Hi Liz I have a similar occurrence the child was baptised in the Lying in Hospital just after birth and was baptised in the Parish Church 3 months later Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz" <e.newbery@btinternet.com> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 8:37 PM Subject: [B&D] Two baptisms > This is not a B&D birth but I feel it is worth mentioning here because we > often hear of children being baptised twice and we all say, "no, no, that > can't be"! On this occasion, the baby was born while the husband was away > fighting. When he returned from the war his wife was delighted to show > him > their baby who was born in his absence and she announced that she'd had > him > baptised as William. The father was jubilant to find he had a son but he > was not happy with the name and refused to accept it. So, the baby was > baptised a second time using the name Arthur which was the name the father > wanted. > > In the past I have actually found two children with different names but > baptised within a few weeks of each other and wondered if there was an > error > or if the vicar had made an error but this has now started me thinking > about > some of those strange baptisms with different names. > > So, more food for thought there. > > Liz > www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery > OPC for Street, Somerset > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is not a B&D birth but I feel it is worth mentioning here because we often hear of children being baptised twice and we all say, "no, no, that can't be"! On this occasion, the baby was born while the husband was away fighting. When he returned from the war his wife was delighted to show him their baby who was born in his absence and she announced that she'd had him baptised as William. The father was jubilant to find he had a son but he was not happy with the name and refused to accept it. So, the baby was baptised a second time using the name Arthur which was the name the father wanted. In the past I have actually found two children with different names but baptised within a few weeks of each other and wondered if there was an error or if the vicar had made an error but this has now started me thinking about some of those strange baptisms with different names. So, more food for thought there. Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset

Hi Pat, I'm convinced that what is written is Hallo Trough, by comparing the individual letters with others on the same page. I then come to the same conclusion as you, that this is a phonetic spelling of Hallatrow. The other evidence of Pick family members in High Littleton, just down the road from Hallatrow, is, I think, enough to be confident about it. Since many of us get confused about where Gloucestershire ends and Somerset begins, perhaps we shouldn't get too critical if someone thought that Hallatrow was in Gloucestershire ;-) Best wishes & happy new year to all, Mike Gould Leicestershire -----Original Message----- From: bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Hase Sent: 03 January 2010 15:43 To: bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com Subject: [B&D] Where is Mollo or Nolle Trough,Gloucestershire? is it Hallatrow, Somerset? On the 1851 census for Corston is Isaac PICK, aged 45 and his family. His surname is actually PIKE but it is is birthplace which interests me. Transcribed variously as Mollo or Nollo Trough, I think the fist letter is most probably an "H". The only name I can think of is Hallatrow, Somerset - nothing in Gloucestershire. Thanks to Michael Browning's excellent research - http://www.highlittletonhistory.org.uk/ - There is a baptism for an Isaac PIKE in 1809 in High Littleton s/o William & Mary which looks like a possibility - If Michael was still with us, I'm sure he would have been able to tell me all about the PIKEs. But can I have a second oppinion about this birthplace please? Thanks Pat ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My problem is that the will of John Blackmore clearly states the names of his children Mary, Martha, John, James and William as being b orn to him and his wife Ann whilst the Walton-in-Gordano PR's show them having been born to a John and Mary. Could Mary Carvy be Mary Ann or Ann Mary? David Blackmore ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Hase" <pat@pathase.demon.co.uk> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [B&D] John BLACKMORE, Walton-in-Gordano > Hello David, > > A John BLACKMOOR married a Mary CARVEY 13th Jan 1778 at Walton in > Gordano - > from the Bristol & Avon FHS CD of North Somerset Marriages Vol 10. > www.bafhs.org.uk > > Perhaps she was Mary Ann? > > These christenings in Walton in Gordano are interesting. >>From http://www.portbury-hundred.co.uk/waltonbapt.htm > 1784 Mar 14th John Blackmore son of John Blakemore > 1787 Apr 29th James son of John and Mary Blackmore > 1790 Jan 30th William son of John Blackmore and Mary. > > Not sure that this helps but might be worth considering. > > Pat > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave" <davidblackmore3@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 12:31 PM > Subject: [B&D] John BLACKMORE, Walton-in-Gordano > > >>I am having difficulty in tracing the marriage of John Blackmore to Ann ? >>circa 1777. John Blackmore was born c. 1757 in W-i-G and wad baptised on 9 >>April 1758 W-i-G. He died on 12 March 1839 in W-i-G and was buried on 19 >>March 1839 in St. Andrews, Clevedon. According to his will he had five >>children - Mary Blackmore b. 1778, Martha b. 1780, John b. 1784, James b. >>1787 and William b, 1787. >> >> I do not kniow his wife Ann's maiden name nor where abouts they were >> married - having searched all the W-i-G and Clevedon and surrounding >> parish records - so wonder if they may have married in Bristol as several >> of their predecessors had done. Hope that somebody can help me with my >> problem. >> >> Apologies if this request is not relevant to the the B &D List. >> >> David Blackmore >> Mangotsfield >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Polly, As I explore the High Littleton Registers I am convinced that this is the right place because there is a burial in 1824 of a Uriah PIKE aged 13. I know nothing about him but there was another Uriah PIKE born in Corston in 1830 who was (I think) the nephew of Isaac PIKE. All circumstantial but worth following up. Going back to the 1851 census of Corston, Isaac has a brother, George, living with him whose birth place is given as Lacock, Wiltshire. I believe that he was the father of the Uriah PIKE born in 1830. I think Lacock is slightly outside the Bristol boundary(!) but does anyone know if there is a transcription online? Thanks for your interest Polly - these all are relations of my grandchildren and I really would like to sort them out. Best wishes Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Polly Rubery" <polly@rowberry.org> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [B&D] Where is Mollo or Nolle Trough,Gloucestershire? is it Hallatrow, Somerset? > Hi Pat > > I haven't looked at the original, but your reasoning sounds good to me, > especially as in Wiltshire a trough was always called a trow (I didn't > know > what they were talking about when I first went to work on a farm there in > the Summer of 1968!). > Polly > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Hase" <pat@pathase.demon.co.uk> > To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 3:43 PM > Subject: [B&D] Where is Mollo or Nolle Trough,Gloucestershire? is it > Hallatrow, Somerset? > > > On the 1851 census for Corston is Isaac PICK, aged 45 and his family. > His surname is actually PIKE but it is is birthplace which interests me. > Transcribed variously as Mollo or Nollo Trough, I think the fist letter is > most probably an "H". The only name I can think of is Hallatrow, > Somerset - > nothing in Gloucestershire. > Thanks to Michael Browning's excellent research - > http://www.highlittletonhistory.org.uk/ - There is a baptism for an Isaac > PIKE in 1809 in High Littleton s/o William & Mary which looks like a > possibility - If Michael was still with us, I'm sure he would have been > able > to tell me all about the PIKEs. > But can I have a second oppinion about this birthplace please? > Thanks > > Pat > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello David, A John BLACKMOOR married a Mary CARVEY 13th Jan 1778 at Walton in Gordano - from the Bristol & Avon FHS CD of North Somerset Marriages Vol 10. www.bafhs.org.uk Perhaps she was Mary Ann? These christenings in Walton in Gordano are interesting. >From http://www.portbury-hundred.co.uk/waltonbapt.htm 1784 Mar 14th John Blackmore son of John Blakemore 1787 Apr 29th James son of John and Mary Blackmore 1790 Jan 30th William son of John Blackmore and Mary. Not sure that this helps but might be worth considering. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" <davidblackmore3@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 12:31 PM Subject: [B&D] John BLACKMORE, Walton-in-Gordano >I am having difficulty in tracing the marriage of John Blackmore to Ann ? >circa 1777. John Blackmore was born c. 1757 in W-i-G and wad baptised on 9 >April 1758 W-i-G. He died on 12 March 1839 in W-i-G and was buried on 19 >March 1839 in St. Andrews, Clevedon. According to his will he had five >children - Mary Blackmore b. 1778, Martha b. 1780, John b. 1784, James b. >1787 and William b, 1787. > > I do not kniow his wife Ann's maiden name nor where abouts they were > married - having searched all the W-i-G and Clevedon and surrounding > parish records - so wonder if they may have married in Bristol as several > of their predecessors had done. Hope that somebody can help me with my > problem. > > Apologies if this request is not relevant to the the B &D List. > > David Blackmore > Mangotsfield > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Pat I haven't looked at the original, but your reasoning sounds good to me, especially as in Wiltshire a trough was always called a trow (I didn't know what they were talking about when I first went to work on a farm there in the Summer of 1968!). Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Hase" <pat@pathase.demon.co.uk> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 3:43 PM Subject: [B&D] Where is Mollo or Nolle Trough,Gloucestershire? is it Hallatrow, Somerset? On the 1851 census for Corston is Isaac PICK, aged 45 and his family. His surname is actually PIKE but it is is birthplace which interests me. Transcribed variously as Mollo or Nollo Trough, I think the fist letter is most probably an "H". The only name I can think of is Hallatrow, Somerset - nothing in Gloucestershire. Thanks to Michael Browning's excellent research - http://www.highlittletonhistory.org.uk/ - There is a baptism for an Isaac PIKE in 1809 in High Littleton s/o William & Mary which looks like a possibility - If Michael was still with us, I'm sure he would have been able to tell me all about the PIKEs. But can I have a second oppinion about this birthplace please? Thanks Pat ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On the 1851 census for Corston is Isaac PICK, aged 45 and his family. His surname is actually PIKE but it is is birthplace which interests me. Transcribed variously as Mollo or Nollo Trough, I think the fist letter is most probably an "H". The only name I can think of is Hallatrow, Somerset - nothing in Gloucestershire. Thanks to Michael Browning's excellent research - http://www.highlittletonhistory.org.uk/ - There is a baptism for an Isaac PIKE in 1809 in High Littleton s/o William & Mary which looks like a possibility - If Michael was still with us, I'm sure he would have been able to tell me all about the PIKEs. But can I have a second oppinion about this birthplace please? Thanks Pat

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I am having difficulty in tracing the marriage of John Blackmore to Ann ? circa 1777. John Blackmore was born c. 1757 in W-i-G and wad baptised on 9 April 1758 W-i-G. He died on 12 March 1839 in W-i-G and was buried on 19 March 1839 in St. Andrews, Clevedon. According to his will he had five children - Mary Blackmore b. 1778, Martha b. 1780, John b. 1784, James b. 1787 and William b, 1787. I do not kniow his wife Ann's maiden name nor where abouts they were married - having searched all the W-i-G and Clevedon and surrounding parish records - so wonder if they may have married in Bristol as several of their predecessors had done. Hope that somebody can help me with my problem. Apologies if this request is not relevant to the the B &D List. David Blackmore Mangotsfield

Good evening all, Thank you for your informative replies. I am now duly sure that Uley rhymes wirth Julie. I do not think I had better bring up the topic of Cirencester, here However, dad, a Tetbury man always called it Ciren (Siren), like the suit Winnie wore in WW2. Google and the local tennis club agree! Thanks again Phil

And a Happy New Year to you Charani and all the other Listers. Really enjoyed the card. Regards, Nancy Frey Newcastle, Ontario, CANADA OPC for Ansford & Castle Cary, Somerset Moderator of Yahoo! Catsash Hundred Group Moderator of Yahoo! Glaston Twelve Hides Hundred Group Moderator of Yahoo! NorthWiltshire Group Moderator of Yahoo! SouthWiltshire Group Moderator of Yahoo! WestWiltshire Group Moderator of Yahoo! FULFORD_North Devon Group Moderator of Yahoo! DAVIDGE Connections Group ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <familyhunter@family-hunter.co.uk> To: "B+D List" <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 7:04 PM Subject: [B&D] Happy New Year . . . >. . . . to all on the list, lurkers included :)) and may it be a > brickwall busting, lost ancestor finding 2010!! :)) > > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton and Greinton, SOM > Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk

> I've lived in Almondsbury for 15 years and have never heard anyone >pronounce it Amesbury! I myself pronounce it Alm'sbury with the middle bit practically missing. I'm not so familiar with Congresbury. Uley is definitely pronouced to rhyme with Julie. Polly

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: annierose9@googlemail.com Date: 2 Jan 2010 13:27 Subject: Re: Re: [B&D] Uley To: Karen Lynn <karenalynn@gmail.com> CC: > My Mother also pronounced it 'Coomsbury' and 'Amesbury' ( she was born > in1912 ans born and brought up in Bristol) and I do too sometimes but > find I have to give both pronounciations. > best wishes > Anne Rose > On 2 Jan 2010 13:10, Karen Lynn karenalynn@gmail.com> wrote: > > 2010/1/2 Gillie Ewart gillie.ewart@tiscali.co.uk> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have always thought it was pronounced Youlee but there are many > places > > > > > > > such as Congresbury which my mother always pronounced Coomsbury. > > > > > > > Almondsbury pronounced Amesbury. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've lived in Almondsbury for 15 years and have never heard anyone > > > > > > pronounce it Amesbury! > > > > > > > > > > > > Karen > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >

2010/1/2 Gillie Ewart <gillie.ewart@tiscali.co.uk> > I have always thought it was pronounced Youlee but there are many places > such as Congresbury which my mother always pronounced Coomsbury. > Almondsbury pronounced Amesbury. > > I've lived in Almondsbury for 15 years and have never heard anyone pronounce it Amesbury! Karen

I presume you mean the village just east of Dursley. Most people use "You ly" that rhymes with "Julie", and if you were asking for directions people would know where you were looking for. Chris Jefferies Cheltenham Gloucestershire -----Original Message----- From: bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Phil Warn Sent: 02 January 2010 10:59 To: bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com Subject: [B&D] Uley Good morning B&Ders, A white one this morning, I vould not make up my mind whether we had had a sprinkling of the white stuff or a heavy frost this morning here in outer London. Pronunciation, please for Uley. Is it like the log, Yule ly or Ooh (la la) ly? Or even, like the public school, is the "ly" pronounced as in "lie" (down) rather than the meadow (lee/lea)? [ That would give us four possibilities with two for each syllable! ] Many thanks Phil ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.124/2596 - Release Date: 01/01/10 09:20:00

I have always thought it was pronounced Youlee but there are many places such as Congresbury which my mother always pronounced Coomsbury. Almondsbury pronounced Amesbury. Gillie -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 10124 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Pronunciation is 'You-lee' David Bristol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Warn" <philwarnorp@googlemail.com> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:58 AM Subject: [B&D] Uley > Good morning B&Ders, > > A white one this morning, I vould not make up my mind whether we had > had a sprinkling of the white stuff or a heavy frost this morning here > in outer London. > > Pronunciation, please for Uley. > > Is it like the log, Yule ly or Ooh (la la) ly? > > Or even, like the public school, is the "ly" pronounced as in "lie" > (down) rather than the meadow (lee/lea)? > > [ That would give us four possibilities with two for each syllable! ] > > Many thanks > > Phil > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

You got me interested in checking the details. It's not Bristol related but I'm sure many Bristolian's ancestors ended up out here so this sort of think adds depth to what you know about them. I have picked up so many interesting things about Bristol from this list that make me feel I know more about my ancestors. There are lots of schools of thought about the very early settlement here, especially about the convicts. That they were starving or not starving. That the convicts were part of a criminal underclass or were just poor people stealing to live. That the women were mostly prostitutes or were family women doing or stealing what they could to support their families. If you're interested there are hundreds of web sites devoted to the topic. http://www.ulladulla.info/historian/ffstory.html http://www.eurekacouncil.com.au/Australia-History/History-Indexes/index-1788-first_fleet.htm http://www.jackiefrench.com/appleby.html Enjoy.

Hi Liz, I can't remember for sure whether the convicts were issued shoes, but I think they were. I think in the very early days most people had some sort of footwear here unless they were really poor - I'm going on memory here but the big exception to this was, I think, by the time the 2nd fleet arrived in 1790 everybody had run out of most items of clothing (and nearly out of food) from the Governor right down to the convicts. Hardly anyone had sound footwear and the clothes were wearing very thin, especially the women's clothing as the spare supply had been forgotten. The hours that the convicts worked was cut right down as they didn't have enough food to fuel them for the work. And when I say memory I don't mean that I was there! I've just moved house and most of my books are still in storage. Cheers Robyn 2010/1/2 Liz <e.newbery@btinternet.com> > Hi Robyn > I imagine many of them wouldn't have had shoes. I know in England in > Victorian times children were often absent from school when it snowed > because they had no shoes (read in school log books) and it was too cold > for > them to walk to school. I recall that in London they still had a troop of > Bare foot Girl Guides even in the early 1950s. I don't know when this died > out in Bristol but it must have been similar. > > Liz > >