Hello Ian The burial registers didn't normally say who the parents were at burial so without forenames it's hard to tell who were the children of John and Ann HEY. However, there are 14 HAY burials in Bristol records between 1754 and 1812. If you can give me a forename I'd be pleased to look up the HAY burial record on my CD from BAFHS. I must point out that the HAY family appears to have been titled because there are several burials for various Right Honourable Lady HAYs in Bristol Cathedral. Does this sound like your family? No burials listed for HEY. Bernice

Jan R wrote: > Sorry, this isn't quite a Bristol question, it's more of a general > one. ;o) But one that's liable to affect many others :)) > How would I go about ordering a birth certificate if the index > reference details on FreeBMD aren't correct? Have a look at the image and give exactly what's on that. You can't do more than that, esp if you want to order before the fee goes up on 6 April and the reference checking service is withdrawn the same day. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Ian Sage wrote: > Looking at the Nailsea poor records, I find that the overseer for 1808-9 was > one Sarah Greenfield. At the preceeding parish meeting, James Coombs had > been nominated as overseer, but it was very common for the person nominated > not to take up the appointment. > > Can anyone tell me whether a female overseer was unusual as I had assumed at > the time, and what the qualifications were for the post? Sarah had > previously been fined in lieu of taking an apprentice, so evidently held > land in the parish in her own right. There were several instances in Walton when one of the overseers was female. Most of the time though she nominated a man to stand for her. From memory, there was one instance where the nominated lady did serve. I'm not sure what the qualifications were, but the ability to write wasn't one of them! At least one, and I think two, signed the accounts with a mark. > Happy Easter to all, Likewise :)) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Hi Jan Don't know if it helps but Emma Saysall father William a labourer and mother Maria was baptised 11 Mar 1838 at Westbury on Severn. Residence show as Westbury and officiating minister was William Crawley. Information from transcribed parish register on the Forest of Dean Family History Site http://www.forest-of-dean.net Regards Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan R" <tartania99@hotmail.co.uk> To: "Rootsweb Bristol & District" <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 7:49 PM Subject: [B&D] Ordering a birth certificate when GRO index reference isn'tcorrect > > Sorry, this isn't quite a Bristol question, it's more of a general one. > ;o) > > > > How would I go about ordering a birth certificate if the index reference > details on FreeBMD aren't correct? It's one of those cases where the > registration district is in italics and the transcriber has noted that the > page number is outside the expected page range for the district. > > > > The entry concerned is the birth of Emma SAYSAL in Q1 1838 Westbury 6 423, > if you want to look it up to see what I mean. There's actually a second > entry by a different transcriber giving the reference as Westbury 8 423, > but looking at the scanned image, it definitely says Westbury 6 423. > > > > Could the registration district be recorded wrongly in the index? I think > it should have been Westbury on Severn, not Westbury (= Wilts), as Emma's > birthplace is recorded on censuses as either Chaxhill Gloucestershire, > Westbury Gloucestershire, or Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire. If the > registration district of her birth were Westbury on Severn, that would put > the page number 423 into the correct range, but the Vol ought then to be > 11. > > > > It doesn't help that Emma's surname has different spellings at different > times: I'm pretty sure she is the Emma SAYSELLE (transcribed by Ancestry > as SAYSETTE) age 3 on the 1841 census living in Westbury on Severn with > parents William & Maria, and Emma SAYSELL age 13 still in Westbury on > Severn on the 1851 census. Emma SEYSELL married George SKIDMORE in Q3 1860 > Gloucester 6a 421 - this is the Emma whose birth I'm trying to establish. > > > > The question is, what do I need to put on the GRO order form to enable > them to find the birth certificate for me? > > > > Thanks in advance for your help, > > > > Jan > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send us your Hotmail stories and be featured in our newsletter > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Looking at the Nailsea poor records, I find that the overseer for 1808-9 was one Sarah Greenfield. At the preceeding parish meeting, James Coombs had been nominated as overseer, but it was very common for the person nominated not to take up the appointment. Can anyone tell me whether a female overseer was unusual as I had assumed at the time, and what the qualifications were for the post? Sarah had previously been fined in lieu of taking an apprentice, so evidently held land in the parish in her own right. Happy Easter to all, Ian

