from the same source, but if not then there are two transcriptions of the same information that it was John BREAN who was baptized in 1812 at Winford, Somerset. > I am so confused by the two John Brean's born 3 yrs. apart, having the > same father and mother. Ihave seen the John Brean, b 1815, Winford, on > census of 1881 in Bedminster, married to a MaryAnn. As there are trancriptions for 1812 and 1815 baptisms for John BREAN, son of Richard and Hester, this suggests that the John who was baptized in 1812 died and his name was given to another son. To confirm this you would have to find the burial of a John BREAN, between 1812 and 1815, in the locality. Josephine

Thank you, Josephine. I saw that same information on the FreeReg. I am so confused by the two John Brean's born 3 yrs. apart, having the same father and mother. I have seen the John Brean, b 1815, Winford, on census of 1881 in Bedminster, married to a Mary Ann. I sent for a copy of their marriage record and find that John's father is Richard, a labourer. Mary Ann Rees or Reed is the daughter of George. They gave their residences as Long Ashton. Marriage date - May 9, 1841, in St. John Baptist Church, Bristol. A couple yrs. ago I looked at the LDS Film for baptisms at Winford and at certain places the film is absolutely black. Maybe that is where the 1812 was. Could it be that the transcriber could make a mistake? Or could there have been twins John and George born in 1812 and only George survived? I am not sure that another look at the film I viewed would help. Is there an original tape somewhere in Bristol or Winford to look at? Thanks again, Josephine, for your help and for plowing through this long email ! Therese -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Josephine Jeremiah Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 2:03 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [B&S] BREAN, Winford On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 01:30:34 +0100, Therese Ives <[email protected]> wrote: > My gr. Grandfather William Brean, b 1845, Wrington, was the son of > Thomas Brean, bt. 1817, Winford. Thomas was the son of Richard Brean, > bt. 1776, Winford. Richard & wife, Hester Barnes had the following > children baptized at Winford's St. Mary & St. Peter Church: > Sarah, 1803; Wm., 1806; Ann, 1809; John, 1812; John, 1815; > Thomas, 1817; Hester, 1820. > The list of baptisms for Richard & Hester family was from LDS British > Film> #1526112, Items 25 & 26. (All but the first John Brean, 1812. > That I saw on FreeReg.) It was a very hard film to see. I wonder if > someone on this list would be able to look at that film to see if the > first John Brean bt. 1812 was really George. Hi Therese, I looked in the Winford baptisms, on the web site of Moyra and Steve Jones, and saw the baptism of John BREAN, son of Richard and Hester, on 8th. May 1812: http://www.origins.plus.com/winford/winfordbapt1.htm Josephine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Any chance someone local could please tell me if Prior Hill still exists today? I have googled and got all my old Ordnance Survey maps out and still no luck finding it!!! Maybe it’s Goodwin Street now? I keep finding the Connecticut versions instead! Amanda NZ

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 09:47:25 +0100, Amanda Kerby <[email protected]> wrote: > Any chance someone local could please tell me if Prior Hill still > exists today? I have googled and got all my old Ordnance Survey maps > out and still no luck finding it!!! On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 19:00:18 +0100, Chris Jefferies <[email protected]> wrote: > On the 1880 map the words "Priors Hill Fort (Site of)"appear at the > junction of Fremantle St and Kingsdown Parade. > the street is only partly built on the 1855 map and on the 1828 map the > area is green fieldscalled Nine Tree Hill so cannot be Godwin St in > 1787. The streets just south of Fremantle St suchas Somerset St or Dove > St(was Dove Cote Lane) are in St James Out Parish and are on the 1750 > map. Hi Amanda, If you have a look at the 1789 map of St. Michaels Hill, King's Down and the Gallows, Bristol, which is on my web site http://www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com/bristolbits/bristol/kingsdown.htm you will see some of the streets, which Chris has mentioned. On this map the street which later became Dove Street is spelt Dove Coat Lane and Somerset Street is along the fold in the map. The map is part of a bigger map from The History and Antiquities of the City of Bristol by William Barrett (1789). Josephine

On the 1880 map the words "Priors Hill Fort (Site of)"appear at the junction of Fremantle St and Kingsdown Parade. If you do an address search for 13 Fremantle Rd on "Know Your Place" that will take you straight there. However the street is only partly built on the 1855 map and on the 1828 map the area is green fields called Nine Tree Hill so cannot be Godwin St in 1787. The streets just south of Fremantle St such as Somerset St or Dove St(was Dove Cote Lane) are in St James Out Parish and are on the 1750 map. Chris Jefferies Cheltenham Glos -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Josephine Jeremiah Sent: 08 October 2012 16:45 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [B&S] Godwin Street, Prior Hill, St James Bristol 1787 On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 09:47:25 +0100, Amanda Kerby <[email protected]> wrote: > Any chance someone local could please tell me if Prior Hill still > exists today? I have googled and got all my old Ordnance Survey maps > out and still no luck finding it!!! Hi Amanda, Prior's Hill Fort (Fremantle Square) in Bristol is mentioned on the following web page: http://www.fortified-places.com/bristol.html A map showing the position of Prior's Hill Fort in Bristol is here: http://www.fortified-places.com/bristol_image6.gif The position of Prior's Hill Fort on a modern map is shown here: http://www.pastscape.org.uk/maps.aspx?a=0&hob_id=198333 Possibly Godwin Street was in this location. Josephine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 09:47:25 +0100, Amanda Kerby <[email protected]> wrote: > Any chance someone local could please tell me if Prior Hill still exists > today? I have googled and got all my old Ordnance Survey maps out and > still no luck finding it!!! Hi Amanda, Prior's Hill Fort (Fremantle Square) in Bristol is mentioned on the following web page: http://www.fortified-places.com/bristol.html A map showing the position of Prior's Hill Fort in Bristol is here: http://www.fortified-places.com/bristol_image6.gif The position of Prior's Hill Fort on a modern map is shown here: http://www.pastscape.org.uk/maps.aspx?a=0&hob_id=198333 Possibly Godwin Street was in this location. Josephine

On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 13:17:40 +0100, Amanda Kerby <[email protected]> wrote: > I am wondering if there is anyone who has studied this family, > particularly Benjamin Gillam, banker > of Bristol who died after a short > illness in 1789 and two others whom I suspect might have been his > > brothers; Joseph and Cornelius. Hi Amanda, Browsing through Sketchley's Bristol Directory of 1775, I came upon an address which may be of interest to you. A widow with the surname DALE was at 3, Gillam's-court, St. James's-street. Perhaps the name of this court was connected with the GILLAM family whom you are researching. Josephine