Hi You need the Bristol Burgess Books ... there's a B&AFHS index on CD you an buy for £8 but I've looked and there is just one Joseph Hide (with an 'i') but he was a tobacconist in 1670. Regards Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Collins" <sloinn@yahoo.com> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 5:22 PM Subject: [B&D] Apprenticeships & freemen of Bristol Hi: Where would I look for information on freemen of the city in Bristol? I have an ancestor named Joseph Hyde who was a blacksmith. I'm not sure if he would have served his apprenticeship in Bristol or elsewhere in Gloucestershire. He was living in St. Phillips & Jacob parish on the 1851 census, although he was born in Horsley, Gloucester. Regards, Carol Collins __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer® 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

________________________________ > From: geraldinevm@hotmail.com > To: bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com > Subject: Roberts Excise Officer B.R.O. Look-up. > Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:14:46 +00 > > I am new to this list and researching my great great grandfather Benjamin Roberts. I know that he became "Supernumerary to The Bristol Collection on Lord George Seymour's Motion on 9th June 1815". > > If that was his first appointment, he may be mentioned in the Oaths of Customs Officers available at the B.R.O. It will be difficult for me to get to Bristol in the near future, so I was wondering if someone would be able and willing to look this up for me. It's something I am happy to do in the Carmarthen R.O. >> > The reference is Bristol Quarter Sessions Records JQS/P/337 1815 March-Sept. These may be strictly formal oaths, but I am hoping to find his place of residence at the time, or other personal info. > > Thank you, Geraldine Morris. > > ________________________________ > Got a cool Hotmail story? Tell us now _________________________________________________________________ Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? Tell us now http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

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Hi: Where would I look for information on freemen of the city in Bristol? I have an ancestor named Joseph Hyde who was a blacksmith. I'm not sure if he would have served his apprenticeship in Bristol or elsewhere in Gloucestershire. He was living in St. Phillips & Jacob parish on the 1851 census, although he was born in Horsley, Gloucester. Regards, Carol Collins __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer® 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/

Hi Graham...how do you know it wasn't a shotgun marriage? She might well have lost her first child:-( Did any of the parents attend the marriage, ie were they witnesses? Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert williams" <robert.williams94@googlemail.com> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:57 AM Subject: [B&D] Ages on "Marriage Certs;" > Greetings.Its not always the case that people told the truth as to what > actually was their age when they got Hitched? > My Great,Great,Grandparents who were Llewellyn Humphreys BOWEN,[1857-1908] > born in Cardiff on the 30th;November 1857,was married to Ellen > COLLINS,[1855-1931]born at Bedminster Bristol. > They married at Cardiff Register Office on the 14th;of February 1875.[I > have > the Original Marr;Cert;of that date.] > On this Certificate it Stated that both of them were over 21. > In Fact Llewellyn had just turned 17. > Ellen was only 19. > Their first child,my Great,Grandmother Florence Elizabeth Mary > BOWEN,[1876-1966] wasn't born for another 13 months,so it wasn't the case > of > a "Shotgun Marriage". > HTH;Graham. > -- > Graham Williams.of > Canton,Cardiff. > Chairman,"Canton Historical Society". > Glam;FHS;#551. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Graham >>Their first child,my Great,Grandmother Florence Elizabeth Mary BOWEN,[1876-1966] wasn't born for another 13 months,so it wasn't the case of a "Shotgun Marriage".<< It could have been if the previous pregnancy had either ended in a miscarriage, still birth or even an infant which died young...:-) But I do agree with your point that it was often used to obscure the true age. After 1875 the Registrar General kept writing to vicars etc, instructing them to use the actual ages, but the latest one I have come across was one in the early 20th century where a fairly elderly lady was described as "of full age" when marrying her 25 year old "toy-boy"! Polly

Greetings.Its not always the case that people told the truth as to what actually was their age when they got Hitched? My Great,Great,Grandparents who were Llewellyn Humphreys BOWEN,[1857-1908] born in Cardiff on the 30th;November 1857,was married to Ellen COLLINS,[1855-1931]born at Bedminster Bristol. They married at Cardiff Register Office on the 14th;of February 1875.[I have the Original Marr;Cert;of that date.] On this Certificate it Stated that both of them were over 21. In Fact Llewellyn had just turned 17. Ellen was only 19. Their first child,my Great,Grandmother Florence Elizabeth Mary BOWEN,[1876-1966] wasn't born for another 13 months,so it wasn't the case of a "Shotgun Marriage". HTH;Graham. -- Graham Williams.of Canton,Cardiff. Chairman,"Canton Historical Society". Glam;FHS;#551.

Hi Dennis You could join the Family Tree Maker user list by sending a message with subscribe in the body to FTM-request@rootsweb.com They seem to sort out most problems Mike in Droitwich Dennis Croome wrote: > Hope I'm allowed to ask this question. > > I use Family Tree Maker on my pc and on the www Ancestry to publish the > tree. What's the best way to keep the two trees up-to-date / synchronised? > Thanks > Dennis Croome > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hope I'm allowed to ask this question. I use Family Tree Maker on my pc and on the www Ancestry to publish the tree. What's the best way to keep the two trees up-to-date / synchronised? Thanks Dennis Croome

On 15 Mar 2010 at 11:07, Phil Warn wrote: > Neil, > > Nearly every time, 21. > > The change to 18 etc is a relatively (pun intended) new (20th Century) > event. > > HTH > > Phil > > On 15 March 2010 01:44, NEIL GLOSTER <neilgloster@speedway.ca> wrote: > > Hi Listers > Out of curiousity how old is a person when they are > listed as Full Age ? > I am sorry but I don't believe that is strictly correct. "Full age" on a marriage certificate can simply mean 21 and over. I've seen certificates where the parties were considerably older, as shown by other evidence (like censuses)/ -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi Neil, It just means that they are claiming to be over 21. They could be many decades older or they could be stretching the truth & actually be younger! >From Jenny http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~becher/index.htm > Hi Listers > Out of curiousity how old is a person when they are listed as Full Age ? > Thanks > Neil

This subject is closed now. If anyone wishes to continue it, please do so OFF LIST. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

No. I only buy certificates for my direct ancestors unless they are "lost" or born before Registration began, in which case I get a certificate for one of their siblings. I have over 150 certificates plus copies from my granddaughter's paternal line from her great aunt so by next month there will be no more certificates that I need. Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset > You're giving up genealogy then? > > -- > Regards _ > / ) "The blindingly obvious is > / _)rad never immediately apparent" > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 21:11:19 -0000 "Polly Rubery" <polly@rowberry.org> wrote: Hello Polly, > That's your reading of it, I take it to mean that they will retain all Possibly I'm misinterpreting it, but to take money from us, then *not* supply a cert *would* be illegal. > the certificate isn't found, as otherwise how do they cover the cost > of the search - far more than supplying a certificate with a given GRO In part, costs are defrayed by making a price increase. IOW, every payment includes a small(?) amount that's used to cover costs on unsuccessful searches and consequent refunds. > I am not usually a "half-empty glass" pessimist, but in this case even > I am not optimistic! Like Roy (Stockdill), I'm cynical about lots of things. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent"

On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 21:08:11 -0000 "Liz" <e.newbery@btinternet.com> wrote: Hello Liz, > Hmmm...are you a Civil Servant?? I cannot see how they could possibly First, what's my occupation got to do with it? Second, I resent the implication. Third, just because I can see their argument doens't mean I'm on their side. I do cost jobs as part of my every day work. All you're looking at is the bootm line (i.e. price increase). There's *lots* more to it than that. > still think it's too great an increase. I will not be ordering any > after 6th April - my postie will be glad when I stop ordering, he's You're giving up genealogy then? -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent"

Neil, Nearly every time, 21. The change to 18 etc is a relatively (pun intended) new (20th Century) event. HTH Phil On 15 March 2010 01:44, NEIL GLOSTER <neilgloster@speedway.ca> wrote: > Hi Listers > Out of curiousity how old is a person when they are listed as Full Age ? > Thanks > Neil > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

At 10:28 AM 14/03/2010 +0000, you wrote: >Bryan Haycock wrote: >> Could some one tell me what the abbrev's refer to PAU, HYX, MAG, MIL, ALP, STS >> on a list of BMD dates please. > >Can you give an example of each instance to put it in context, please? > Were they in an original register or were they in a transcript? > Hello Charani, I think it's a transcript of Baps, M &Ds the format on all is similar., Marriages: Haycock Asher 20.5.1826 Foord Elizabeth | STS Haycock Edward 22.01.1799 Plummer Sarah | MIL Haycock George 01.09 1834 Coleman Mary | NGT Haycock Mary 01.12.1804 Culver Robert | PAU Haycock Frances 14.04 1798 Avis Thomas | ALP obvious an abbrev. for maybe Parish ? I think in Kent ?? Thanks , Bryan No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.790 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2747 - Release Date: 03/15/10 03:33:00

Hello again Bryan, Found this on Rootsweb for Kent. They are Canterbury parishes, abbreviations below: AND St Andrew 1752-1880 ALP St Alphage 1752-1894 BDN St Mary Bredin 1752-1857 BMN St Mary Bredman 1752-1857 CHR Christchurch 1752-1877 DUN St Dunstan 1752-1918 GEO St George 1752-1868 HYX Holy Cross 1752-1894 MAG St Mary Magdalene 1752-1865 MIL St Mildred 1752-1856 MRG St Margaret 1752-1942 MTN St Martin 1752-1897 NGT St Mary Northgate 1752-1856 PTR St Peter 1752-1890 PAU St Paul 1752-1853 STS All Saints 1752-1891 WAL Walloon Church 1752-1812 You can see the message I took them from at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/KENT-ENG/2008-02/1204208460 Lawrence Lowe ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Marriages: Haycock Asher 20.5.1826 Foord Elizabeth | STS Haycock Edward 22.01.1799 Plummer Sarah | MIL Haycock George 01.09 1834 Coleman Mary | NGT Haycock Mary 01.12.1804 Culver Robert | PAU Haycock Frances 14.04 1798 Avis Thomas | ALP obvious an abbrev. for maybe Parish ? I think in Kent ?? Thanks , Bryan

Hello Bryan, Based on a sample of just one entry, I'd say parish. Using IGI I found your: Haycock, Frances 14.04 1798 Avis, Thomas | ALP Listed as: Marriage: 14 APR 1798 Saint Alphege, Canterbury, Kent I couldn't find the others on IGI but this one looks pretty convincing to me. Lawrence Lowe -----Original Message----- From: bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Haycock Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 2:36 AM To: BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B&D] Query???? At 10:28 AM 14/03/2010 +0000, you wrote: >Bryan Haycock wrote: >> Could some one tell me what the abbrev's refer to PAU, HYX, MAG, MIL, ALP, STS >> on a list of BMD dates please. > >Can you give an example of each instance to put it in context, please? > Were they in an original register or were they in a transcript? > Hello Charani, I think it's a transcript of Baps, M &Ds the format on all is similar., Marriages: Haycock Asher 20.5.1826 Foord Elizabeth | STS Haycock Edward 22.01.1799 Plummer Sarah | MIL Haycock George 01.09 1834 Coleman Mary | NGT Haycock Mary 01.12.1804 Culver Robert | PAU Haycock Frances 14.04 1798 Avis Thomas | ALP obvious an abbrev. for maybe Parish ? I think in Kent ?? Thanks , Bryan No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.790 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2747 - Release Date: 03/15/10 03:33:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers Out of curiousity how old is a person when they are listed as Full Age ? Thanks Neil