Jan If you are fairly sure the birth was in Westbury on Severn you could contact the Registrar for that area - they can sometimes provide copy certificates if given name and birth date. Westbury on Severn Registration office was closed in 1937. The old records should be held by either the Forest of Dean or Gloucester registration offices. Contact email addresses are: forestofdean.ro@gloucestershire.gov.uk and gloucester.ro@gloucestershire.gov.uk. Worth enquiring I think. Cheers Ian L ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan R" <tartania99@hotmail.co.uk> To: "Rootsweb Bristol & District" <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 7:49 PM Subject: [B&D] Ordering a birth certificate when GRO index reference isn'tcorrect > Sorry, this isn't quite a Bristol question, it's more of a general one. > ;o) > How would I go about ordering a birth certificate if the index reference > details on FreeBMD aren't correct? It's one of those cases where the > registration district is in italics and the transcriber has noted that the > page number is outside the expected page range for the district. > The entry concerned is the birth of Emma SAYSAL in Q1 1838 Westbury 6 423, > if you want to look it up to see what I mean. There's actually a second > entry by a different transcriber giving the reference as Westbury 8 423, > but looking at the scanned image, it definitely says Westbury 6 423. > Could the registration district be recorded wrongly in the index? I think > it should have been Westbury on Severn, not Westbury (= Wilts), as Emma's > birthplace is recorded on censuses as either Chaxhill Gloucestershire, > Westbury Gloucestershire, or Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire. If the > registration district of her birth were Westbury on Severn, that would put > the page number 423 into the correct range, but the Vol ought then to be > 11. > It doesn't help that Emma's surname has different spellings at different > times: I'm pretty sure she is the Emma SAYSELLE (transcribed by Ancestry > as SAYSETTE) age 3 on the 1841 census living in Westbury on Severn with > parents William & Maria, and Emma SAYSELL age 13 still in Westbury on > Severn on the 1851 census. Emma SEYSELL married George SKIDMORE in Q3 1860 > Gloucester 6a 421 - this is the Emma whose birth I'm trying to establish. > The question is, what do I need to put on the GRO order form to enable > them to find the birth certificate for me?

Hi Jan The only thing that you can do is to put the reference *exactly* as given in the GRO index - at least that way they can't charge you anything. If you make up a reference they will just take your money and you won't get a certificate... But even if it is not correct, then at least it is their mistake, so they can't charge you for it.... And I have found the few times that this has happened to me that they did manage to find the correct certificate - remember that for that birth they are no longer using the GRO reference anyway but the EAGLE system...so they should be able to find it for you. And just to remind you all that there will be no reference checking after the weekend.... Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan R" <tartania99@hotmail.co.uk> To: "Rootsweb Bristol & District" <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [B&D] Ordering a birth certificate when GRO index reference isn't correct Thanks Liz, Brad and Pat for your quick replies. (Pat - yes, that's why I was trying to do it online ;o) So in the usual part of the form, I would put the district/vol/page I think is most likely - then click on "reference checking" and put in something they can check, like her father's name - then I can give some other combinations of district/vol/page for them to look for... Is that correct? Does it matter if I give them district/vol/page combinations that don't exist? Jan

