The other well known stranding was that of the SS Demerara in 1851 further down the Avon at the double bend. I can remember seeing the figurehead sometime in my youth....and I think there is a painting of the scene in the Bristol Art Gallery at the top of Park Street . In my search for the above I came across the following that I hadn't seen before... http://www.bristolblitzed.org/ Grant Feltham

I found a description of the wreck of the 'Gypsy' on Bob Sanders' site (http://www.angelfire.com/de/BobSanders/WRECKS.html) "On 12 May 1878 the schooner Gipsy belonging to the Waterford Steam Navigation Co. was on a voyage from Bristol to Liverpool and Waterford. She was towed down the River Avon by the tug Sea King but shortly after passing under Clifton Suspension Bridge she struck rocks and mud on the Bristol bank. She listed over and blocked the river. Tugs tried to move her but failed. A steam driven fire engine was then brought by barge to pump the water out of her so that the cargo could be removed, but she broke in two. The crew remained on board and removed the cargo as they were in no real danger. The only passenger had left the ship safely shortly after she had gone aground. It was not until 17 May that a channel could be opened sufficiently for ship movements in the river Avon. Eventually some weeks later the remains of the Gipsy were finally dynamited and the river fully re-opened." Also, a couple more photographs of the 'Gypsy' are available at: http://www.pbase.com/pgalena/image/106074211 http://www.pbase.com/pgalena/image/106074268 These photos are from a large photo collection of ships and working boats; many of them were taken around Bristol, the River Avon, and Avonmouth, Regards, Jeremy On 12/01/10 14:26, IAN LOGAN wrote: > Hello > > http://www.riveravontrail.org.uk/booklet.pdf > > Page 7 of above has a picture of a broken ship (GYPSY) stranded in the gorge > in 1878. > > Ian L > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Liz" <e.newbery@btinternet.com> > To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 3:05 PM > Subject: Re: [B&D] Bristol Channel sands (was: Global Warming?) > > > >> Hi Ian >> >> Yes, it seems no one wants to confess:-( I have been on that causeway to >> Lindisfarne, it's quite a long area to cover and was pretty scary. I >> think >> there are several people every week who lose their cars in WSM due to >> stupidity! >> >> I think several ships/boats got stuck on the Bristol mudflats over the >> centuries. I think one of the Campbell's steamers got stuck and I recall >> a >> photo of people trying to scramble over the mud in Victorian dresses. >> >> The earth moves around as we all know. >> >> Liz >> www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery >> OPC for Street, Somerset >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ian Sage" <sage_gen@tiscali.co.uk> >> >> >>> Getting back on topic, I recall a spectacular photograph of a ship >>> stranded >>> by a falling tide across the channel in (roughly) the Avon Gorge area >>> which >>> broke her back, largely blocking the river. I can't recall the date or >>> name >>> of the ship, but I am sure someone can? >>> >>> >>>> The Musandam Peninsular which is at the base of the Arabian Gulf, was >>>> >>> trillions of years >>> >>>> ago, at the North Pole and the lands moved around >>>> >>> And Bristol and Somerset used to be well south of the equator, and later >>> had >>> a desert climate. >>> >>> Ian >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hello http://www.riveravontrail.org.uk/booklet.pdf Page 7 of above has a picture of a broken ship (GYPSY) stranded in the gorge in 1878. Ian L ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz" <e.newbery@btinternet.com> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [B&D] Bristol Channel sands (was: Global Warming?) > > Hi Ian > > Yes, it seems no one wants to confess:-( I have been on that causeway to > Lindisfarne, it's quite a long area to cover and was pretty scary. I > think > there are several people every week who lose their cars in WSM due to > stupidity! > > I think several ships/boats got stuck on the Bristol mudflats over the > centuries. I think one of the Campbell's steamers got stuck and I recall > a > photo of people trying to scramble over the mud in Victorian dresses. > > The earth moves around as we all know. > > Liz > www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery > OPC for Street, Somerset > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ian Sage" <sage_gen@tiscali.co.uk> > >> Getting back on topic, I recall a spectacular photograph of a ship >> stranded >> by a falling tide across the channel in (roughly) the Avon Gorge area >> which >> broke her back, largely blocking the river. I can't recall the date or >> name >> of the ship, but I am sure someone can? >> >>>The Musandam Peninsular which is at the base of the Arabian Gulf, was >> trillions of years >>>ago, at the North Pole and the lands moved around >> And Bristol and Somerset used to be well south of the equator, and later >> had >> a desert climate. >> >> Ian > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi All Anyone connected to or researching the following. James Henry VOWLES and Sara Selina SMART married 1899 Bristol also Charle4s H J FUDGE and Catherine Emily SMART married Bristol Tony

Hi All Where would it be likely that my gr great grandmother would have been buried , after her demise in Stapleton Workhouse ( Poor soul was also born in a workhouse.) Tony

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/ Guardians arranged a burial in a local cemetery or burial ground - this was ... workhouses had their own burial ground on or adjacent ... the site.... Edna - Ottawa

Hi Ian Yes, it seems no one wants to confess:-( I have been on that causeway to Lindisfarne, it's quite a long area to cover and was pretty scary. I think there are several people every week who lose their cars in WSM due to stupidity! I think several ships/boats got stuck on the Bristol mudflats over the centuries. I think one of the Campbell's steamers got stuck and I recall a photo of people trying to scramble over the mud in Victorian dresses. The earth moves around as we all know. Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Sage" <sage_gen@tiscali.co.uk> > Getting back on topic, I recall a spectacular photograph of a ship > stranded > by a falling tide across the channel in (roughly) the Avon Gorge area > which > broke her back, largely blocking the river. I can't recall the date or > name > of the ship, but I am sure someone can? > >>The Musandam Peninsular which is at the base of the Arabian Gulf, was > trillions of years >>ago, at the North Pole and the lands moved around > And Bristol and Somerset used to be well south of the equator, and later > had > a desert climate. > > Ian

Pat Hase wrote: > Thank you very much to Ian & Karen for the helpful suggestions about > searching for an unfamiliar name. There are several routes here for me to > go. If only I had paid more attention when I tried to learn German! > > I'm waiting for the marriage certificate now to see if her signature and her > father's name (if entered) give any more clues. You could try the German list. They do speak English and they're pretty helpful in the main. You will get suggestions to use the phone book for modern family members but I regard that as a bit dodgy. > (Thanks also to Charani for tolerance in stretching the elastic!) <G> It did get a bit weakened there ;)) If anyone else has suggestions to help Pat, perhaps they'd send them offlist now, please. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton and Greinton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Liz mused: >I would love to know when the first car was lost in the >sands at WSM or Brean. >Have any of our listers or their families lost their cars to the tides? I see there has not been a huge rush of people making their confessions on this one, Liz. The best I can do is that I know someone who lost their car that way - but it was on the causeway to Lindisfarne, Northumberland. That route has a "high spot" in the middle where you can be cut off by the tide advancing both ahead and behind you. It is equipped with a refuge box fortunately, but that did not help their car! Getting back on topic, I recall a spectacular photograph of a ship stranded by a falling tide across the channel in (roughly) the Avon Gorge area which broke her back, largely blocking the river. I can't recall the date or name of the ship, but I am sure someone can? >The Musandam Peninsular which is at the base of the Arabian Gulf, was trillions of years >ago, at the North Pole and the lands moved around And Bristol and Somerset used to be well south of the equator, and later had a desert climate. Ian

Thank you very much to Ian & Karen for the helpful suggestions about searching for an unfamiliar name. There are several routes here for me to go. If only I had paid more attention when I tried to learn German! I'm waiting for the marriage certificate now to see if her signature and her father's name (if entered) give any more clues. Pat (Thanks also to Charani for tolerance in stretching the elastic!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "IAN LOGAN" <ian@logann.orangehome.co.uk> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:55 AM Subject: Re: [B&D] PRÖNNEBECK Pat www.ahnenforschung-bayern.de/db/tiny-tafel.php?buchstabe=p A long shot - this Bavarian surname database ( found via Google) contains "PRONBECK" and "PRONBÖCK" . The host website www.ahnenforschung-bayern.de has an email contact and a forum - might just prove helpful. Cheers Ian L

Can we curtail comments about Australian and New Zealand weather please? It's going so far out of area, the elastic is liable to twang all the way to Jupiter! :)) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton and Greinton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Hi Pat, Another tip when searching is to look for PROEN* - German vowels with umlauts (the ") can also be written with an e following the vowel to indicate the same thing: sometimes used e.g. when typing on an English keyboard without an umlaut key. Karen 2010/1/11 Liz <e.newbery@btinternet.com> > Hi Pat > > Try this spelling Prönnecke - a family from Broistedt in Germany. > > For others struggling with unusual names, I went to Rootsweb WorldConnect > and typed in " Pron* " and that's what came up. Hope it helps. > > Liz > www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery <http://www.btinternet.com/%7Ee.newbery> > OPC for Street, Somerset > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Hase" <pat@pathase.demon.co.uk> > To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 11:23 PM > Subject: [B&D] PRÖNNEBECK > > > I'm afraid as far as I know this has nothing to do with Bristol but are > there any listers from Germany who could help me? > I've found a marriage in 1882 in Liverpool of a John SIMPSON to an > Elisabeth > PRÖNNEBECK > On later censuses she says she was born in Germany but is a British > citizen. > She is a 3 x great grandmother of my grandchildren (who were born in this > area!). I can find no mention of the surname anywhere else - not on > Google, > familysearch, ancestry - does anyone recognise it or could give a viable > alternative? > > I've sent for the certificate to see if that helps. > >

Pat www.ahnenforschung-bayern.de/db/tiny-tafel.php?buchstabe=p A long shot - this Bavarian surname database ( found via Google) contains "PRONBECK" and "PRONBÖCK" . The host website www.ahnenforschung-bayern.de has an email contact and a forum - might just prove helpful. Cheers Ian L ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Hase" <pat@pathase.demon.co.uk> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 11:23 PM Subject: [B&D] PRÖNNEBECK I'm afraid as far as I know this has nothing to do with Bristol but are there any listers from Germany who could help me? I've found a marriage in 1882 in Liverpool of a John SIMPSON to an Elisabeth PRÖNNEBECK On later censuses she says she was born in Germany but is a British citizen. She is a 3 x great grandmother of my grandchildren (who were born in this area!). I can find no mention of the surname anywhere else - not on Google, familysearch, ancestry - does anyone recognise it or could give a viable alternative? I've sent for the certificate to see if that helps. Thanks Pat

Hi Liz, Thank you. That's a very useful tip - I had forgotten about Rootsweb WorldConnect I'll keep on looking. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz" <e.newbery@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [B&D] PRÖNNEBECK Hi Pat Try this spelling Prönnecke - a family from Broistedt in Germany. For others struggling with unusual names, I went to Rootsweb WorldConnect and typed in " Pron* " and that's what came up. Hope it helps. Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Hase" <pat@pathase.demon.co.uk> Subject: [B&D] PRÖNNEBECK I'm afraid as far as I know this has nothing to do with Bristol but are there any listers from Germany who could help me? I've found a marriage in 1882 in Liverpool of a John SIMPSON to an Elisabeth PRÖNNEBECK On later censuses she says she was born in Germany but is a British citizen. She is a 3 x great grandmother of my grandchildren (who were born in this area!). I can find no mention of the surname anywhere else - not on Google, familysearch, ancestry - does anyone recognise it or could give a viable alternative? I've sent for the certificate to see if that helps. Thanks Pat

Hi Pat Try this spelling Prönnecke - a family from Broistedt in Germany. For others struggling with unusual names, I went to Rootsweb WorldConnect and typed in " Pron* " and that's what came up. Hope it helps. Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Hase" <pat@pathase.demon.co.uk> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 11:23 PM Subject: [B&D] PRÖNNEBECK I'm afraid as far as I know this has nothing to do with Bristol but are there any listers from Germany who could help me? I've found a marriage in 1882 in Liverpool of a John SIMPSON to an Elisabeth PRÖNNEBECK On later censuses she says she was born in Germany but is a British citizen. She is a 3 x great grandmother of my grandchildren (who were born in this area!). I can find no mention of the surname anywhere else - not on Google, familysearch, ancestry - does anyone recognise it or could give a viable alternative? I've sent for the certificate to see if that helps. Thanks Pat ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm afraid as far as I know this has nothing to do with Bristol but are there any listers from Germany who could help me? I've found a marriage in 1882 in Liverpool of a John SIMPSON to an Elisabeth PRÖNNEBECK On later censuses she says she was born in Germany but is a British citizen. She is a 3 x great grandmother of my grandchildren (who were born in this area!). I can find no mention of the surname anywhere else - not on Google, familysearch, ancestry - does anyone recognise it or could give a viable alternative? I've sent for the certificate to see if that helps. Thanks Pat

I would love to know when the first car was lost in the sands at WSM or Brean. I recall the fun of watching cars being washed away with the tide on visits to WSM. Not much fun for the owners. Landlubbers were never very good at understanding the tides in the Bristol Channel. Have any of our listers or their families lost their cars to the tides? I recall camping in Padstow and organising a BBQ on the estuary. We went to purchase the food and other families were delegated to collect the driftwood. In the evening when we arrived to find the bonfire and wood there was nothing there. It hadn't occurred to the landlubbers that tides come in and go out! The wood had been taken out to sea!! Were any of your ancestors on the Campbell's Steamers that got stuck occasionally in the mud because they had been delayed in the area between Portishead and Bristol. I know my family regularly took days out down to Ilfracombe or just to Clevedon. I have photographs of them taken by the photographers who stood waiting for the ships to land and everyone would be snapped. I think they asked for addresses and the photographs could be sent on once they had been developed. There are some wonderful photographs of the paddle steamers that were in the Bristol Channel on this site http://freespace.virgin.net/tom.lee/bristol%20channel.htm As for global warming - The Musandam Peninsular which is at the base of the Arabian Gulf, was trillions of years ago, at the North Pole and the lands moved around, not surprising it's now one of the world's hottest countries and quite spectacular with fiords. So, the world is for ever changing and we have to accept that. Sorry to add that, it's just one of my favourite places in the world. Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <familyhunter@family-hunter.co.uk> ! > > And people will still take their cars onto the beach and get stuck! <G> > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/somerset/8249464.stm >

Adrian Olsen wrote: > That's how it looks in these parts. But we are told in the newspapers that > parts of Canada, Siberia and elsewhere are much warmer than normal and a few > days ago it was 30 degrees C in Crete - the highest January figure ever in > the Med. Yet Florida is having light snow I think (do they know what it is?) There was a snow storm across southern US when I was staying in Oklahoma in 1989. There were concerns for the orange crop in Florida. It was quite strange seeing snow and icicles on th oranges :)) Global warming/cooling is a cyclical event as is the shifting of the magnetic poles. It's just Man that's making things worse (IMO). > and parts of the US are completely buried in the stuff. Global warmig may > equal more extremes of weather. So Portishead, Clevedon, Severn Beach and > Weston may yet become tropical paradises (they are already I hear you cry!), > although I suppose the tide will still go out for miles whatever the > climate! And people will still take their cars onto the beach and get stuck! <G> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/somerset/8249464.stm -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton and Greinton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

That's how it looks in these parts. But we are told in the newspapers that parts of Canada, Siberia and elsewhere are much warmer than normal and a few days ago it was 30 degrees C in Crete - the highest January figure ever in the Med. Yet Florida is having light snow I think (do they know what it is?) and parts of the US are completely buried in the stuff. Global warmig may equal more extremes of weather. So Portishead, Clevedon, Severn Beach and Weston may yet become tropical paradises (they are already I hear you cry!), although I suppose the tide will still go out for miles whatever the climate! Adrian O Beckenham, Kent ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert williams" <robert.williams94@googlemail.com> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 2:56 PM Subject: [B&D] Global Warming? > "Global Warming"Has been "Put on Ice"folks. > The Scientists have now admitted it,that the Opposite has happened! > Or to put it another Way,Its Now Called "Global Cooling!" > Any Day now,I am expecting to be able to "Walk Over to Bristol"Via the > Bristol Channel, to do some Genealogy Research,As it will probably Freeze > over for me to Accomplish this Feat! > It sure beats having to pay a Toll over the Bridge! > More Snow forecasted for South Wales and the West Country Tomorrow. > Happy New Year. > Graham. > -- > Graham Williams.of > Canton,Cardiff. > Chairman,"Canton Historical Society". > Glam;FHS;#551. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

"Global Warming"Has been "Put on Ice"folks. The Scientists have now admitted it,that the Opposite has happened! Or to put it another Way,Its Now Called "Global Cooling!" Any Day now,I am expecting to be able to "Walk Over to Bristol"Via the Bristol Channel, to do some Genealogy Research,As it will probably Freeze over for me to Accomplish this Feat! It sure beats having to pay a Toll over the Bridge! More Snow forecasted for South Wales and the West Country Tomorrow. Happy New Year. Graham. -- Graham Williams.of Canton,Cardiff. Chairman,"Canton Historical Society". Glam;FHS;#551.