I know I've asked this before but I'm still bothered about it. Samuel LONG was my 3 x great grandfather - he married Ann BURCHELL in Bitton in 1803 and they had 7 children, 6 of whom lived to be adults and all married. Ann, his wife, died in 1821, in Bitton and was buried in St Mary's Churchyard. Samuel was buried with her and the son who died as a child in the same grave. Samuel died in 1833, leaving a Will in which he carefully names all his children leaving them about £30 - £50 each and an share of his effects. The Will includes these items: "To Ann Long my present wife the sum of Twenty Pounds of the current coin of Great Britain and also the goods that she had at the time of her marriage with me the said Samuel Long" "I further state that it is my will and intention that the whole of my land chattels and other things aforesaid mentioned shall be sold to the best advantage immediately after my decease" [and shared between his children] My question - who is "Ann Long, my present wife"? His wife Ann had died in 1821 so had he married another Ann? Who was she? What did she bring with her into the marriage? and why wasn't she given a share of his estate even for her lifetime? The will was dated 11 July 1833, he died 27th Aug 1833. The 1831 census of Bitton shows: LONG Sam Farmer M 55, 13, 15, 18 F 24, 45 It is possible that the 45 year-old female might have been the elusive 2nd wife (or of course she might have been a servant!) I'd be grateful for any thoughts on this situation. In the past I've looked for a marriage of a Samuel LONG between 1821 and 1833 and the death or marriage of an Ann LONG after 1833 but with no real success. With thanks Pat

Hi Pat Were any children born to the second Ann? If so there might be a surname for her on their baptisms. Have you found all the children on the 1841, 1951 census.? Do they have any other surname living with them that could be second Ann's children by a former marriage? Or someone who could be second Ann's mother? Caroline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Hase" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 8:55 PM Subject: [B&D] Samuel LONG 1778-1833 Bitton I know I've asked this before but I'm still bothered about it. Samuel LONG was my 3 x great grandfather - he married Ann BURCHELL in Bitton in 1803 and they had 7 children, 6 of whom lived to be adults and all married. Ann, his wife, died in 1821, in Bitton and was buried in St Mary's Churchyard. Samuel was buried with her and the son who died as a child in the same grave. Samuel died in 1833, leaving a Will in which he carefully names all his children leaving them about £30 - £50 each and an share of his effects. The Will includes these items: "To Ann Long my present wife the sum of Twenty Pounds of the current coin of Great Britain and also the goods that she had at the time of her marriage with me the said Samuel Long" "I further state that it is my will and intention that the whole of my land chattels and other things aforesaid mentioned shall be sold to the best advantage immediately after my decease" [and shared between his children] My question - who is "Ann Long, my present wife"? His wife Ann had died in 1821 so had he married another Ann? Who was she? What did she bring with her into the marriage? and why wasn't she given a share of his estate even for her lifetime? The will was dated 11 July 1833, he died 27th Aug 1833. The 1831 census of Bitton shows: LONG Sam Farmer M 55, 13, 15, 18 F 24, 45 It is possible that the 45 year-old female might have been the elusive 2nd wife (or of course she might have been a servant!) I'd be grateful for any thoughts on this situation. In the past I've looked for a marriage of a Samuel LONG between 1821 and 1833 and the death or marriage of an Ann LONG after 1833 but with no real success. With thanks Pat ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Caroline, That's an interesting idea. I don't think there were any children or they surely would have been mentioned in his Will? I haven't found a suitable baptism for any children by the second Ann. Of his children by the 1st Ann in case they had step siblings with them 1 Eldest daughter Elizabeth had married William BRYANT in 1830 and had an approximately aged 15 year old William PARNELL living with them in Golden Valley, Bitton in 1841. But there is a baptism of a William PERNELL s/o William & Elizabeth in Bitton in 1826 so that rather rules him out. 2 Eldest son Samuel was actually a widower by 1841 and had 2 teenage servants, Henry MORGAN & Martha HAINES. Not sure about Henry MORGAN but it looks as if Martha HAYNES [sic] can be eliminated 3 Third child, Hester had married John GERRISH in 1824 and by 1841 had 8 children but no one else living with them. 4 Robert, their 2nd son, was married in 1832, he was living in Redcliffe Hill, Bristol with 5 children and 2 servants. Walter HOLBIN - born in Bitton, mother's name Catherine, and Eliza CURDIN who I can't identify. 5 Ann had married John BURROWS in 1831 and had lodgers with them in 1841 but none that I can link with the second Ann 6 Thomas (my ancestor) married in 1839, they had just the one child but did have a servant Eliza OLLIER who again I can't really identify. A worthwhile exercise but so satisfactory conclusion. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "C Rihan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [B&D] Samuel LONG 1778-1833 Bitton Hi Pat Were any children born to the second Ann? If so there might be a surname for her on their baptisms. Have you found all the children on the 1841, 1951 census.? Do they have any other surname living with them that could be second Ann's children by a former marriage? Or someone who could be second Ann's mother? Caroline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Hase" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 8:55 PM Subject: [B&D] Samuel LONG 1778-1833 Bitton I know I've asked this before but I'm still bothered about it. Samuel LONG was my 3 x great grandfather - he married Ann BURCHELL in Bitton in 1803 and they had 7 children, 6 of whom lived to be adults and all married. Ann, his wife, died in 1821, in Bitton and was buried in St Mary's Churchyard. Samuel was buried with her and the son who died as a child in the same grave. Samuel died in 1833, leaving a Will in which he carefully names all his children leaving them about £30 - £50 each and an share of his effects. The Will includes these items: "To Ann Long my present wife the sum of Twenty Pounds of the current coin of Great Britain and also the goods that she had at the time of her marriage with me the said Samuel Long" "I further state that it is my will and intention that the whole of my land chattels and other things aforesaid mentioned shall be sold to the best advantage immediately after my decease" [and shared between his children] My question - who is "Ann Long, my present wife"? His wife Ann had died in 1821 so had he married another Ann? Who was she? What did she bring with her into the marriage? and why wasn't she given a share of his estate even for her lifetime? The will was dated 11 July 1833, he died 27th Aug 1833. The 1831 census of Bitton shows: LONG Sam Farmer M 55, 13, 15, 18 F 24, 45 It is possible that the 45 year-old female might have been the elusive 2nd wife (or of course she might have been a servant!) I'd be grateful for any thoughts on this situation. In the past I've looked for a marriage of a Samuel LONG between 1821 and 1833 and the death or marriage of an Ann LONG after 1833 but with no real success. With thanks Pat ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message