It seems you can put anything you want in that section which says "reference checking" and I know there is no extra charge because I just did it on one of mine! If what you can see on the GRO original document is not what you think it should be then really I don't see that you should put a different reference but it's always worth a try. I do wish they had a section where you could put an opinion, that often frustrates me. Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan R" <tartania99@hotmail.co.uk> To: "Rootsweb Bristol & District" <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [B&D] Ordering a birth certificate when GRO index reference isn't correct Thanks Liz, Brad and Pat for your quick replies. (Pat - yes, that's why I was trying to do it online ;o) So in the usual part of the form, I would put the district/vol/page I think is most likely - then click on "reference checking" and put in something they can check, like her father's name - then I can give some other combinations of district/vol/page for them to look for... Is that correct? Does it matter if I give them district/vol/page combinations that don't exist? Jan ---------------------------------------- > Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 20:42:18 +0100 > From: brad@fineby.me.uk > To: bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [B&D] Ordering a birth certificate when GRO index reference > isn't correct > > On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 19:49:00 +0100 > Jan R wrote: > > Hello Jan, > >> The question is, what do I need to put on the GRO order form to enable >> them to find the birth certificate for me? > > Difficult, as one of FreeBMDs transcriptions is correct. However, your > knowledge of Emma indicates that the index is wrong, and should be vol > 11, not 6. OTOH, Emma's birth registration /could/ be recorded in vol. > 6. > > I'd suggest either; > > Order by 'phone, then you can explain that the index reads vol. 6, but > you have reason to believe it should be vol. 11, and give your reasoning. > > or; > > Order online and opt for reference check on volume number, using the two > volume numbers. > > Both methods will cost slightly more than the current £7.00 online > (with reference) price, but you're far more likely to get the cert you > want than if you simply order using only the one volume number, as > there's a 50% chance it's wrong. With the methods I suggest, you're > nearer a certainty. > > -- > Regards _ > / ) "The blindingly obvious is > / _)rad never immediately apparent" > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? Tell us now http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Liz, Brad and Pat for your quick replies. (Pat - yes, that's why I was trying to do it online ;o) So in the usual part of the form, I would put the district/vol/page I think is most likely - then click on "reference checking" and put in something they can check, like her father's name - then I can give some other combinations of district/vol/page for them to look for... Is that correct? Does it matter if I give them district/vol/page combinations that don't exist? Jan ---------------------------------------- > Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 20:42:18 +0100 > From: brad@fineby.me.uk > To: bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [B&D] Ordering a birth certificate when GRO index reference isn't correct > > On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 19:49:00 +0100 > Jan R wrote: > > Hello Jan, > >> The question is, what do I need to put on the GRO order form to enable >> them to find the birth certificate for me? > > Difficult, as one of FreeBMDs transcriptions is correct. However, your > knowledge of Emma indicates that the index is wrong, and should be vol > 11, not 6. OTOH, Emma's birth registration /could/ be recorded in vol. > 6. > > I'd suggest either; > > Order by 'phone, then you can explain that the index reads vol. 6, but > you have reason to believe it should be vol. 11, and give your reasoning. > > or; > > Order online and opt for reference check on volume number, using the two > volume numbers. > > Both methods will cost slightly more than the current £7.00 online > (with reference) price, but you're far more likely to get the cert you > want than if you simply order using only the one volume number, as > there's a 50% chance it's wrong. With the methods I suggest, you're > nearer a certainty. > > -- > Regards _ > / ) "The blindingly obvious is > / _)rad never immediately apparent" > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? Tell us now http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

As it's a birth certificate why not phone up the Superintendent Registrar of the Forest of Dean and explain your problem. The Register Office, Belle Vue Centre, 6 Belle Vue Road, Cinderford, GL14 2AB. Tel: 01594 822113. Fax: 01594 826352. E-mail: forestofdean.ro@gloucestershire.gov.uk Of course with Easter Weekend now upon us you might not get an answer before the price goes up! Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan R" <tartania99@hotmail.co.uk> To: "Rootsweb Bristol & District" <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 7:49 PM Subject: [B&D] Ordering a birth certificate when GRO index reference isn'tcorrect > How would I go about ordering a birth certificate if the index reference > details on FreeBMD aren't correct? It's one of those cases where the > registration district is in italics and the transcriber has noted that the > page number is outside the expected page range for the district. > > Could the registration district be recorded wrongly in the index? I think > it should have been Westbury on Severn, not Westbury (= Wilts), as Emma's > birthplace is recorded on censuses as either Chaxhill Gloucestershire, > Westbury Gloucestershire, or Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire. If the > registration district of her birth were Westbury on Severn, that would put > the page number 423 into the correct range, but the Vol ought then to be > 11. >

On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 19:49:00 +0100 Jan R <tartania99@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: Hello Jan, > The question is, what do I need to put on the GRO order form to enable > them to find the birth certificate for me? Difficult, as one of FreeBMDs transcriptions is correct. However, your knowledge of Emma indicates that the index is wrong, and should be vol 11, not 6. OTOH, Emma's birth registration /could/ be recorded in vol. 6. I'd suggest either; Order by 'phone, then you can explain that the index reads vol. 6, but you have reason to believe it should be vol. 11, and give your reasoning. or; Order online and opt for reference check on volume number, using the two volume numbers. Both methods will cost slightly more than the current £7.00 online (with reference) price, but you're far more likely to get the cert you want than if you simply order using only the one volume number, as there's a 50% chance it's wrong. With the methods I suggest, you're nearer a certainty. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent"

Hi Jan I've had this type of instance. There is a part where you can click on "Reference Checking" - there is no extra charge for this service. You can then give a variety of different references you need checking. That is all I can recommend and it's helped me. Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan R" <tartania99@hotmail.co.uk> To: "Rootsweb Bristol & District" <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 7:49 PM Subject: [B&D] Ordering a birth certificate when GRO index reference isn'tcorrect > > Sorry, this isn't quite a Bristol question, it's more of a general one. > ;o) > > > > How would I go about ordering a birth certificate if the index reference > details on FreeBMD aren't correct? It's one of those cases where the > registration district is in italics and the transcriber has noted that the > page number is outside the expected page range for the district. > > > > The entry concerned is the birth of Emma SAYSAL in Q1 1838 Westbury 6 423, > if you want to look it up to see what I mean. There's actually a second > entry by a different transcriber giving the reference as Westbury 8 423, > but looking at the scanned image, it definitely says Westbury 6 423. > > > > Could the registration district be recorded wrongly in the index? I think > it should have been Westbury on Severn, not Westbury (= Wilts), as Emma's > birthplace is recorded on censuses as either Chaxhill Gloucestershire, > Westbury Gloucestershire, or Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire. If the > registration district of her birth were Westbury on Severn, that would put > the page number 423 into the correct range, but the Vol ought then to be > 11. > > > > It doesn't help that Emma's surname has different spellings at different > times: I'm pretty sure she is the Emma SAYSELLE (transcribed by Ancestry > as SAYSETTE) age 3 on the 1841 census living in Westbury on Severn with > parents William & Maria, and Emma SAYSELL age 13 still in Westbury on > Severn on the 1851 census. Emma SEYSELL married George SKIDMORE in Q3 1860 > Gloucester 6a 421 - this is the Emma whose birth I'm trying to establish. > > > > The question is, what do I need to put on the GRO order form to enable > them to find the birth certificate for me? > > > > Thanks in advance for your help, > > > > Jan > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send us your Hotmail stories and be featured in our newsletter > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sorry, this isn't quite a Bristol question, it's more of a general one. ;o) How would I go about ordering a birth certificate if the index reference details on FreeBMD aren't correct? It's one of those cases where the registration district is in italics and the transcriber has noted that the page number is outside the expected page range for the district. The entry concerned is the birth of Emma SAYSAL in Q1 1838 Westbury 6 423, if you want to look it up to see what I mean. There's actually a second entry by a different transcriber giving the reference as Westbury 8 423, but looking at the scanned image, it definitely says Westbury 6 423. Could the registration district be recorded wrongly in the index? I think it should have been Westbury on Severn, not Westbury (= Wilts), as Emma's birthplace is recorded on censuses as either Chaxhill Gloucestershire, Westbury Gloucestershire, or Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire. If the registration district of her birth were Westbury on Severn, that would put the page number 423 into the correct range, but the Vol ought then to be 11. It doesn't help that Emma's surname has different spellings at different times: I'm pretty sure she is the Emma SAYSELLE (transcribed by Ancestry as SAYSETTE) age 3 on the 1841 census living in Westbury on Severn with parents William & Maria, and Emma SAYSELL age 13 still in Westbury on Severn on the 1851 census. Emma SEYSELL married George SKIDMORE in Q3 1860 Gloucester 6a 421 - this is the Emma whose birth I'm trying to establish. The question is, what do I need to put on the GRO order form to enable them to find the birth certificate for me? Thanks in advance for your help, Jan _________________________________________________________________ Send us your Hotmail stories and be featured in our newsletter http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

Hi: Thanks so much for the information. Does it give the name of the church in which she was baptized? Regards, Carol Collins __________________________________________________________________ Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet Explorer® 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/

----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Collins" <sloinn@yahoo.com> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:27 PM Subject: [B&D] Emma Buckell baptism - 1822/1823, Kingswood > Hi: > > I'm looking for a baptism for an Emma Buckell, who was born about 1822 or > 1823. In the 1861 census, she gave her birthplace as Kingswood Hill, > Gloucester. > > I know that her mother Mary was buried in Whitfield Tabernacle, Kingswood > according to the BAFHS South Gloucstershire Burials Index: > > http://www.bafhs.org.uk/burialindex/burialsbryd.htm > > I'm not sure if Emma was also baptised at the Whitfield Tabernacle or > another chuch in Kingswood. Her father's name was Daniel Buckell/Buckle. Hi Carol The Bristol and Avon FHS CD for Bristol Diocese Baptismal Registers 1813-1837 has Emma BUCKLE parents Daniel and Mary bapt 22.05.1831, abode Kingswood, age 7 yrs 6 mths. Also with parents Daniel and Mary BUCKLE and baptised same day were Elizabeth age 18 yrs, Margaret 16 yrs, both abode Kingswood Hill and George 12 yrs abode Kingswood. Perhaps the older girls had left home. Another Elizabeth BUCKLE was baptised the same day but her parents were William and Anne, Kingswood Hill. (The only other baptism the same day was Edwin LUCAS , 10 months old, parents Thomas and Dinah) Caroline

I found this in a description of a hurricane that hit Liverpool in 1839 James TOMLINSON, wife and four children, a joiner by trade, lost all his property, but saved all his family, were furnished with clothes and funds for their temporary wants. Resided in Bristol, but remains in Liverpool, to endeavour to procure work. It makes good reading if you're interested - and the whole site is really good http://www.old-merseytimes.co.uk/hurricane1839.html

Hi Carol I'm afraid there are no baptisms for Buckle or Buckell on the CD of non-conformist baptisms up to 1837 either in the Kingswood or central Bristol areas. Bernice

Hi: I'm looking for a baptism for an Emma Buckell, who was born about 1822 or 1823. In the 1861 census, she gave her birthplace as Kingswood Hill, Gloucester. I know that her mother Mary was buried in Whitfield Tabernacle, Kingswood according to the BAFHS South Gloucstershire Burials Index: http://www.bafhs.org.uk/burialindex/burialsbryd.htm I'm not sure if Emma was also baptised at the Whitfield Tabernacle or another chuch in Kingswood. Her father's name was Daniel Buckell/Buckle. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Regards, Carol Collins __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/

Richard Carruthers a.k.a. Carruthers-Zurowski wrote: > I am interested in the ERNLE family, some of whom were connected, > at least for a time in the 17th century, with Bristol. The name is > spelt with many variants including ERNLEY and ERNELEY as well as > forms starting in EA-, and occasionally YE-, or even HE-. They all > sound the same in the end, if one isn't to fussy about H-dropping. There aren't any ERNLE or variants listed, sorry :(( > Apart from that family, I have SMALCOMBE (and variants) and BROAD > at Twerton, near Bath. In fact, I have a whole slew of Twertonian > forebears, but those are the chief ones. No SMALCOMBE or variants nor Twerton BROADs listed either, sorry :(( > Any LARGE (or LARDGE) family members would also be of interest, > particularly those at Bristol and Westbury-on-Trym. No LAR(D)GEs listed either, sorry :(( -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Jeremy Gallop wrote: > Hi Charani, > > Sorry to bring this post back to haunt you, but could you kindly check if > there are any GALLOPs listed. Also TRENT if you have time. SOK, I'm still working my way through the requests. I'm getting there slowly :)) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk