Liz wrote: > Thank you Charani. Like you, I'm curious to learn how they raised taxes in > those 6 intervening years. I wonder if someone at the Record Office would know. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Robyn Horan wrote: > Are you tired of doing these yet? Not yet <G> > If not, can you please check for Nesbitt or Hewson? Nothing listed for either name, sorry :(( -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Jenny Stiles wrote: > Hi Charani, > Thanks for looking...I will file those Brodribbs away as they are very > likely connected to mine. YW :)) It's an unusual enough name. > I would be interested to know where the BALCHs in > your book were living as I haven't been able to find any other than Mary > BALCH in the parish register there, so they likely came from elsewhere, Charles Balch in Ling, Sarah Michell vid, 2 hearths, Ex (~ over "x") now Charles Balch Geo Balch in Winterhay, 2 hearths, Ex (~ over "x") Henry Balch in Curland, Margt Lake, vid, 1 hearth, Ex (~ over "x") now Henry Balch Rob Balch in Lyncombe & Widcombe, 1 hearth, Ex (~ over "x") Roger Balch in Capland, 1 hearth, Ex (~ over "x") Roger Balch in Hatch Beauchamp, 1 hearth, Ex (~ over "x") Thos Balch in Capland, 1 hearth, Ex (~ over "x") Hope you get some leads from these :)) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Thank you Charani. Like you, I'm curious to learn how they raised taxes in those 6 intervening years. Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <familyhunter@family-hunter.co.uk> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [B&D] Dwelly's Hearth Tax 1664-65 CLOTHIERs > Liz wrote: >> Thank you Charani. Will have to check them. > > YW :)) > >> I am curious to know - what is the maximum number of hearths anyone had? > > I've seen someone with 9 hearths but not more than that so far. The > larger the house the greater the numer of hearths. > > All reception rooms would have had one and each of the bedrooms. > >> The Hearth Tax ceased in 1689. It seems the Window Tax started in 1696 >> so >> how did they get money from the population between 1689 and 1696? I >> suppose >> these taxes were like our Council Tax! > > According to my book, the Heath Tax was "finally abolished by Statute > 1 Wm & Mary." It goes on to say "[s]ix years later a tax of 2/- was > levied on all houses except cottages, and a tax on all windows in such > houses exceeding nine in number." > > I would have thought there must have been some kind of tax in those > six years. > > Just as people blocked up hearths or dug them up, so people bricked up > windows to avoid paying tax on them. > > I have a book, published on 2006, on Houses and the Heath Tax > published by the British Council for Archaeology (BCA Research Report > 150) which is interesting and it has a piece on Bristol. The ISBN is > 1 902771 65 6 but these publications can be difficult to get hold of > once they are out of print. > > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM > Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

IAN LOGAN wrote: > 3. My POOLE line has been traced back reliably to Clement POOLE bap approx > 1740 ( m Elizabeth/Betty JAMES 1765 Lilstock). I am trying to find possible > links to another well researched POOLE tree which goes back to William POOLE > who married Margaret WHITE in 1582 in Overstowey. Their descendents lived in > Stogursey, Crowcombe, Nether Stowey, Woolavington and nearby parishes. I > would ber interested in any POOLEs listed for these areas - ie mainly the > Cannington hundred but also North Petherton, Williton & Freemanors, > Huntspill & Puriton. Lewis in Lexworthy, one hearth, Ex (~ over "x") Rich in Chilton, one hearth, not rated to Church or poore [sic] by reason of his povertie [sic] Wm in Holford, one hearth, Ex (~ over "x") -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

A few weeks ago information was given as to how to obtain a persons details from the 1939 Registration records at a cost As I am thinking about getting this report for my late father who died in 1950 does anyone know what the extent of the information is available and does it include details of that persons family ?> Thank you Michael McDonnell

Liz wrote: > Thank you Charani. Will have to check them. YW :)) > I am curious to know - what is the maximum number of hearths anyone had? I've seen someone with 9 hearths but not more than that so far. The larger the house the greater the numer of hearths. All reception rooms would have had one and each of the bedrooms. > The Hearth Tax ceased in 1689. It seems the Window Tax started in 1696 so > how did they get money from the population between 1689 and 1696? I suppose > these taxes were like our Council Tax! According to my book, the Heath Tax was "finally abolished by Statute 1 Wm & Mary." It goes on to say "[s]ix years later a tax of 2/- was levied on all houses except cottages, and a tax on all windows in such houses exceeding nine in number." I would have thought there must have been some kind of tax in those six years. Just as people blocked up hearths or dug them up, so people bricked up windows to avoid paying tax on them. I have a book, published on 2006, on Houses and the Heath Tax published by the British Council for Archaeology (BCA Research Report 150) which is interesting and it has a piece on Bristol. The ISBN is 1 902771 65 6 but these publications can be difficult to get hold of once they are out of print. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Polly Rubery wrote: > Sounds to me as if they just took your grandmother's address and > supplied the details of those at the same address as her. My grandmother wasn't at her normal home address. I know she and my mother spent the war at her sister's. I didn't think they went in 1939 so it may just have been a normal family visit. My grandfather was at the family address though. My aunt was still living at the same address until the day she died. That's why I recognised it. > Under the terms of this form, you would not then get any > information on people NOT living at that address; and you can only > apply for the details either of ONE address or ONE person. I think it was a case, like you said, of them not really knowing what they were doing to begin with. It was a bonus for me though <G> > > So an application with your father's details and information on the > people living at that address would be necessary to get his > details. When I win the lottery (ha ha), I'll have a go at finding some of the other people in the family who are deceased and see what happens. > Anyway I will let you know what I receive. Thanks :)) It'll help others to know what they are likely to get if the decide to take the plunge. > My interest is in whether she lived on her own, or had a "partner" > - she had left my grandfather by 1914 - and even if he was a > "toy-boy" he would probably be dead by now...:-)! I hope you find the answer :)) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

On 18 Mar 2010 at 12:55, Polly Rubery wrote: > Anyway I will let you know what I receive. But they won't send any > details of those people still living (by their records), although I > don't expect there to be - all her children are now dead, and as far > as I know none of them had granchildren by that date who were likely > to have been in the house. > I don't know whether you are aware of this, Polly, but Guy Etchells, the Yorkshire genealogist whose appeal to the Information Commissioner was responsible for forcing the NHS's hand on this whole issue, has said he may make another appeal to try and get them to lift the ban on disclosing details of those who may still be alive. I sincerely hope he does and wins again, since it seems a ludicrous piece of nonsense on the part of the bureaucrats to withold details of where someone was living and who with more than 70 years ago. I don't know either whether listers know that Guy was also the man who forced The National Archives to release the 1911 census two years early with his Freedom of Information appeal, but we all owe him a very considerable debt of gratitude. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Sounds to me as if they just took your grandmother's address and supplied the details of those at the same address as her. Under the terms of this form, you would not then get any information on people NOT living at that address; and you can only apply for the details either of ONE address or ONE person. So an application with your father's details and information on the people living at that address would be necessary to get his details. Anyway I will let you know what I receive. But they won't send any details of those people still living (by their records), although I don't expect there to be - all her children are now dead, and as far as I know none of them had granchildren by that date who were likely to have been in the house. My interest is in whether she lived on her own, or had a "partner" - she had left my grandfather by 1914 - and even if he was a "toy-boy" he would probably be dead by now...:-)! Kind regards Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <familyhunter@family-hunter.co.uk> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [B&D] 1939 National Registration Update Polly Rubery wrote: > Hi Charani > > Well if you have £42 to spare, all you need to do is to apply again, > giving > his name and date of birth and tick the option "Information on individual > named". I'd have a job to justify spending that much, esp as I could spend it elsewhere more profitably. > Haven't a claue why you should get details of someone else who wasn't at > the > address that you gave, unless you gave her names and DOB, and they just > went > by those. I think you applied before they had set out this application > form, so they might have been a bit vague as to what they were actually > supplying.... I did give my grandmother's full name and DoB, as I did for my father. They should have been able to find him, esp as he's the only one in the family with that combination of names. After all, they found my grandmother easily enough and her surname is a common one, ranked at 47 (IIRC) by Talesein and I didn't ask for any information on her sister and brother in law. Yes, I did apply before they decided to charge and ask people to complete a form. > Anyway I have sent off the details of my grandmother and asked for details > of up to 9 other residnats at the address - so we'll see what happens. It'll be interesting to know what you receive, without any identifying details particularly if still living people are included, if you wish to share it. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is anybody researching COOK in Clutton? I am trying to establish if George and Charles COOK b 1769 & 1771 in Clutton to William COOK and Mary GREEN are the Charles and George COOK who were in business at 3 Merchant St, Bristol as Cutlers and Ironmongers between 1803 and 1823. The last mention in the Bristol Directories for Charles is 1817, but George is still at 3 Merchant St until 1823. They could be brothers, father and son, cousins or just relations.  The only pair of brothers of those names in Bristol and surrounding villages that fit date wise are the pair in Clutton. George at 3 Merchant St, dies in Bristol General Hospital 24 July 1842 aged 74 yrs, giving poss birth date of 1768. In 1841 census he is in Trinity Arms houses in Old Market, says he wasnt born in Gloucestershire. Did George and Charles move into Bristol and trade in Merchant St?? I have seen mention of Clutton on the list, does any Clutton researcher got these COOKs in their tree? Pat and Vernon in Grimsby, Lincs

Polly Rubery wrote: > Hi Charani > > Well if you have £42 to spare, all you need to do is to apply again, giving > his name and date of birth and tick the option "Information on individual > named". I'd have a job to justify spending that much, esp as I could spend it elsewhere more profitably. > Haven't a claue why you should get details of someone else who wasn't at the > address that you gave, unless you gave her names and DOB, and they just went > by those. I think you applied before they had set out this application > form, so they might have been a bit vague as to what they were actually > supplying.... I did give my grandmother's full name and DoB, as I did for my father. They should have been able to find him, esp as he's the only one in the family with that combination of names. After all, they found my grandmother easily enough and her surname is a common one, ranked at 47 (IIRC) by Talesein and I didn't ask for any information on her sister and brother in law. Yes, I did apply before they decided to charge and ask people to complete a form. > Anyway I have sent off the details of my grandmother and asked for details > of up to 9 other residnats at the address - so we'll see what happens. It'll be interesting to know what you receive, without any identifying details particularly if still living people are included, if you wish to share it. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

> Pat Cook wrote: I have found about 6 ways of spelling > > WESTERN/WESTON/WESTERON etc; > > Jo WESTERON in West Luckham 2 hearths Ex [~ over the "x"] > > John WESTERON in Porlock 4 heaths One is only a private > oven and noe > [sic] hearth [Charge made for 3 hearths] > > Garrett WESTERON in Porlock 4 hearths he hath beaten up one > [Charge > made for 3 hearths] Many thanks Charani I will investigate these three men, I was hoping one was a Humfrey, but any new leads are great. Pat > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM > Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Hi Charani Well if you have £42 to spare, all you need to do is to apply again, giving his name and date of birth and tick the option "Information on individual named". Haven't a claue why you should get details of someone else who wasn't at the address that you gave, unless you gave her names and DOB, and they just went by those. I think you applied before they had set out this application form, so they might have been a bit vague as to what they were actually supplying.... Anyway I have sent off the details of my grandmother and asked for details of up to 9 other residnats at the address - so we'll see what happens. Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <familyhunter@family-hunter.co.uk> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [B&D] 1939 National Registration Update Polly Rubery wrote: > If the person was not at home on the night, for example in hospital, they > are not recorded at their home address, but where they actually were. Thanks for the clarification. It's the above clause that's going to cause me the problem with finding where my father was at the time. What puzzles me slightly is why they didn't give my father's data yet did give me my grandmother's when neither were at the addresses I gave. I guess I'll have to wait until FMP or Ancestry get the database to find him :)) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Polly Rubery wrote: > If the person was not at home on the night, for example in hospital, they > are not recorded at their home address, but where they actually were. Thanks for the clarification. It's the above clause that's going to cause me the problem with finding where my father was at the time. What puzzles me slightly is why they didn't give my father's data yet did give me my grandmother's when neither were at the addresses I gave. I guess I'll have to wait until FMP or Ancestry get the database to find him :)) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

If you go to http://www.ic.nhs.uk/news-and-events/news/nhs-ic-launches-the-1939-register-service you will find details of the service and a link to a form (PDF) to print off, fill in and post, along with your cheque for £42. >>Prior to there being a fee charged for information, it was possible to ask for details of a specific address. I don't know if this is still possible or not. It may not as the household may include still living people and they won't give out that information.<< You can ask for three different types of information: 1. Information on individual named 2. Information on individual named and up to 9 other residents at that address 3. Information on address and up to 10 residents at that address You are asked to supply the following information (where known - none is a compulsory field): A Surname B Maiden name C Full Forename(s) D Other names used E National Registration Number (or pre-1996 NHS Number) F Date of Birth G Address in September 1939 H Last known address with date They ask for as much information as possible, but say "In some cases it is possible that a search can be carried out with information supplied in only the following sections: A C and F E only G only" >>They state on the site they will only deal with requests for information for those people who are deceased. They go on to state that a death certificate may not be acceptable proof of death!! I would guess what they mean is they need to see the death registered in the GRO indices.<< They will only provide information "where the individual is now recorded as deceased" - by this they mean in this actual database - so if the person you are interested in has left the country or has changed their name and not maintained the same NHS number you may have difficulty in persuading them that they are dead. The information that was recorded is given to be: a Names. b Sex. c Date of birth. d Occupation, profession, trade or employment. e Residence. f Condition as to marriage. g Membership of Naval, Military or Air Force Reserves or Auxiliary Forces or of Civil Defence Services or Reserves If the person was not at home on the night, for example in hospital, they are not recorded at their home address, but where they actually were. HTH Polly

pyd_zac7 wrote: > A few weeks ago information was given as to how to obtain a persons > details from the 1939 Registration records at a cost > > As I am thinking about getting this report for my late father who died > in 1950 does anyone know what the extent of the information is > available and does it include details of that persons family ?> The only information you will get is on the person you have named. You will get their address and their job and their date of birth or any combination of those depending on what is on the database. I didn't get my father's details because he wasn't at home with his parents. I have no idea where he might have been since he was still a child. However, I did get my grandmother's address even though she wasn't at home with my grandfather at the time. She was staying with her sister. Prior to there being a fee charged for information, it was possible to ask for details of a specific address. I don't know if this is still possible or not. It may not as the household may include still living people and they won't give out that information. They state on the site they will only deal with requests for information for those people who are deceased. They go on to state that a death certificate may not be acceptable proof of death!! I would guess what they mean is they need to see the death registered in the GRO indices. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Pat Cook wrote: > > If you still have any energy, and time, would > appreciate a check on the following please > > CRUDGE    WESTERN   HELLINGS > > > > I would expect the WESTERN's to be Halberton, but > could be anywhere. > > There are no CRUDGEs, HELLINGs or WESTERNs listed, sorry > :(( > > The closest are three WESTERONs. > > Thanks for looking Charani, the WESTRONs could possibly be connected, I have found about 6 ways of spelling WESTERN/WESTON/WESTERON etc; Thanks for your time Pat Cook, Grimsby, Lincs

Hi: Thanks for the info. Joseph was born in 1817 in Horsley, so that points more to Gloucester being where he served his apprenticeship. Regards, Carol Collins __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/

The Reason I did know that it wasn't a "Shotgun Marriage"for my 2 x great,grandparents is that their daughter,My Great,Grandmother told me that she was the eldest.This was also confirmed by Her Daughter,My Great,Aunt - Clara Margaret SCOTLAND,Formerly LEWIS,Nee WILLIAMS.[1911-1988] Clara gave me much information Including a "Family Bible"of the Bowen Family of Cardiff.This was presented to my Great,Great,Great,Grandmother Mary BOWEN,nee LEWIS,[1828-1913]on the eve of her marriage in 1853 of her husband,my Great,Great,Great,Grandfather John BOWEN jr;[1828-1892] at the Tabernacle Welsh Baptist Chapel,here in Cardiff. This Family Bible was later added With later additions of the BOWEN/WILLIAMS family right up to the christening of my father David John WILLIAMS in 1917. I was also given Original Birth/Marriage and Deather Certificates going back way in to the 19th;Century. Summing up,I can well recommend you searching amongst your OWN Family,be it cousins aunties and uncles,to see if there is anything written down amongst your Forebears? I had contacted my father's only Sibling in Tracing my WILLIAMS line.An Aunt who I hadn't seen since childhood,as my Mother Divorced my Father in 1957 when I was 9. My Aunt Vera[1919-2003]also gave e much information on our Tribe. She then suggested I contact HER Auntie. This was the above Great,Aunt Clara. A Lady who I had previously Never Met. Good job I did though all those years ago. Graham. -- Graham Williams.of Canton,Cardiff. Chairman,"Canton Historical Society". Glam;FHS;#551.