Hi Marina, --- On Wed, 10/2/10, Borlands <theborlands@woosh.co.nz> wrote: > Of, Jane Arnold, very little is known. In 1816 she had a > daughter out of wedlock, when I guess she was quite young. > > The child was born at Aust and named, Sarah Arnold. Sarah > immigrated to Australia in 1848. There is a baptism of a SARAH ARNOLD, mother's name JANE, on 2.06.1816 at Alveston Ref: 2a 9 72. The only additional information given is that Sarah was BASE-BORN and Jane was a servant. > Australian marriage and death certificates held for one of Sarah's > daughters cite her mother's maiden name as being, Sarah Power. Could > there be a clue here perhaps as to who Sarah's mother possibly had > married? > > I note that, Family Search, provides a marriage for, a Jane Arnold to a > William Power in Feb, 1819 at Henbury. A maybe of course. The reference for this marriage which took place on 23.02.1819 between WILLIAM POWER, LABOURER, OTP, and JANE ARNOLD, SPIN OTP, by Bans is Henbury 19 2 > Is anyone able to provide assistance for a possible birth > for, Jane Arnold, parents unknown? There is a baptism of a JANE ARNOLD to WILLIAM and HANNAH on 25.03.1799, at ALVESTON Ref. 1a 34 6 1 39 Also in ALVESTON Ref. 3A 37 108, there is a marriage by bans of a William ARNOLD on 16.08.1792 to a HANNAH MORGAN BANKS All these baptisms/marriages can be found on the Bristol and Avon FHS CDs It may not be the right Jane, but it is possible that she was a servant in Aust and returned home to Alveston to have the baby baptised. Jacky ======================================================================== Jacky Jackson-Cox Personal web page: http://www.btinternet.com/~jacky3/ Last updated 01/02/2009

Many thanks Alan, I shall give him a go, my mariner is missing from a couple of census's and assuming he is at sea I'd like to find out anything I can about him. thanks again andy On 10/02/2010 22:23, Alan Boulton wrote: > Hi Andy: > Try "Guildhall, Manuscripts"<Manuscripts.Guildhall@cityoflondon.gov.uk> The archivist there was very helpful. I had success tracing the voyages of my great grandfather. He was a master mariner from Bristol. He sailed from the mid 1800's to about 1871 when died abroad or at sea. > > Good luck > > Alan (Toronto > > > From: andy chippett<andychippett@googlemail.com> > Subject: [B&D] Bristol seamen > To: bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:36 PM > > Hi Listers, > Can anyone enlighten my ageing memory please........I seem to recall > within the last 12 months? or so someone posting a link to a site where > names of Bristol seamen were listed with the names of their ships?? > I have been through the archives to no avail, I'm sure I didn't dream > it? Does anyone else remember or know of the site I am looking for? > > Regards > andy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi There are two main possibilities that occur to me:- Muller Orphanages which opened in 1836 - the records are held by the Muller Foundation - see http://www.mullers.org/cm/ The 'Blue Maids' Orphanage - around from the late 1700's - their records are now with the Bristol Records Office - including the admissions and leavers books http://www.bristol.gov.uk/ccm/navigation/leisure-and-culture/records-and-archives Regards Dave --- Original Message ----- From: "Borlands" <theborlands@woosh.co.nz> To: <BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 8:23 PM Subject: [B&D] Orphans and Orphanages in Bristol > Hello Everyone, > > Are there any records available for orphananges in Bristol? > > Looking for an, Amelia Greening, who was born in London in 1838. Her > mother > died in childbirth and apparently Amelia grew up in an orphanage in > Bristol. > Her father's name is unknown, but was a watchmaker by occupation. > > In 1857, Amelia, giving her age as 21, emigrated to Australia. > > My thanks for assistance. > > Regards, > > Marina > New Zealand > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2679 - Release Date: 02/10/10 07:40:00

On 10 Feb 2010 at 13:02, Phil Warn wrote: > I gave up with Nat West Bank security long ago. > > To prove who I was on the phone they wanted my mother's maiden name > and my place of birth - Leeds. > > For seven pounds. the GRO would supply any one with that! > > Bank security is a farce, no other words for it. > I thought everyone - or nearly everyone - knew that the vast majority of companies, government departments, local councils and other bodies are run by bureaucratic cretins who haven't yet caught up with the Internet age. I have found a quite stunning lack of awareness amongst these institutions that the GRO birth indexes are online in several places and that, since the third quarter of 1911, the indexes supply the maiden name of the mother. Thus anyone born in virtually the last 100 years in England & Wales will have their mother's maiden name identified - you don't even have to buy the certificate in the great majority of casesm only the most recent ones that are not yet online. When the birth indexes first went online I went to my bank and asked them to change my mother's maiden name. It took me a while to explain to a puzzled girl clerk why I wanted them to do this, but eventually they did it - it did, however, take them THREE WEEKS to accomplish! My advice is NEVER give your mother's maiden name to a bank, building society or other institution. Make something up! All they want, after all, is a codeword that only you and they know. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi Andy: Try "Guildhall, Manuscripts" <Manuscripts.Guildhall@cityoflondon.gov.uk> The archivist there was very helpful. I had success tracing the voyages of my great grandfather. He was a master mariner from Bristol. He sailed from the mid 1800's to about 1871 when died abroad or at sea. Good luck Alan (Toronto From: andy chippett <andychippett@googlemail.com> Subject: [B&D] Bristol seamen To: bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:36 PM Hi Listers, Can anyone enlighten my ageing memory please........I seem to recall within the last 12 months? or so someone posting a link to a site where names of Bristol seamen were listed with the names of their ships?? I have been through the archives to no avail, I'm sure I didn't dream it? Does anyone else remember or know of the site I am looking for? Regards andy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Graham, I was tickled to see after that you sign as Graham but your email address is for Robert! No wonder every one else is confused! I gave up with Nat West Bank security long ago. To prove who I was on the phone they wanted my mother's maiden name and my place of birth - Leeds. For seven pounds. the GRO would supply any one with that! Bank security is a farce, no other words for it. If one googles for "Phil Warn" one can find my snail mail address, too! Cheers Phil On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:28 AM, robert williams <robert.williams94@googlemail.com> wrote: > My Apologies for stating that the Heir Hunters Team had access to the > BMD;Records in their office. > I did mean of course,The "Indexes". > If you would believe the trouble Ive had in the past in Drawing out MY Money > from my OWN Account in the > Building Societies,You would wonder why I bothered in the first place? > They will NOT except a Birth Certificate as Proof of who I was. > Even accompanied by a Recent Gas/Electricity/Water Bill's,showing them the > SAME Address as whats on my > "Birth Certificate!" > So when I attempt to Draw out any Money,I take with me a Letter from the > "Department Of Works And Pensions"with me as one bit of Acceptable > Evidence.A "Debit Card"the second bit,and yes,My Birth Certificate. > So there I am,loaded down with 3 bits of evidence to prove to them who I am. > Whilst all those queing behind me have their Passports or Driving Licences > with them. > As I have neither of those documents. > I had the same problem trying to open an Account with my Building Society in > the first place. > In the end,they Tried the "Electoral Register"available On-Line to prove to > them,who I was. > I told them my full name of Robert Graham WILLIAMS. > Nothing Showed up! > I explained to the Boss of that Building Society that I Had lived at my > address All my Life! > She then tried just Robert WILLIAMS. > Still No Joy. > Then she tried R.G;WILLIAMS. > Bingo! > I was in. > Which brings me on to ask,What Evidence does one need to apply for a > Passport & Driving Licence? > Would it be a "Birth Certificate"by any Chance? > The song "There's a hole in my Bucket,Dear ..........."Springs to mind! > Cheers Graham. > Graham Williams.of > Canton,Cardiff. > Chairman,"Canton Historical Society". > Glam;FHS;#551. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

When I first Started out on this Hobby,I was fortunate to have found out that my Great,Aunt was still alive,and living in Cardiff. On my first visit in 1983,I found a sprightly lady of 72,who not only supplied me with many Stories of her Grandmother,But provided me with many old Original Birth,Marriage and death Certificates. Also an Alladins Cave of old Photographs,and yes,She had a "Family Bible"of 1853 vintage too. All of this gave me an Immediate Key to open up many Lines of my Paternal Ancestory. I went back straight away to 1777,and to the birth year of my 4 x great,grandfather. On One Visit my Great Aunt Clare provided me with an almost New "Birth Certificate"for my Great,Great,Grandmother. Well,It Looked NEW! But was in fact dated 1925. It had me thinking,WHY did she have this Birth Certificate for someone who was born in 1855? The Penny then dropped,as i had read that "Old aged pensioners"in those days,had to be 70 before they could draw their pittance of an old age Pension. The lady in Question was Ellen BOWEN,Nee COLLINS.[1855-1934] Her Husband Llewellyn Humphreys BOWEN,[1857-1908]had died many years before in Cardiff,at the young age of 50. Their "Marriage Certificate"was also given to me by Clare.This was also an Original and was in a bit of a mess. My Great Aunt explained to me that Ellen had kept this Certificate Stuffed down the front of her dress for years,as to Proof of who she was? [Proof of "Big Brother"was around in those days too!] The Certificate showed yet another example of little white Lies appearing at a Marriage. Insomuch that both parties stated they were "Over 21",when in Fact Llewellyn had just only a few months Previously,had his 17th;Birthday,[born 31/11/1857 in Cardiff] and Ellen was just turned 19. Ellen BOWEN died in Cardiff in 1931 aged 74. BTW;I have them all in the Parish Registers & Census Returns. Cheers Graham. -- Graham Williams.of Canton,Cardiff. Chairman,"Canton Historical Society". Glam;FHS;#551.

My Apologies for stating that the Heir Hunters Team had access to the BMD;Records in their office. I did mean of course,The "Indexes". If you would believe the trouble Ive had in the past in Drawing out MY Money from my OWN Account in the Building Societies,You would wonder why I bothered in the first place? They will NOT except a Birth Certificate as Proof of who I was. Even accompanied by a Recent Gas/Electricity/Water Bill's,showing them the SAME Address as whats on my "Birth Certificate!" So when I attempt to Draw out any Money,I take with me a Letter from the "Department Of Works And Pensions"with me as one bit of Acceptable Evidence.A "Debit Card"the second bit,and yes,My Birth Certificate. So there I am,loaded down with 3 bits of evidence to prove to them who I am. Whilst all those queing behind me have their Passports or Driving Licences with them. As I have neither of those documents. I had the same problem trying to open an Account with my Building Society in the first place. In the end,they Tried the "Electoral Register"available On-Line to prove to them,who I was. I told them my full name of Robert Graham WILLIAMS. Nothing Showed up! I explained to the Boss of that Building Society that I Had lived at my address All my Life! She then tried just Robert WILLIAMS. Still No Joy. Then she tried R.G;WILLIAMS. Bingo! I was in. Which brings me on to ask,What Evidence does one need to apply for a Passport & Driving Licence? Would it be a "Birth Certificate"by any Chance? The song "There's a hole in my Bucket,Dear ..........."Springs to mind! Cheers Graham. Graham Williams.of Canton,Cardiff. Chairman,"Canton Historical Society". Glam;FHS;#551.

I am from Sydney too...do you know what dates you will be here? http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~becher/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robyn Horan" <robynvh2@gmail.com> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [B&D] Bunfight in Oz?? > Sounds like a great trip - October/ November is a great time to be > here. But it will be hot, hot, hot in Queensland. Bring a sun hat! > > I think there are a few of us in Sydney on the list - let us know if > have time for a coffee when you're here. > > Robyn

Sounds like a great trip - October/ November is a great time to be here. But it will be hot, hot, hot in Queensland. Bring a sun hat! I think there are a few of us in Sydney on the list - let us know if have time for a coffee when you're here. Robyn On 9 February 2010 09:38, Liz <e.newbery@btinternet.com> wrote: > As many of you know, I went to the US last Sept... > Is there any chance of meeting up with any of you while I am in Oz? > > I am planning to leave England around 7th October, spending a week in the > Emirates with friends to recover and then going on to Perth.  After spending > about 10 days in the Western area, I am going across to Brisbane, Adelaide, > Sydney and then up the Eastern coast of Queensland to visit a 3rd and an 8th > cousin that I've been in touch with for years.  I've just found that they > live only 20 minutes apart which is great. > > Do any of you live near any of the areas I am visiting - I would hate to be > at the bottom of your road and not stop to say 'hi'.  Here are some of the > locations I am planning to visit.  I will leave Oz around 27th November for > another week in the Emirates. > > I had relations who lived in Lansvale NSW - WHITE ex Bristol.  I know my > father's cousin lived there but I am sure he's dead now. > > Liz > www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery > OPC for Street, Somerset > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Just ordered a great book from ALIBRIS: "INHABITANTS OF BRISTOL IN 1696." It was a census taken to raise funds for the war in France---includes the names of women and children. I have been using it at the Toronto Reference Library and saw they had several for sale at Alibris. Am anxiously awaiting the arrival. Kathleen in Toronto

Hi Listers, Can anyone enlighten my ageing memory please........I seem to recall within the last 12 months? or so someone posting a link to a site where names of Bristol seamen were listed with the names of their ships?? I have been through the archives to no avail, I'm sure I didn't dream it? Does anyone else remember or know of the site I am looking for? Regards andy

Try our phone books: http://www.whitepages.com.au/wp/ Yvonne Scrivener Canberra ACT Australia -----Original Message----- From: bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of afc44 My uncle passed away in 1999 in Adelaide in OZ. Would love to make contact with anyone of his daughter,s. Joanne CAME nee JACKSON Lisa KELLEY nee JACKSON Tracy AINSCROW nee JACKSON or Sarah BOYLON nee JACKSON.

Hi Yvonne Many many thank,s for the phone detail.s yours sincerely ony in Bristol UK On 8 February 2010 21:34, Yvonne Scrivener <scrivener@iinet.net.au> wrote: > Try our phone books: > > http://www.whitepages.com.au/wp/ > > Yvonne Scrivener > Canberra ACT > Australia > > -----Original Message----- > From: bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of afc44 > > My uncle passed away in 1999 in Adelaide in OZ. Would love to make contact > with anyone of his daughter,s. > > Joanne CAME nee JACKSON > Lisa KELLEY nee JACKSON > Tracy AINSCROW nee JACKSON > or Sarah BOYLON nee JACKSON. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

As many of you know, I went to the US last Sept - Nov and had a great time meeting up with several members of our list as well as friends and cousins and, of course, visiting the National Women's Hall of Fame for the induction ceremony of my ancestor. So, before I get too long in the tooth, I thought I would take the long trip down under and meet up with various cousins and friends and to see where my granddaughter's ancestors lived. 3 years ago I went to Canada and 20 of us met up for a bunfight at Merrickville which was absolutely great. Is there any chance of meeting up with any of you while I am in Oz? I am planning to leave England around 7th October, spending a week in the Emirates with friends to recover and then going on to Perth. After spending about 10 days in the Western area, I am going across to Brisbane, Adelaide, Sydney and then up the Eastern coast of Queensland to visit a 3rd and an 8th cousin that I've been in touch with for years. I've just found that they live only 20 minutes apart which is great. Do any of you live near any of the areas I am visiting - I would hate to be at the bottom of your road and not stop to say 'hi'. Here are some of the locations I am planning to visit. I will leave Oz around 27th November for another week in the Emirates. Rockingham (fellow researcher) Mandurah (previous guest to Cornwall) Peregian Beach (3rd cousin) Mooloolaba, QLD, (8th cousin) Ingle Farm (cousin's cousin) Melbourne (granddaughter's 4x2 cousin) I had relations who lived in Lansvale NSW - WHITE ex Bristol. I know my father's cousin lived there but I am sure he's dead now. Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset

I spotted this article the other day which I found quite interesting. <quote> While Britain was in recession and at war with Spain in Tudor times, smuggling in Somerset soared bringing illegal wealth to the county. </quote> http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/somerset/hi/people_and_places/newsid_8487000/8487553.stm Whilst looking at Dr Taylor's site, I noticed there's a proposed documentary on toll roads. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Hi All My uncle passed away in 1999 in Adelaide in OZ. Would love to make contact with anyone of his daughter,s. Joanne CAME nee JACKSON Lisa KELLEY nee JACKSON Tracy AINSCROW nee JACKSON or Sarah BOYLON nee JACKSON. Sarah posted a message on one web site searching for her family in Bristol UK. But sadly there was no contact detail,s. Many thank,s for any advice Tony in Bristol

Roy Stockdill wrote: > I hadn't started out in family history when the records were at > Somerset House but, as far as I recall, it was never possible, as > you say, at either St Catherine's House or the FRC to apply for a > certificate and get one instantly. This is one of the things I > reckon some of us find so annoying about Who Do You Think You Are? > which sometimes gives the impression that it is! It is very misleading and I think it disappoints a lot of would be researchers when they find it isn't as easy as it appears. I started my research back in 1966. I loved going to Somerset House with its galleries and worn spiral staircases. It gave a real sense of history :)) > And I have always had the belief that there were considerably more > bigamous marriages in Victorian times than has been generally > thought because ordinary people just couldn't get a divorce. I'm sure there is too and also a lot more couples "living in sin" than is realised. > However, on the whole the system has worked for over 170 years and > I see no reason to change it. Agreed, although it would be nice to download them like you can through DocumentsOnline :)) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Some more info at : http://cityofadelaide.org.au/ and http://www.cityofadelaide1864.co.uk/ or http://www.oldsaltblog.com/2009/07/13/the-city-of-adelaide-the-oldest-just-barely-serving-clipper-ship/ The first site has Passenger Lists on it. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Hungerford" <m.hungerford@ntlworld.com> To: <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Cc: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com>; <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: 07 February 2010 15:56 Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] The 'City of Adelaide' > Hi Listers > > I've recently read about this migrant ship and concerns raised about her > fate. > > The City of Adelaide is the oldest surviving clipper ship in the world, > one of only a few to still exist, however her owners, the Scottish > Maritime Museum, intend to demolish her as they are being evicted from the > slipway where the City of Adelaide sits. > > There are lots of websites giving information about the clipper, eg > > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/article6953510.ece > > As many of our ancestors would have travelled aboard her to Australia, I > thought it was worth bringing her to the list's attention. > > Neither Scottish nor UK Government seems prepared to step in. Two rival > rescue bids — one from Adelaide, one from Sunderland, where she was > built — are trying to save her. Both are desperately short of money and > time. So for the sake of around half a million quid — a banker’s bonus in > a bad year — this priceless maritime artefact is to be destroyed. > > Kind regards > > Joy -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 196 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

The only restriction on death certificates is if they are for a child, and then the 50 year rule cuts in. This is of course because a recent child's death certificate will often give you enough information to order its birth certificate... Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <familyhunter@family-hunter.co.uk> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [B&D] Certificates Online. Roy Stockdill wrote: > When the dear old Family Records Centre was still open (and how I > miss it still) I applied for and was given an RU number which > enabled me to bypass some of the restrictions. > > However, I have found since then that if you order a certificate on > the phone to Southport that is under 50 years old, they don't > bother with the full details that you are asked when applying > online. The only thing is, they charge £1.50 more for it. I was under the impression the 50 year rule had been dropped since the FRC had closed because I ordered 3 death certs online, all from the 1980s without needing to give any more information than I would for death certs from the 1880s. I don't have an RU number either. I miss the FRC too. I think it was a real backward step withdrawing access to the actual volumes. It was also handy if there were any queries on FMP index entries because they'd send someone round to have a look at the actual index. FMP can't do that now the indices are in Basingstoke. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message