Thanks for your advice Liz. I had looked for marriages for the older children but hadn't thought to look in the 1861 census for the children, nor either of the wives, so I'll do that next. Many thanks Chris, Sydney Australia > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 09:09:16 -0000 > From: "Liz" <e.newbery@btinternet.com> > > You don't say if you've looked for the 5 children elsewhere in the 1861 > census? Have you looked for either of his "wives" to check if they are > around > and have just left him. >