Hi Tony I don't really see inconsistencies there. Betty, Betsey, Elizabeth and Eliza were definitely all interchangeable at that stage...and even today. My mother was Ena Elizabeth but her death certificate said Betty and we are only talking 2005! As for "Dealer" - I would think a Commercial Traveller could still be considered a dealer...he was after all dealing. I imagine Commercial Traveller was a fairly new job title. When Elizabeth/Betty's husband died in Lambeth she would naturally move into the home of a member of her family. Good luck. Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Harrison" <a.harrison@tesco.net> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:33 PM Subject: [B&D] Advice wanted- Deaths BIRT's > On 17th January I posted a request regarding the deaths of Joseph and > Betty Birt who in 1830 were living in Castle Street Bristol. > > Pat Cook found two deaths in Lambeth. I considered those as possibles as > their daughter had moved to Lambeth with their two grandchildren. > I ordered the certificates and received them this morning (good service) > Joseph b 1771 d 1840 aged 68 was the right age and living 11 Short Street > Lambeth described as a Dealer in Glass paper. ( Had been a Dealer in > Porter and Bottled Liquor Merchant when in Bristol) > > In 1841 census living in Short Street was a Elizabeth Birt ( did the > enumerator decide Betty was an Elizabeth)aged 50 and an Elizabeth Tucker > of the right age to be her granddaughter but both born in County. > > Betty Birt b 1778 d 1850 certificate showed her to be 71 the right age for > my Betty living 11 Short Street but described as the Widow of John Birt a > Commercial Traveller the informant was not a family member (Her daughter > had died} > > Given the inconsistencies would you consider that I have found my Joseph > and Betty. > Tony > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On 17th January I posted a request regarding the deaths of Joseph and Betty Birt who in 1830 were living in Castle Street Bristol. Pat Cook found two deaths in Lambeth. I considered those as possibles as their daughter had moved to Lambeth with their two grandchildren. I ordered the certificates and received them this morning (good service) Joseph b 1771 d 1840 aged 68 was the right age and living 11 Short Street Lambeth described as a Dealer in Glass paper. ( Had been a Dealer in Porter and Bottled Liquor Merchant when in Bristol) In 1841 census living in Short Street was a Elizabeth Birt ( did the enumerator decide Betty was an Elizabeth)aged 50 and an Elizabeth Tucker of the right age to be her granddaughter but both born in County. Betty Birt b 1778 d 1850 certificate showed her to be 71 the right age for my Betty living 11 Short Street but described as the Widow of John Birt a Commercial Traveller the informant was not a family member (Her daughter had died} Given the inconsistencies would you consider that I have found my Joseph and Betty. Tony

Hi Frank I have some VOWLES and SCRIVEN connections in my TOY family tree - Sarah Emma TOY married George SCRIVEN in 1904, and Matilda TOY married George VOWLES in the same year. Exact location of these marriages not known at present. Mike -----Original Message----- From: bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Frankpoulton Sent: 20 January 2010 17:08 To: BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT@rootsweb.com Subject: [B&D] VOWLES and SCRIVENS Hi all, I am new to this list but not to Genealogy. I am researching VOWLES and SCRIVENS, mainly from the Bristol, East Dean, Blaisdon areas. Especially any birth, marriages or deaths from Holy Trinity, St Stephen and St John Churches. from the mid 19th Century until the early 20th Century. If anyone is related or can help me out then I would be ever so grateful. Kindest regards Frank Poulton ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marsha, Thanks for locating the marriage of Robert Coole and Hannah Burgess for me. It's much appreciated. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stringer" <stringer@mstringer.net> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [B&D] Samuel COOLE & Hannah BEES, Bitton > Hi David, > > I'm not sure what I found. > > Two marriages on the same day in Bitton: > > Per BAFHS CD Vol 9, Marriages 1754-1812, Bitton > BITTON 3C 207 826 24.05.1802 COOL ROBERT BACH OTP HANNAH BURGES SPIN OTP B > BITTON 3C 208 827 24.05.1802 COOL SAMUEL BACH OTP SARAH GLANCEY SPIN OTP B > > > No baptisms for children of Robert/Hannah in any of the CDs that I've been > able to find. Looked under COOL/S; COLL/S; COOL/S > Could either of these be your Samuel? Can Hannah be Elizabeth? Maybe > s/o Samuel vs Robert? > > Surname Forename Date Father's Forename Mother's Forename Parish Reg Page > Number Birth/Age > COOL, SAMUEL 4/3/1803 ROBERT/ELIZABETH HANHAM 1d 81 17 > COOL, SAMUEL 12/19/1830 SAMUEL/SARAH Oldland 2a 240 1113 19 YRS [If 19 in > 1830, then b 1811] > > > > > Marsha Stringer (nee MEERE) > stringer@mstringer.net > USA > www.bittonfamilies.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dave > Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 6:45 AM > To: bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com > Subject: [B&D] Samuel COOLE & Hannah BEES, Bitton > > Samuel Colle marfried Hannah Bees on 18 May 1834 at St. Mary's Bitton. I > believe Samuel's parents to Robert Cole and Hannah Burgess. > Can somebody identify when they mere married and if they had other > offspring (including Samuel)? > > Many thanks > > David Blackmore > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Frankpoulton wrote: > Hi all, I am new to this list but not to Genealogy. I am researching VOWLES > and SCRIVENS, mainly from the Bristol, East Dean, Blaisdon areas. > > Especially any birth, marriages or deaths from Holy Trinity, St Stephen and > St John Churches. from the mid 19th Century until the early 20th Century. > > If anyone is related or can help me out then I would be ever so grateful. It's a bit difficult to know whether my VOWLES family is related to yours because you've not given any information. The more you can tell us, the better able we are to offer help and guidance. Can you give us names and dates, etc? I know there are a couple of others with VOWLES links as well. We'll need more information from you though. Help us to help you :)) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton and Greinton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Hi all, I am new to this list but not to Genealogy. I am researching VOWLES and SCRIVENS, mainly from the Bristol, East Dean, Blaisdon areas. Especially any birth, marriages or deaths from Holy Trinity, St Stephen and St John Churches. from the mid 19th Century until the early 20th Century. If anyone is related or can help me out then I would be ever so grateful. Kindest regards Frank Poulton

Hi David The COOLE family were part of the notorious Cock Road Gang of Bitton parish which included the infamous CAINES family. They very often had aliases so could make your task of going back further difficult. Lots has been written about the Cock Road Gang so you can probably Google for more information. Even my WILMOTT family were involved as were many other local families from this area between Kingswood and Hanham. Hope this helps. Bernice

Hi David, I'm not sure what I found. Two marriages on the same day in Bitton: Per BAFHS CD Vol 9, Marriages 1754-1812, Bitton BITTON 3C 207 826 24.05.1802 COOL ROBERT BACH OTP HANNAH BURGES SPIN OTP B BITTON 3C 208 827 24.05.1802 COOL SAMUEL BACH OTP SARAH GLANCEY SPIN OTP B No baptisms for children of Robert/Hannah in any of the CDs that I've been able to find. Looked under COOL/S; COLL/S; COOL/S Could either of these be your Samuel? Can Hannah be Elizabeth? Maybe s/o Samuel vs Robert? Surname Forename Date Father's Forename Mother's Forename Parish Reg Page Number Birth/Age COOL, SAMUEL 4/3/1803 ROBERT/ELIZABETH HANHAM 1d 81 17 COOL, SAMUEL 12/19/1830 SAMUEL/SARAH Oldland 2a 240 1113 19 YRS [If 19 in 1830, then b 1811] Marsha Stringer (nee MEERE) stringer@mstringer.net USA www.bittonfamilies.com -----Original Message----- From: bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 6:45 AM To: bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com Subject: [B&D] Samuel COOLE & Hannah BEES, Bitton Samuel Colle marfried Hannah Bees on 18 May 1834 at St. Mary's Bitton. I believe Samuel's parents to Robert Cole and Hannah Burgess. Can somebody identify when they mere married and if they had other offspring (including Samuel)? Many thanks David Blackmore

Samuel Colle marfried Hannah Bees on 18 May 1834 at St. Mary's Bitton. I believe Samuel's parents to Robert Cole and Hannah Burgess. Can somebody identify when they mere married and if they had other offspring (including Samuel)? Many thanks David Blackmore

