Hi Charani Sorry, should have made it clear that I was asking someone with a 192.com (or similar) account to check for me. Mike Mike Matthews wrote: > Could someone with access to the electoral roll please send me the details > (off list) for Raymond W and Jean M Martin living in Bristol 2002-4? The electoral rolls aren't organised in alphabetical order by name. They are done alphabetically by ward, then by street, then by house order within the street. Without knowing even the ward, it could be a long job - that's assuming they are actually included in the public electoral roll. If they aren't, then it won't be possible to find them. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton and Greinton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
192.com has a Raymond W Martin with Jean M Martin as other occupant in Bristol - electoral roll 2002 - 4 . It is the first and only result showing under premium results. I feel that Mike must be wanting a search of this site and you need to buy credits to view address. Can anyone help? hope this helps Helen ________________________________ From: Charani <familyhunter@family-hunter.co.uk> To: bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 16 January, 2010 13:43:36 Subject: Re: [B&D] Electoral Roll request Mike Matthews wrote: > Could someone with access to the electoral roll please send me the details > (off list) for Raymond W and Jean M Martin living in Bristol 2002-4? The electoral rolls aren't organised in alphabetical order by name. They are done alphabetically by ward, then by street, then by house order within the street. Without knowing even the ward, it could be a long job - that's assuming they are actually included in the public electoral roll. If they aren't, then it won't be possible to find them. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton and Greinton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
We all have a mystery! Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <familyhunter@family-hunter.co.uk> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [B&D] Accountant > Liz wrote: > >> Presumably Jane had kicked him out as she was Head of House and a widow >> in >> 1871. > > It looks as though she must have done. George returned to Bristol > though because his death is registered there. Wonder what he did to > deserve that; unless the enumerator made some assumptions because > George was away and Jane hadn't completed the schedule correctly.
This is a very good reason for putting our lost people on the list because it often happens that sections are missing on either FMP or Ancestry and most of us have access to just the one organisation. Just because you can't find someone, doesn't mean they are totally missing. Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <familyhunter@family-hunter.co.uk> > I had a look on FMP for Dean Court, George's address in 1861, and the > whole of Dean Court is missing it seems. They no longer offer the > chance to search by piece and folio number now. I've asked them to > have a look to see what's happened.
Liz wrote: > Presumably Jane had kicked him out as she was Head of House and a widow in > 1871. It looks as though she must have done. George returned to Bristol though because his death is registered there. Wonder what he did to deserve that; unless the enumerator made some assumptions because George was away and Jane hadn't completed the schedule correctly. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton and Greinton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk
Mike Matthews wrote: > Could someone with access to the electoral roll please send me the details > (off list) for Raymond W and Jean M Martin living in Bristol 2002-4? The electoral rolls aren't organised in alphabetical order by name. They are done alphabetically by ward, then by street, then by house order within the street. Without knowing even the ward, it could be a long job - that's assuming they are actually included in the public electoral roll. If they aren't, then it won't be possible to find them. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton and Greinton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk
Tony Harrison wrote: > Hi Charani > In 1861 census RG9/1718 folio 138 page 17 I had a look on FMP for Dean Court, George's address in 1861, and the whole of Dean Court is missing it seems. They no longer offer the chance to search by piece and folio number now. I've asked them to have a look to see what's happened. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton and Greinton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk
> Or did George give himself a promotion? :)) He may have been given > the job of keeping the books at the drapers he worked for. Yes, I wondered whether he was just keeping the books for the draper. >> He's there in 1861 as an accountant. What I found amusing was a son, >> Joseph >> "On trial as farmer"!!! > > Given that Joseph was 15 at the time, that was going to be a long > trial! <G> I've never seen that before as an occupation. No, I've never seen that as an occupation before. > >> George is dead by 1871. > > He was in Cardiff in 1871, visiting a LETHREW family in 1871. He died > in Bristol in 1873. Jane died at 85 in 1896. Presumably Jane had kicked him out as she was Head of House and a widow in 1871. Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset
Charani wrote: > It might be worth contacting Bristol Register Office to see if they > can confirm it is him. I phoned Bristol Register Office about Alexander Reginald MAGGS. They have a list of all the registrars from 1905 and he doesn't appear on it. That suggests he may have been a registrar from at least 1901 when he was given as clerk to the Board of Guardians. > Next question: what sort of training, if any, would a registrar have > needed at that time or would his skills as a Clerk been enough? I asked the registrar I spoke to about this and she didn't know. She's going to see what she can find out for me and give me a call next week. The lady she believes would know the answers is off sick at the moment. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton and Greinton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk
Liz wrote: > What was an accountant in those days? Was it a glorified bookkeeper or just > a posh name for a bookkeeper? Did the enumerator misread what he saw or > heard? Or did George give himself a promotion? :)) He may have been given the job of keeping the books at the drapers he worked for. > He's there in 1861 as an accountant. What I found amusing was a son, Joseph > "On trial as farmer"!!! Given that Joseph was 15 at the time, that was going to be a long trial! <G> I've never seen that before as an occupation. > George is dead by 1871. He was in Cardiff in 1871, visiting a LETHREW family in 1871. He died in Bristol in 1873. Jane died at 85 in 1896. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton and Greinton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk
Could someone with access to the electoral roll please send me the details (off list) for Raymond W and Jean M Martin living in Bristol 2002-4? Mike
Tony Harrison wrote: > Hi Charani > In 1861 census RG9/1718 folio 138 page 17 the family has grown > George 58 Accountant > Jane 50 b Exeter Cloisters > Francis J R 20 Printer (Compositer) b Bristol St John > William E 19 Letter Carrier Bristol Post Office b Bristol St John > Joseph W 15 Turner b Bristol St Augustine > John W 9 Scholar b Bristol District St James and St Paul > Jenefred (daug) 13 Scholar b Easton in Gordano > Amelia E 10 Scholar b Bristol District St James and St Paul > > Hope this helps Brilliant!! Many thanks :)) There was another son born after Amelia. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton and Greinton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk
What was an accountant in those days? Was it a glorified bookkeeper or just a posh name for a bookkeeper? Did the enumerator misread what he saw or heard? He's there in 1861 as an accountant. What I found amusing was a son, Joseph "On trial as farmer"!!! George is dead by 1871. Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <familyhunter@family-hunter.co.uk> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 12:25 AM Subject: Re: [B&D] 1841 Census George Maggs, b 1806 > Tony Harrison wrote: >> Hi Charani >> In 1851 his son George aged 19 is also shown as a Linen Draper whilst the >> elder George is now an Accountant Bak???? > > This is what I mean about the job changes. > > He's either an Accountant specialising in bankruptcy (bakrupy), or > he's a bankrupt accountant. Either way it's quite a change from a > linen draper. I doubt there's any way of knowing what happened to him > between the two censuses > > I haven't found the family in 1861 but MAGGS is an easy name to > misread and mistranscribe although I have tried looking for Jenefred > but she doesn't show up either. It could mean they are on a page that > happens to be missing. There are more pages and complete pieces > missing from the 1861 than any other census. > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton and Greinton, SOM > Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
As Charani says, there is only one Clifton. If the Birth Certificate says Clifton, Bristol then that is correct. If the census says Clifton, Somerset then that was the opinion of the person who completed the info. It may be that they moved a bit further down the hill into Long Ashton or Bedminster which would be referred to as Somerset. The two areas abut each other so it's easy to get it wrong. Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset ----- Original Message ----- From: "pyd_zac7" <pyd_zac7@internode.on.net> To: <BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 11:47 PM Subject: [B&D] clifton > One certificate and one census concerning my grandmothers place of birth > says Clifton Bristol and the other Clifton Somerset. > > Copuld anyone clarify if this is the same place or are there two > > thank you > > Michael McDonnell Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
One certificate and one census concerning my grandmothers place of birth says Clifton Bristol and the other Clifton Somerset. Copuld anyone clarify if this is the same place or are there two thank you Michael McDonnell Australia
On 16/01/10 08:27, Charani wrote: <...> >> Next question: what sort of training, if any, would a registrar have >> needed at that time or would his skills as a Clerk been enough? >> > > I asked the registrar I spoke to about this and she didn't know. > <...> For what it's worth ... my grandfather, Percy BISHOP, was Registrar of BMD's for Stroud, Glos., for many, many years, and part of his obituary says: "Leaving school at the age of 15, he worked for a year as a junior clerk at the Phoenix Ironworks, Thrupp, but then entered into his chosen career. In 1912 he became a junior clerk to Mr. Frederick Winterbotham solicitor, at his offices in John Street where his employer was clerk to the old Board of Guardians, clerk to the Stroud RDC and superintendent registrar. In the First World War from 1915 to 1920, Mr. Bishop served with the Gloucestershire Regiment in India, and on his discharge from the Army was appointed vaccination officer. This was his first official appointment. A year later he became Registrar and Relieving Officer for the Bisley sub-district including Bisley, Chalford and Miserden. In 1927 he took over from Mr. Edward Holland, Registrar at Stroud, who was retiring." My grandfather served as Registrar for Stroud until his retirement in 1961. Regards, Jeremy
Hi Charani In 1861 census RG9/1718 folio 138 page 17 the family has grown George 58 Accountant Jane 50 b Exeter Cloisters Francis J R 20 Printer (Compositer) b Bristol St John William E 19 Letter Carrier Bristol Post Office b Bristol St John Joseph W 15 Turner b Bristol St Augustine John W 9 Scholar b Bristol District St James and St Paul Jenefred (daug) 13 Scholar b Easton in Gordano Amelia E 10 Scholar b Bristol District St James and St Paul Hope this helps Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <familyhunter@family-hunter.co.uk> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 12:25 AM Subject: Re: [B&D] 1841 Census George Maggs, b 1806
Tony Harrison wrote: > Hi Charani > In 1851 his son George aged 19 is also shown as a Linen Draper whilst the > elder George is now an Accountant Bak???? This is what I mean about the job changes. He's either an Accountant specialising in bankruptcy (bakrupy), or he's a bankrupt accountant. Either way it's quite a change from a linen draper. I doubt there's any way of knowing what happened to him between the two censuses I haven't found the family in 1861 but MAGGS is an easy name to misread and mistranscribe although I have tried looking for Jenefred but she doesn't show up either. It could mean they are on a page that happens to be missing. There are more pages and complete pieces missing from the 1861 than any other census. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton and Greinton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk
pyd_zac7 wrote: > One certificate and one census concerning my grandmothers place of birth > says Clifton Bristol and the other Clifton Somerset. > > Copuld anyone clarify if this is the same place or are there two It's the same place. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton and Greinton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk
Talking of swimming the Bristol Channel, there's a story in my family that my step gt grandmother Minna Wookey, swam "The Channel" with her hands and feet tied. (We presume it's the Bristol Channel rather than the English Channel!!) Has anyone else heard of such an event? I'd love to know if it was true. Rosalie Balfour Maidenhead UK -----Original Message----- From: bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of robert williams Sent: 13 January 2010 19:53 To: bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com Subject: [B&D] Paddle Steamers of The Bristol Channel. Greetings to all. Its nearly all thawed out now. No need for me to Walk across the Ice no Longer, I will have to "Swim For it"Instead. Anyway,Talking of Paddle Steamers had me thinking of my Great,Grandmother's Sister's Husband, Elijah John Thomas WEST,[Born in Cardiff in 1879] who was the son of Captain John WEST, late of P.& A;CAMPBELL's "White Funnel Fleet"of Paddle steamers of the Bristol Channel. I have found one Photograph of Capt;WEST Stood on the Deck of one of his Paddle Steamers,The "Waverley".He also captianed "The Brighton Queen" and many others.His family were from the Forest of Dean. Elijah's wife was Clara Ellen BOWEN,[1877-1973]who lived to 96.She later Married Robert CASE of the Family of CASE,the Cardiff Florists. Clara's Sister was Florence Elizabeth Mary WILLIAMS,nee BOWEN.[1876-1966]who was my Great,Grandmother. Cheers Graham. -- Graham Williams.of Canton,Cardiff. Chairman,"Canton Historical Society". Glam;FHS;#551. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message