Somerset photography... Thanks to BBC site. Edna - Ottawa >>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/somerset/content/image_galleries/aisholt_snow_david_holman_gallery.shtml?1

Just google: History hundred of Carhampton county Somerset by James Savage Cheers, Edna - Ottawa --- Edna

Liz wrote: > I'm afraid it's one of those programmes where I am sat there > shouting at the screen and telling them what they should be doing!! > I just object that it's on at 9am in the morning. I usually miss > it for one reason or another and have to catch up later. I don't have a TV at all so have to watch everything via iPlayer or the ITV equivalent, hence I tend to miss things I'd like to see. > I didn't see this mornings edition as I went out onto the beach > doing some beachcombing. Successful? -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

From: "Charani" <familyhunter@family-hunter.co.uk> > As an aside, thanks for mentioning this and to Brad for naming the > person in question. I don't normally watch the programme at all but > I'll make an exception because I have some CLIMPSONs, not close enough > to lay any claims though :)) I'm afraid it's one of those programmes where I am sat there shouting at the screen and telling them what they should be doing!! I just object that it's on at 9am in the morning. I usually miss it for one reason or another and have to catch up later. I didn't see this mornings edition as I went out onto the beach doing some beachcombing. Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset

Liz wrote: > We are just as legit. We are heir hunters:-) Unfortunately, "they" don't agree. As an aside, thanks for mentioning this and to Brad for naming the person in question. I don't normally watch the programme at all but I'll make an exception because I have some CLIMPSONs, not close enough to lay any claims though :)) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Brad Rogers wrote: > If the law says they can't be put online, with out exception, how come > there's an exception? A rhetorical question, that. <G> There's an exception because it's for the protection of the people - and costs less than it would to refund the money to innocent victims. It would be interesting to know how many cases of ID theft the system has thwarted but I doubt that informtion would be available even under the FoI Act. > Good 'ole Inglish (deliberate) law, eh? Seems a bit like the Mock > Turtle; It means exactly what I want it to mean. No more, and no less. :)) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <familyhunter@family-hunter.co.uk> Certs aren't allowed to be downloadable online or by email and won't be until an Act of Parliament allows them to be *but* for firms who do such jobs as in Heir Hunters, insurance companies, etc, it is possible for them to access the information online. Typical...just out luck. Thus such firms do have the access they claim but it's very misleading for family historians and genealogists who'd love to be able to do the same. Only those who have a legitimate reason for requiring the data can sign up for it and the fee is quite steep. Family history doesn't count. We are just as legit. We are heir hunters:-) Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset

On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:04:00 +0000 Charani <familyhunter@family-hunter.co.uk> wrote: Hello Charani, > It's all to do with attempts to prevent ID fraud. Firms can sign up Ah, that old chestnut.... > to receive all the latest deaths at regular intervals. IIRC, this is > weekly. Thus such firms do have the access they claim but it's very If the law says they can't be put online, with out exception, how come there's an exception? A rhetorical question, that. Good 'ole Inglish (deliberate) law, eh? Seems a bit like the Mock Turtle; It means exactly what I want it to mean. No more, and no less. > misleading for family historians and genealogists who'd love to be > able to do the same. Only those who have a legitimate reason for > requiring the data can sign up for it and the fee is quite steep. I'll bet it is. :-( > Family history doesn't count. Of course, that's a given. :-) -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent"

Liz wrote: > Hello Brad > > I was just starting to respond to your earlier email when I noticed this one > coming in and, yes, that is why I was putting this on the list and querying > how they managed to do this. It was obviously found immediately on the day > the information was provided by the government so, like you, I have no idea > where or how they did it and I want to know as it would be useful to all of > us to know how they did this having just ordered the second batch of 6 Death > Certificates. I don't mind paying my £7 per certificate but I would love to > be able to order online. Certs aren't allowed to be downloadable online or by email and won't be until an Act of Parliament allows them to be *but* for firms who do such jobs as in Heir Hunters, insurance companies, etc, it is possible for them to access the information online. It's all to do with attempts to prevent ID fraud. Firms can sign up to receive all the latest deaths at regular intervals. IIRC, this is weekly. Thus such firms do have the access they claim but it's very misleading for family historians and genealogists who'd love to be able to do the same. Only those who have a legitimate reason for requiring the data can sign up for it and the fee is quite steep. Family history doesn't count. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:40:00 -0000 "Liz" <e.newbery@btinternet.com> wrote: Hello Liz, > the information was provided by the government so, like you, I have no > idea where or how they did it and I want to know as it would be useful > to all of us to know how they did this having just ordered the second > batch of 6 Death Certificates. I don't mind paying my £7 per > certificate but I would love to be able to order online. The only thing I can think of is that somebody, somewhere has scanned a copy of the cert and put it online. Not that I can find it using a search engine. :-( Whilst we're allowed to put the *data* on a web site, the *image* of the certificate is Crown Copyright, and the GRO take a very dim view of them being made available online. Of course, in their typical fashion, the producers of "Heir Hunters" have glossed over the details, giving insufficient info. :-( -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent"

Hello Brad I was just starting to respond to your earlier email when I noticed this one coming in and, yes, that is why I was putting this on the list and querying how they managed to do this. It was obviously found immediately on the day the information was provided by the government so, like you, I have no idea where or how they did it and I want to know as it would be useful to all of us to know how they did this having just ordered the second batch of 6 Death Certificates. I don't mind paying my £7 per certificate but I would love to be able to order online. Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Rogers" <brad@fineby.me.uk> > Hello Liz, > >> whether you have been watching Heir Hunters - you can see it online - >> it was Wednesday's edition. See what you can make of it. > > Right, ignore last message; Watched a bit more. For those interested, > it occurs just after 7 minutes into the programme and clearly shows the > death cert, and the voice over says "access ..... online". > > I've no idea where or how they did it, but it /shouldn't/ be possible. > > -- > Regards _ > / ) "The blindingly obvious is > / _)rad never immediately apparent"

On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:56:13 -0000 "Liz" <e.newbery@btinternet.com> wrote: Hello Liz, > whether you have been watching Heir Hunters - you can see it online - > it was Wednesday's edition. See what you can make of it. Right, ignore last message; Watched a bit more. For those interested, it occurs just after 7 minutes into the programme and clearly shows the death cert, and the voice over says "access ..... online". I've no idea where or how they did it, but it /shouldn't/ be possible. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent"

On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:56:13 -0000 "Liz" <e.newbery@btinternet.com> wrote: Hello Liz, > know whether you have been watching Heir Hunters - you can see it Sometimes I do, if I a) remember and b) have the time. :-) > online - it was Wednesday's edition. See what you can make of it. Was this the Ethel Climpson one? (I've just watched the first few minutes). What was shown on screen was not the Death Certificate, but the information at the Bona Vacantia web site, which gives her name, date and place of death. It used to include value of the estate, but that's no longer the case since it lead to too many bogus claimants coming forward on the more valuable estates. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent"

I think this was 2008 and that year is not on line on an Index as far as I can see. I know about the Index as I use it regularly. I don't know whether you have been watching Heir Hunters - you can see it online - it was Wednesday's edition. See what you can make of it. Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Rogers" <brad@fineby.me.uk> > In that case, all they'll have seen is the index. That will include > DoB, enabling the company to quickly locate a birth event, and then order > that cert. as well. > > The law precludes putting the actual registration data online in England > and Wales. Scotland, as has been shown, has different legislation and > Scottish certs *can* be viewed online. However, even then, there are > restrictions. > > -- > Regards _ > / ) "The blindingly obvious is > / _)rad never immediately apparent"

On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:44:23 -0000 "Liz" <e.newbery@btinternet.com> wrote: Hello Liz, > Hi Karen - No, it was a recent death in Islington London. In that case, all they'll have seen is the index. That will include DoB, enabling the company to quickly locate a birth event, and then order that cert. as well. The law precludes putting the actual registration data online in England and Wales. Scotland, as has been shown, has different legislation and Scottish certs *can* be viewed online. However, even then, there are restrictions. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent"

Hi Karen - No, it was a recent death in Islington London. Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Lynn" <karenalynn@gmail.com> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [B&D] Accessing Death Certificates online > On 28 January 2010 10:35, Liz <e.newbery@btinternet.com> wrote: > >> While watching yesterday's episode of Heir Hunters on BBC, they referred >> to >> obtaining a Death Certificate "online". By this I got the impression >> that >> they found it online and didn't order it online. Can anyone explain >> this? >> > > Was the death in Scotland? I believe they can be accessed on-line. I'm > not > aware of a way to view English death certificates on-line - unless anyone > else knows differently? > > Karen > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On 28 January 2010 10:35, Liz <e.newbery@btinternet.com> wrote: > While watching yesterday's episode of Heir Hunters on BBC, they referred to > obtaining a Death Certificate "online". By this I got the impression that > they found it online and didn't order it online. Can anyone explain this? > Was the death in Scotland? I believe they can be accessed on-line. I'm not aware of a way to view English death certificates on-line - unless anyone else knows differently? Karen

While watching yesterday's episode of Heir Hunters on BBC, they referred to obtaining a Death Certificate "online". By this I got the impression that they found it online and didn't order it online. Can anyone explain this? Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset

Ia mtrying to locate the parents of Charles Barnes who was born c. 1813 and who married Harriet Duck on 24 February 1839. The only thing I know about Charles' parents is that they were called Thomas Barnes and Susannah. She died c. December 1825 and was buried on 1 January 1826. David Blackmore

Robert I picked up your email regarding Captain John West through the Bristol and District roots website. My Great Grandfather was also a captain with the Campbells steamers, he was one of the seamen who brought the steamers from the Clyde to the Severn at the end of the 1800's. He settled in Bristol and worked for the company for many years on several of the boats. In researching this branch of the family I purchased two books by Chris Collard on P & A Campbell steamers. In one there are several references to your John West including a photograph of him when he captained The Brighton Queen. There are several references in the book re: John West including brief reference to his death and the way that the company paid respect to him. Book details: P & A Campbell Steamers The Edwardian Era by Chris Collard Tempus Publishing Ltd The Mill Brimscombe Port Stroud Glouc GL5 2QG Hope this is of use. Regards Susan Carpenter -------------------------------------------------- From: "robert williams" <robert.williams94@googlemail.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 7:53 PM To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Subject: [B&D] Paddle Steamers of The Bristol Channel. > Greetings to all. > Its nearly all thawed out now. > No need for me to Walk across the Ice no Longer, > I will have to "Swim For it"Instead. > Anyway,Talking of Paddle Steamers had me thinking of my > Great,Grandmother's > Sister's Husband, Elijah John Thomas WEST,[Born in Cardiff in 1879] who > was > the son of Captain John WEST, late of P.& A;CAMPBELL's "White Funnel > Fleet"of Paddle steamers of the Bristol Channel. > I have found one Photograph of Capt;WEST Stood on the Deck of one of his > Paddle Steamers,The "Waverley".He also captianed "The Brighton Queen" and > many others.His family were from the Forest of Dean. > Elijah's wife was Clara Ellen BOWEN,[1877-1973]who lived to 96.She later > Married Robert CASE of the Family of CASE,the Cardiff Florists. > Clara's Sister was Florence Elizabeth Mary WILLIAMS,nee > BOWEN.[1876-1966]who > was my Great,Grandmother. > Cheers Graham. > > -- > Graham Williams.of > Canton,Cardiff. > Chairman,"Canton Historical Society". > Glam;FHS;#551. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >