A VERY likely candidate, and one which I will follow up today. The super response which I have had from you guys (and the Monaco Grad prix on telly !) gives me a great excuse NOT to go out into the rain ! :-) R ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Mason" <mary.mason@btopenworld.com> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [B&D] A conundrum I have looked at Long Ashton baptisms and could find one Emma Knight. 1826 Aug 31 Emma Sophia to Richard and Sophia Knight, Long Ashton, tiler and plasterer. Regards Mary. Mary`s Portbury Hundred records at: http://www.portbury-hundred.co.uk --- On Sat, 15/5/10, roger baynton <baynton@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: From: roger baynton <baynton@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: [B&D] A conundrum To: "Bristol & Dist Roots web" <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, 15 May, 2010, 17:38 Hi. This is my first post and I am a bit of a newbie to all this but have come across an interesting conundrum which you experts MAY be able to point me in the direction of unravelling Also apologies if this is a bit long but bear with me, you will see that I couldnt really shorten it much! I am looking at the branch of the Bayntons which ended up in Bristol from Bromham, Wilts via Mells, Som. William Baynton (1799) married (in 1823) Sophia Buckler (1796) who is recorded in later censuses as born in Abbots Leigh They had 2 sons, William (1824) and Robert (1827) In the 1841 census William (senior) and Sophia are recorded as running the Angel Inn in Long Ashton. William (Junior) and Robert have left home and their household is; William Baynton 40 Sophia Baynton 45 Sarah Lock 25 Plus 4 servants (presumably pub staff) In the 1851 census the couple have moved to an address in Bower Ashton Terrace and William is recorded as a Coal Merchant and their household is; William Baynton 49 Sophia Baynton 58 Emma Knight UNMARRIED DAUGHTER born Long Ashton 23 Ellen Locke GRANDCHILD born Bedminster 7 John Locke GRANDSON born Newport Mon. 8 Lionel Locke GRANDSON born Bedminster 3 Ann Vowles Servant 20 The question arises where does Emma Knight come into the picture? And of whom is she the daughter, William or Sophia and where does the name Knight come from? Furthermore whose are the three Locke children? If they ARE grandchildren of William or Sophia then they don't seem to be offspring of the two legitimate sons who I have tracked and are apparently happily married elsewhere. The likelihood is that they are Emma Knight's. She would have been 16 when the first, Ellen was conceived. So who is Locke the father of these three? A search on the youngest of the three 'grandchildren' Lionel Locke born about 1848 in the 1861 census leads us to the household of Lewis Locke at 3 Clouds Hill Villas St George. Lewis is 50 and the Manager of an Iron Mine. The household is Lewis Locke head 50 Sarah Locke wife 44 Sylvina Locke daughter 11 Lionel Locke son 13 This then is almost certainly the SAME Sarah Locke recorded as being at the Angel Inn in 1841 and the daughter of William or Sophia Baynton SO, if Sarah Locke & Lewis Locke are the parents of Lionel (and Sylvina) and by implication of John and Ellen (who could well have flown the nest by 1861) what were they doing living with my 3 x Great Grand Parents in a Coal Merchant's house in 1851 being recorded as their grandchildren, without a parent. And WHO was Emma Knight - was she REALLY an illegitimate daughter of William or Sophia? There is one final twist to this story. William Baynton was a son of John Baynton and the only one of the sons not to go into found Baynton's Brewery at Ashton Gate (where Baynton Road now is just up from the City Ground) but according to Theo Baynton's book on the Bayntons there is evidence that he (William not Theo!) selected the site for the brewery and designed the layout of Ashton Vale Colliery He had strong connections with this colliery The excellent Coal Mining History Resource website http://www.cmhrc.co.uk/site/database/cmhrc?text_search=baynton&action=search_by_keyword Records the owner as Baynton and KNIGHT When the colliery finished, I understand that the business became The Ashton Vale Iron Company Limited The Ashton Vale Iron Company Limited was registered on 17 June 1864 as the successor to a series of partnerships which included Baynton, Knight and Co., Knight, Abbots and Co. and Edwin Knight and Co. Note the name KNIGHT keeps on cropping up is there any connection to the enigmatic Emma Knight? Any tips? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message