Pleased to help - I've had a lot of help from the group. There's no sign of him (or any other Ando, Andow or Andoe in Queensland but there are a few Andows and Andoes in Victoria https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search Just put the surname in and hit enter - don't worry about any other fields. It will come up a number of "records shown on 1 page". It cost 99 Australian cents to view it - at the exchange rate that's very cheap. Might be worth a try on both spellings. I've never used that system so I'm not sure how much info is on it. There's also the marriage of a Charles Andoe in NSW and the birth and death of an infant son, all occuring in 1886. Probably not worth following up as it's much more expensive here in NSW, aound $17 each through a transcription agent. Do you know about the National Library of Australia's digitised newspapers? I did a quick search and found his pardon. For example. Sydney Morning Herald, November 25, 1848 (but I think the pardon date was 1st October) CONDITIONAL PARDON.-HÍS Excellency the Governor has directed it to be notified, that Her Majesty has been pleased to authorise the issue of Pardons to the undermentioned persons, on condition that they do not return to the countries or colonies from which they were respectively transported during the remainder of the term of their respective sentences. Pardons available everywhere, save in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. Dated 1st October, 1848. Uriah Ando, Claudine; http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/search?adv=y

Hi Liz Wish I could come. I'm having enormous problems with broadband, and am in library, deleting 150 emails. Joy ---- Liz <e.newbery@btinternet.com> wrote: > I thought I would invite you all to my "Virtual" Tuesday morning family > history gathering! You get a free cup of tea or coffee...I'm afraid you'll > have to go and make it yourselves unless you really want to turn up on a > Tuesday:-) > > One of my favourite subjects is "have you killed off your ancestors?" and I > know when we get a new member of the group that as soon as my back is > turned, the regulars who have been coming for up to 9 years, start > discussing this with the newcomers. > > So, let's get started! > > Most of you will have some form of family history software which should > allow you to show an Ancestral Tree. Open it up and put yourselves at the > base and give yourselves 5 generations. For this exercise, I'm actually > going to start with my daughter's father at the bottom as my family will > only show one person in Bristol. If you haven't got any software yet, get > yourselves a large sheet of wallpaper lining (about a yard or meter). The > software always puts your paternal line on the left and females on the > right. Once you've done this, there are 3 important dates you need to > check - births and/or baptisms, marriages and deaths or burials of course! > This takes you back to 2xg grandparents. > > Now, what are you missing????? Deaths/burials of course. Yes, this is the > one thing we all fail to complete. > > So, there are several reasons why you haven't found the deaths/burials: > 1. The person emigrated. > 2. The female has married again having been widowed and you've missed > that. > 3. It's a very common name so you really are struggling. > 4. They died at sea. > 5. They changed their names for a variety of reasons. > > Any more suggestions? > > I hope you will not look at your trees as I am doing and let us have your > lost women ancestors in the Bristol area (25 mile radius). It could be that > they were in Bristol at some stage, either born, married or just passing > through so I'm sure Charani is not going to complain if your ancestor is > found elsewhere. > > I'm now going to start an email with those that I am missing to see if > anyone can help me. > > Good hunting. > Liz > www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery > OPC for Street, Somerset > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi List, I have been reading a fascinating book by Bill Bryson called "Shakespeare". On page 110 he discusses the variable & casual approach taken to spelling in the Elizabethan era. Christopher Marlowe signed his own name "Cristofer Marley" in his only surviving signature! His university records at Cambridge are for "Christopher Marlen". He was also called Morley & Merlin! Philip Henshaw sometimes signed himself "Hensley" & others wrote Hinshley, Hinchlow, Hensclow, Hynchlowes, Inchlow, Hinchloe....There are eighty different known spellings of Shakespeare from Shappere to Shaxberd! No wonder we struggle to find our ancestors! >From Jenny, Sydney, Australia http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~becher/index.htm

Seeing your first sentence about the IGI made me wonder if you have also had a communication from the "LDS Police"! Some years ago on an email list someone was asking for help as they were unable to find their Bristol family in the IGI. In reply I made a similar comment about the shortcomings of the IGI in general and for Bristol in particular. I had a very long rambling email from a church member annoyed at what he saw as my criticism of the LDS organisation. Chris Jefferies Cheltenham Glos -----Original Message----- From: bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Phil Warn Sent: 18 January 2010 20:21 To: bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com Subject: [B&D] BADS - Burials and Deaths HI Liz, Given that very few appear in the IGI (hush my mouth!) Not that I rely on Mormon offerings without trying to check each and every one. Especially ones in < & > or are clearly user submissions. So, here are a few in the elasticated B&D area for you all. (A) Elizabeth CRIPPS married Thomas HINTON on 7 December 1693 in Cirencester. They had children, born from 1694 to 1701 in Ciren. Where did she die or was buried. please? She was one of my 6th GGMs. Did Sir Stifford Crapps live locally? More later. Thanks Phil ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.149/2630 - Release Date: 01/18/10 07:35:00

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Hi Liz, Version 3 should be out soon: http://www.ffhs.org.uk/projects/nbi/nbi-overview.php Yvonne Scrivener Canberra ACT Australia -----Original Message----- From: bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Liz I'm wondering how the National Burial Index is doing these days? Does anyone have their latest CD and, if so, what areas and time frame are covered? My friend is considering purchasing a copy. Finding deaths in the earlier years is not so easy unless you are researching in Cornwall:-)

G'day Listers, My 3ggrand father George WYATT is my biggest mystery. My earliest piece of info on George is his marriage to Mary DYER at St. Paul's Portland Square Bristol 27 November 1828. Next I have his eldest son's baptism (William WYATT my 2ggrand father) 7 November 1830 at St Andrew's Clifton, where George & Mary were living at Princes Place, St Paul & George's occupation is a Cook. In 1841 Census the family was living in Bath, but George is not at home and an exhaustive search of Bath 1841 did not find him in Bath. Similar happens in 1851 but the family has moved back to St. Paul Bristol and again George is not at home. In both census Mary is not listed as a widow. In 1856 my 2ggrand father is married at St Andrews Clifton on 20 August. The certificate lists George as his father and occupation is a cook. In the 1861 census Mary is living with her second eldest son and listed as a widow. I also have a birth certificate of George & Mary's 3rd son Alexander in Bath in late 1837, with George supplying the information, again his occupation is a cook. A search of freeBMD has not located a possible death for George. I'm not only looking for George's death, but also his birth/baptism. Regards, Chris Wyatt, in sunny Bendigo, Australia.

Hi, We must remember that the LDS information is done by volunteers. If you have ever copied, typed, transcriptions in the dark you will understand the hard work that is done. I have always found the people at our local branch to be most generous and helpful. Visit one and order some of their film and fiche, you will be surprised what you can find. Cheers, Edna - (;-)ttawa

Robyn Horan wrote: > Hi Charani, > > In case you haven't seen these - your Uriah gets a mention on page 7 > as having had a Ticket of Leave cancelled in 1843. > > http://gazette.slv.vic.gov.au/images/1843/N/general/44.pdf > > And here - for his conditional pardon on page 2 > > http://gazette.slv.vic.gov.au/images/1848/N/general/135.pdf Many thanks for those links :)) That's information I didn't have before. I have a feeling Uriah went AWOl three times in all because he tried three times to get his ToL before he was finally successful. > I didn't see any reference to requesting permission for his family to > come here. You could try posting to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS rootsweb > list. The woman who runs that list, Lesley Uebel, is THE specialist in > convict records. She can probably tell you what colour his hair was. I don't think he did ask for them to join him in Australia. I'm fairly sure he left Australia and asked his family to join him wherever he was heading but it would still be worth putting a piece about him on Lesley's list just in case somebody finds something about him. Thank you for mentioning her list. Lesley has already helped me with quite a bit of information :)) One thing that has occurred to me is that Eleanor may have remarried but under her maiden name. MARSH is a fairly common name, so she won't be easy to find. FreeREG may be able to help. If she did then that could also account for Emily Maud's disappearance as well, but not George's. There was another convict named ANDOW who was alias ANDREWS. I also know that an ANDOW family who emigrated to Canada turned up as ANDREWS over there. > Good luck. Thanks :)) I think I'm going to need it :)) Again, many thanks :)) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton and Greinton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Hi Charani, In case you haven't seen these - your Uriah gets a mention on page 7 as having had a Ticket of Leave cancelled in 1843. http://gazette.slv.vic.gov.au/images/1843/N/general/44.pdf And here - for his conditional pardon on page 2 http://gazette.slv.vic.gov.au/images/1848/N/general/135.pdf I didn't see any reference to requesting permission for his family to come here. You could try posting to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS rootsweb list. The woman who runs that list, Lesley Uebel, is THE specialist in convict records. She can probably tell you what colour his hair was. Good luck. Cheers Robyn 2010/1/18 Charani <familyhunter@family-hunter.co.uk>: > Uriah ANDOW was transported for life in 1828, eventually received his > Ticket of Leave in 1849 (IIRC) and was free to travel wherever he > wanted except back to England. > > He'd married Eleanor (or Ellen) MARSH in 1822 and they had a son, > George, baptised 27 March 1826. > > Eleanor had a dau, Emily Maud, baptised 15 June 1834. > > There is no sign of Uriah after he received his ToL. > > Ther is no sign of Eleanor (or Ellen) after 1834. > > There's no sign of Emily Maud after 1834. > > George is living with his grandfather, Richard ANDOW, in 1841 and John > and Elizabeth SMITH.  In 1851, George is still living with John and > Elizabeth and is referred to as their nephew.  That's the last known > sighting of George. > > Now, did Uriah make his way back to England via another country, > collect his family and move them to another county or country, > changing his name in the process? > > Did he in some way contact his family and ask them to join him? > > Did Uriah die? > > Did Eleanor marry again elsewhere? > > FreeBMD don't have a marriage for Emily Maud between 1850 and 1900. > > What happened to George? > > Some of Uriah's extended family ended up in Bristol and the > surrounding area, one of whom married into another vanishing family! > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton and Greinton, SOM > Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Phil, you are welcome. In the CDs the marriage is listed under the names index but if you look for it under the by-parish entry there is usually more info, hence Walcot. It also shows they were married by Licence. A look at Boyd's Marriage Index on the "Origins Network.com" gives Sarah's name as "Murphot", this is also mentioned on the B&AFHS CD as an alternative name. I also spotted that in 1726 a Morford married a West according the the Marriage Licence Allegations Index - Vicar-General. More details of this entry requires cash I'm sorry to say as it is a pay-for-a-copy on "Origins Network.com". The "applicant", usually the groom but not always, was named West so if this is Sarah's parents then her mother would have been Elizabeth West as you suggest. A lot of speculation but worth researching I would suggest. Hope this helps. -----Original Message----- From: Phil Warn [mailto:philwarnorp@googlemail.com] Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 7:01 PM To: lawrencelowe@yahoo.co.uk; bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B&D] Birth/Baptism for Sarah MORFORD, please Hi Lawrence, Brilliant. I must have missed the Walcott mention in my bumper set of eleven B&A FHS CDs. Interesting as SM's own mother was an Elizabeth WEST! A cousin marriage perhaps? I must now track down Walcott PRs then Very many thanks Best regards Phil On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 5:08 PM, LawrenceLowe <lawrencelowe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > Phil, > > I just looked at the marriage of Charles and Sarah on the B&AFHS CDs > and see that she came from Walcot in Somerset. A few months later an > Elizabeth Morford married a John West in Dyhram, also from Walcot > (sisters?). My CDs don't cover Somerset and the Gloucs ones stop at > 1754 which will be after Sarah's birth. A quick Google found this > >  http://www.familydeeds.org/ST23.php > > You will see the parents of Elizabeth Morford named in this and Sarah > and Charles mentioned; could be worth following up. > > Lawrence Lowe > Dunfermline > > -----Original Message----- > From: bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Phil > Warn > Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 11:30 AM > To: bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com > Subject: [B&D] Birth/Baptism for Sarah MORFORD, please > > > Dear all, > > I am truly grateful to the folk who transcribed the PR records that > appear on the B&A FHS CDs. > > [ As I have said before, that broke down a 20 year old wall. ] > > Now, can any one please help me find my 5th great GM? > > She married Charles SNELL in Dyrham on 30th October 1769. > > He was born and baptised in Dyrham in 1733, son of William and > Elizabeth (née WEST). > > So, whence haileth Sarah? > > No prizes, but a great load of thanks from me if you do., > > Thanks > > Phil > [ Who lives in the Stapleton Road estate in Orpington. ] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >