2010/1/17 Charani <familyhunter@family-hunter.co.uk> > > On a similar note: I have a lady who divorced her husband and later > remarried under her maiden name, not her former married name. I guess > she was thoroughly disgusted with him and didn't want to be associated > with him in any way. She didn't have any children with him so it made > it easier for her to right that period out of her life completely. ... or he insisted that she revert to her maiden name and didn't sully his family by continuing to use it! I know of at least one who did that. Karen

Chris Jefferies wrote: > I had several families who just disappeared in the latter part of the 19th > century. They were in earlier census then disappeared even though still > quite young. There was the obvious possibility that they emigrated but > without any clue they could have gone anywhere. The possibility increased as > several siblings also disappeared. If you post up their names, perhaps some of our overseas members will be willing to check censuses or other records to see if any of your families showed up there. FMP has the outbound passenger lists from 1890 but that's not much help for families or individuals who vanish prior to that date. > One family was Mark Flook COX who married Elizabeth PARFITT in June 1870, > but they do not appear in the 1871 census only about 9 months later. > Eventually I did a search for Elizabeth COX in the 1871 census, something I > would normally have done immediately had they been married a little longer. > There she was a Widow age 20 living with her widowed mother. A search on > FreeBMD for a death for husband Mark found it in Dec Q 1870, so she was > widowed after less than 6 months marriage. On a similar note: I have a lady who divorced her husband and later remarried under her maiden name, not her former married name. I guess she was thoroughly disgusted with him and didn't want to be associated with him in any way. She didn't have any children with him so it made it easier for her to right that period out of her life completely. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton and Greinton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

I had several families who just disappeared in the latter part of the 19th century. They were in earlier census then disappeared even though still quite young. There was the obvious possibility that they emigrated but without any clue they could have gone anywhere. The possibility increased as several siblings also disappeared One family was Mark Flook COX who married Elizabeth PARFITT in June 1870, but they do not appear in the 1871 census only about 9 months later. Eventually I did a search for Elizabeth COX in the 1871 census, something I would normally have done immediately had they been married a little longer. There she was a Widow age 20 living with her widowed mother. A search on FreeBMD for a death for husband Mark found it in Dec Q 1870, so she was widowed after less than 6 months marriage. Chris Jefferies Cheltenham Glos -----Original Message----- From: bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Liz Sent: 17 January 2010 12:00 To: bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com Subject: [B&D] Deaths and burials!!! I thought I would invite you all to my "Virtual" Tuesday morning family history gathering! You get a free cup of tea or coffee...I'm afraid you'll have to go and make it yourselves unless you really want to turn up on a Tuesday:-) One of my favourite subjects is "have you killed off your ancestors?" and I know when we get a new member of the group that as soon as my back is turned, the regulars who have been coming for up to 9 years, start discussing this with the newcomers. So, let's get started! Most of you will have some form of family history software which should allow you to show an Ancestral Tree. Open it up and put yourselves at the base and give yourselves 5 generations. For this exercise, I'm actually going to start with my daughter's father at the bottom as my family will only show one person in Bristol. If you haven't got any software yet, get yourselves a large sheet of wallpaper lining (about a yard or meter). The software always puts your paternal line on the left and females on the right. Once you've done this, there are 3 important dates you need to check - births and/or baptisms, marriages and deaths or burials of course! This takes you back to 2xg grandparents. Now, what are you missing????? Deaths/burials of course. Yes, this is the one thing we all fail to complete. So, there are several reasons why you haven't found the deaths/burials: 1. The person emigrated. 2. The female has married again having been widowed and you've missed that. 3. It's a very common name so you really are struggling. 4. They died at sea. 5. They changed their names for a variety of reasons. Any more suggestions? I hope you will not look at your trees as I am doing and let us have your lost women ancestors in the Bristol area (25 mile radius). It could be that they were in Bristol at some stage, either born, married or just passing through so I'm sure Charani is not going to complain if your ancestor is found elsewhere. I'm now going to start an email with those that I am missing to see if anyone can help me. Good hunting. Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.147/2628 - Release Date: 01/17/10 07:35:00

Before I start - apologies for the one typo in my previous message! It's one of my favourite typos and doesn't get picked up on spell check:-) "I hope you will not look at your trees as I am doing and let us have your lost women ancestors in the Bristol area (25 mile radius). " Should, of course read "I hope you will NOW..." Here is one of my lost ladies...details as follows: Born Elizabeth Jane WILLIAMS 19 Sep 1863 at Long Rooms, Clifton, Bristol. Married Samuel Rees THOMAS 6th May 1888 at St Philip & Jacob. They had only 3 children: Elizabeth Sarah THOMAS b.1889 d. 1924 (m. Alfred Samuel Thomas NEWBERY 1908) Samuel THOMAS b.1893 Alfred Daniel THOMAS b.1895 In 1901 they lived at 1 Waterloo Place, Bristol, Samuel was a carter to the grocery trade and the whole family were still living at home. I've tried to find her in 1911 but there doesn't seem to be an Elizabeth THOMAS in the area although there is a Samuel THOMAS who is a possibility. I can't find a death for Elizabeth THOMAS in and around the Bristol area between 1901 and 1911. Samuel Rees THOMAS died 1915. Any sightings much appreciated. This is definitely one of those with a very common name! Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset

I thought I would invite you all to my "Virtual" Tuesday morning family history gathering! You get a free cup of tea or coffee...I'm afraid you'll have to go and make it yourselves unless you really want to turn up on a Tuesday:-) One of my favourite subjects is "have you killed off your ancestors?" and I know when we get a new member of the group that as soon as my back is turned, the regulars who have been coming for up to 9 years, start discussing this with the newcomers. So, let's get started! Most of you will have some form of family history software which should allow you to show an Ancestral Tree. Open it up and put yourselves at the base and give yourselves 5 generations. For this exercise, I'm actually going to start with my daughter's father at the bottom as my family will only show one person in Bristol. If you haven't got any software yet, get yourselves a large sheet of wallpaper lining (about a yard or meter). The software always puts your paternal line on the left and females on the right. Once you've done this, there are 3 important dates you need to check - births and/or baptisms, marriages and deaths or burials of course! This takes you back to 2xg grandparents. Now, what are you missing????? Deaths/burials of course. Yes, this is the one thing we all fail to complete. So, there are several reasons why you haven't found the deaths/burials: 1. The person emigrated. 2. The female has married again having been widowed and you've missed that. 3. It's a very common name so you really are struggling. 4. They died at sea. 5. They changed their names for a variety of reasons. Any more suggestions? I hope you will not look at your trees as I am doing and let us have your lost women ancestors in the Bristol area (25 mile radius). It could be that they were in Bristol at some stage, either born, married or just passing through so I'm sure Charani is not going to complain if your ancestor is found elsewhere. I'm now going to start an email with those that I am missing to see if anyone can help me. Good hunting. Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset

Now that one is new to me :) Yvonne -----Original Message----- From: bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Charani Sent: Sunday, 17 January 2010 10:40 AM To: bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B&D] Accountant Yvonne Scrivener wrote: > For what it's worth, I've not come across the word 'accountant' in my > transcribing - there have been a few accomptants though. I've come across "comptor" but not accomptant. All variations on a theme, it would appear :))

Hi Charani and Nancy Yes, MORGAN was always a Welsh name and due to the proximity of Bristol, they were regularly found in the area. I know quite a few MORGANs in and around the area. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <familyhunter@family-hunter.co.uk> > MORGAN is a fairly common name so it's perfectly possible none of the > families you, Liz and I have are connected. > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton and Greinton, SOM > Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Hi Pat That was my thought. Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Hase" <pat@pathase.demon.co.uk> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 1:31 AM Subject: Re: [B&D] Who was Edith C Asmusson? > Hi Liz > > Emma Elizabeth is registered as ASMUSSON in June qrt 1877 could she be a > daughter of Lucy Emily? > > Edith C was the daughter of Peter John ASMUSSON (born in 1861) - Lucy's > brother. > > Cheers > > Pat > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Liz" <e.newbery@btinternet.com> > To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 9:42 PM > Subject: [B&D] Who was Edith C Asmusson? > > >> There is an Edith Constance ASMUSSON born in Barton Regis registration >> district in 1897. This is a very unusual name. >> >> I've researched some of this family in the past. Peter ASMUSSON arrived >> in >> Bristol from Heligoland and married Mary Ann MURPHY. They had 4 children >> and then Peter vanishes. He could have died at sea. Mary Ann then >> married >> another mariner, Charles James MORGAN. They had 4 children registered. >> In >> the 1881 census there are two 3 year old children 'daughters' but it >> looks >> as though there is one child referred to as Emma ASMUSSON MORGAN! I >> thought >> to start with that she was going to be a twin of Annie MORGAN! I don't >> think so but she's confusing me. >> >> I can't find the MORGANs after this. Any advice? >> >> Liz >> www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery >> OPC for Street, Somerset >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Nancy Frey wrote: > I too have MORGANs in Barton Regis but no connection (yet) to ASMUSSON which > sounds Scandinavian, rather than German. Scandinavian or Icelandic. I have MORGANS from Wales: a William David MORGANS who married Gertrude Harriet LE SANTO (of Cornish stock) who was later wife to one of my cousins (both now deceased but with descendents still living). I also have MORGANs in Bristol: Alec MORGAN who married Patricia MAGGS who are my uncle and aunt in law - and still living. MORGAN is a fairly common name so it's perfectly possible none of the families you, Liz and I have are connected. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton and Greinton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Hi Liz, et al., Just last night, working on my study (now 293 pages) of the ERNLE (and many variants family), I added the marriage of Mrs Jane ERNLE to Edward LOCKET or LOCKETT at Chalbury, Dorset in 1669. The LOCKETT family are featured in an article in 'Notes and Queries for Somerset and Dorset', vol. 9, 1905, pp. 63-64, entitled, "Lockett of Somerset, Dorset, Cornwall and Devon" though alas, that article didn't run to Edward (though it mentioned a Thomas LOCKETT of Charlton Marshall, will dated 1630, and his widow Joan.) Edward LOCKETT was a gent., of Charlton [Marshall], Dorset, and possibly son or grandson of the foregoing Thomas, but I have no idea as to whether he and Jane had children. If one goes back two pages in NQSD to p. 61, one gets an explanation of the LoCKETT pedigree on pp. 63-64. It seems the compiler was a Mr R. Cyril LOCKETT, of "Enmore", Alexandra Drive, Liverpool, as of 24 Nov. 1903, and was investigating various branches of the LOCKETT pedigree. Listers may be interested to know that I found this article via google's advanced book search function. Using a blind proxy server, I was able to view the entire article which is apparently no longer in copyright. It enables me to download it, copy, or print it, or even to alter the printed page into plain text if I wished. Very handy. http://books.google.com/advanced_book_search Copy and paste into any proxy server you choose, and have a go. I used the phrase Thomas LOCKETT and the keyword Charlton and got it immediately when looking for the article today to quote for this message. BTW, the ERNLE family has some connexions to Bristol and so, conceivably, it is possibly that there was migration to Bristol from Dorset by descendants. The Chancellor of the Exchequer, Sir John ERNLE b. ca 1619/20, d. 1697 (baptism so far untraced) had an elder brother Robert EARNELY son of John who was baptised in St Augustine the Less Bristol on 25 Feb. 1619/20. He died while up at Oxford, and so Sir John became the heir to the Whetham, Calne, Wilts. (senior) branch of the family, now represented by Tory candidate, Richard Grosvenor PLUNKETT-ERNLE-ERLE-DRAX, of Charborough House, Dorset. Earlier, I have a reference to a P.C.C. Administration for a Joan ERNELEY, widow, city of Bristol, 1585, of which I have yet to see the particulars. Any references to ERNLE (and variants beginning EAR-, H-, I-, U-, and even Y-) and LOCKETT would be most welcome. Cheers, Richard Vancouver, British Columbia, CANADA Richard Carruthers, M.A. (Oxon.) ---------------------------------------- > From: e.newbery@btinternet.com > To: bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:58:41 +0000 > Subject: [B&D] LOCKETTS > > Today I've been working on the LOCKETT family who came to Bristol between > 1842 and 1849. I've been pursuing them down to current times. Two brothers > have vanished can anyone find them for me. > > Thomas Edward LOCKETT born 1887 in Clifton and James Charles LOCKETT born > 1889 in Bedminster. > > These were the only sons of Thomas LOCKETT and Mary Anne ASMUSSON. Thomas > Sr was in the Merchant Navy so it could well be that the boys took to sea. > > In 1901 the boys were boarding together at the home of George Seaborne and > his wife. Their mother was dead and presumably their father was away at > sea. > > I cannot see a marriage or a death for either of them - did they emigrate? > > Please let me know if there are any sightings of them. > > Liz > www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery > OPC for Street, Somerset > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Say Happy New Year with Messenger for Mobile. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9706117

Hi Tony, Could they have moved to London? My CD 'They lived in Bristol' Burials 1813 50 1837 - No likely entries. FreeBMD - 1850 Jun qtr Lambeth (4 205) - Betty Birt  (no age given) 1840 Mar qtr Lambeth (4 405) - Joseph Birt " 1841 Census -High St, St Nicholas Deptford, Ldn Birt Elizabeth - 60 - Annuitant - No not born in County Pat in Grimsby, Lincs > > So my two lost ladies are Betty Birt b 1778 in Awre and Ann > Jones Birt b > 1813 in Bristol. > Tony > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Liz" <e.newbery@btinternet.com> > To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 11:59 AM > Subject: [B&D] Deaths and burials!!! > > > >  > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Hi Liz, For what it's worth, I've not come across the word 'accountant' in my transcribing - there have been a few accomptants though. Yvonne -----Original Message----- From: bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Liz What was an accountant in those days? Was it a glorified bookkeeper or just a posh name for a bookkeeper? Did the enumerator misread what he saw or heard?

Hi Liz Emma Elizabeth is registered as ASMUSSON in June qrt 1877 could she be a daughter of Lucy Emily? Edith C was the daughter of Peter John ASMUSSON (born in 1861) - Lucy's brother. Cheers Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz" <e.newbery@btinternet.com> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 9:42 PM Subject: [B&D] Who was Edith C Asmusson? > There is an Edith Constance ASMUSSON born in Barton Regis registration > district in 1897. This is a very unusual name. > > I've researched some of this family in the past. Peter ASMUSSON arrived > in > Bristol from Heligoland and married Mary Ann MURPHY. They had 4 children > and then Peter vanishes. He could have died at sea. Mary Ann then > married > another mariner, Charles James MORGAN. They had 4 children registered. > In > the 1881 census there are two 3 year old children 'daughters' but it looks > as though there is one child referred to as Emma ASMUSSON MORGAN! I > thought > to start with that she was going to be a twin of Annie MORGAN! I don't > think so but she's confusing me. > > I can't find the MORGANs after this. Any advice? > > Liz > www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery > OPC for Street, Somerset > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yvonne Scrivener wrote: > For what it's worth, I've not come across the word 'accountant' in my > transcribing - there have been a few accomptants though. I've come across "comptor" but not accomptant. All variations on a theme, it would appear :)) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton and Greinton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Accomptant comes from the French.... (;-)) Edna - Ottawa

There is an Edith Constance ASMUSSON born in Barton Regis registration district in 1897. This is a very unusual name. I've researched some of this family in the past. Peter ASMUSSON arrived in Bristol from Heligoland and married Mary Ann MURPHY. They had 4 children and then Peter vanishes. He could have died at sea. Mary Ann then married another mariner, Charles James MORGAN. They had 4 children registered. In the 1881 census there are two 3 year old children 'daughters' but it looks as though there is one child referred to as Emma ASMUSSON MORGAN! I thought to start with that she was going to be a twin of Annie MORGAN! I don't think so but she's confusing me. I can't find the MORGANs after this. Any advice? Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset

Hi Liz, I too have MORGANs in Barton Regis but no connection (yet) to ASMUSSON which sounds Scandinavian, rather than German. My connection is the marriage of Charles Edward MORGAN to Elizabeth Ann DAVIDGE in 1891. I have Charles & Elizabeth with children living at 7 William Street, St. Philip & Jacob out in the 1901 Census. Any connections to your MORGANs? Regards, Nancy Frey Newcastle, Ontario, CANADA OPC for Ansford & Castle Cary, Somerset Moderator of Yahoo! Catsash Hundred Group Moderator of Yahoo! Glaston Twelve Hides Hundred Group Moderator of Yahoo! NorthWiltshire Group Moderator of Yahoo! SouthWiltshire Group Moderator of Yahoo! WestWiltshire Group Moderator of Yahoo! FULFORD_North Devon Group Moderator of Yahoo! DAVIDGE Connections Group ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz" <e.newbery@btinternet.com> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 4:42 PM Subject: [B&D] Who was Edith C Asmusson? > There is an Edith Constance ASMUSSON born in Barton Regis registration > district in 1897. This is a very unusual name. > > I've researched some of this family in the past. Peter ASMUSSON arrived > in > Bristol from Heligoland and married Mary Ann MURPHY. They had 4 children > and then Peter vanishes. He could have died at sea. Mary Ann then > married > another mariner, Charles James MORGAN. They had 4 children registered. > In > the 1881 census there are two 3 year old children 'daughters' but it looks > as though there is one child referred to as Emma ASMUSSON MORGAN! I > thought > to start with that she was going to be a twin of Annie MORGAN! I don't > think so but she's confusing me. > > I can't find the MORGANs after this. Any advice? > > Liz > www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery > OPC for Street, Somerset

Today I've been working on the LOCKETT family who came to Bristol between 1842 and 1849. I've been pursuing them down to current times. Two brothers have vanished can anyone find them for me. Thomas Edward LOCKETT born 1887 in Clifton and James Charles LOCKETT born 1889 in Bedminster. These were the only sons of Thomas LOCKETT and Mary Anne ASMUSSON. Thomas Sr was in the Merchant Navy so it could well be that the boys took to sea. In 1901 the boys were boarding together at the home of George Seaborne and his wife. Their mother was dead and presumably their father was away at sea. I cannot see a marriage or a death for either of them - did they emigrate? Please let me know if there are any sightings of them. Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset

Hello Listers There is an organisation based in Okehampton, Devon, called The Wren Trust. They maintain the musical traditions of the past, including wassailing. I believe they have a website. Regards Millie

Tonight is the night when your ancestors went Wassailing...dancing and singing around the apple orchards and placing toast at the foot of the trees in the hopes of having a good harvest for the cider apples. I was amused while I was in the US to see Cider for sale but on checking I realised this was not what we call Cider in England - it is non-alcoholic:-) That would not have suited our ancestors or those of us who enjoy a glass or two of real Cider. Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset