Hello again Roy I expect you already know that a Christopher Keeling was a 49 year old coal mine proprietor at Cromhall, Glos in 1851. His parish of birth was stated as Moore Green, Notts. I notice that the coal miner Jacob and Edith Keeling at Yate in 1851 had a son also called Christopher Keeling who was baptised in 1828 at The Tabernacle Calvanistic Methodist chapel at Wotton Under Edge, Glos. It appears that your Isaac, Jacob and Christopher Keeling are probably brothers. Bernice

Hello Roy As Pat has said, there was an Isaac Keeling with wife Sarah at Yate, Glos in 1851 although on that census he says he was born Poynton, Cheshire and it states he was blind. His age was 57 and a labourer and Sarah was age 56 born Thornbury, Glos. James Ford, his wife's son, was age 29 a coal miner was living with them. A daughter Rebecca Keeling age 17 and a nephew Luke Kendle age 13, also a coal miner were also living with Isaac and Sarah Keeling. Both Rebecca and Luke gave their parish of birth as Cromhall. Just 8 calls away on the Yate 1851 census was Jacob Keeling age 55 a coal miner born Northampton and his wife Edith age 58 born Greazley, Notts. Their children were William age 28, Celia age 20 and Hannah age 16 with a William White age 2. These were also all born at Cromhall, Glos. I cannot tell you whether Isaac and Jacob Keeling had a father called William but I see they both died in the Clifton Registration District of Bristol. Isaac aged 75 in the December quarter of 1868 and Jacob aged 81 in the March quarter of 1877. Hope this helps. Bernice

Pat, Once again, many thanks for all the information - that will keep me busy for a while. Also, a visit to Bristol must be entered on the calendar for when the weather will be warmer! My 70 year old bones do not like the cold. Best wishes Roy -----Original Message----- From: bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Hase Sent: 02 April 2010 15:52 To: bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B&D] Isaac Keeling Hi Roy, Yes, the originals will be in the Bristol Record Office. http://archives.bristol-city.gov.uk/. Being a curious soul, I took a look at a CD of Gloucestershire Baptisms obtainable from the Glos FHS http://www.gfhs.org.uk/ on which I saw that a William and Sarah FORD had several children christened at Cromhall between 1814 and 1822. William was a carpenter. I found a marriage of a William FORD of Cromhall with a Sarah BAKER which took place at Thornbury 20 June 1811. A William FORD was buried aged 27 at Cromhall 20 Oct 1822. These last two were also from CDs obtainable from the Glos FHS. The Isaac KEELING in Yate in 1851 who married the widow Sarah FORD states that he was born in Poynton, Cheshire. So he has done a bit of straying! Mind you, in 1861 he says he was born in Eastwood, Nottinghamshire, So anything's possible. Good Luck! Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keeling" <roy.keeling@tesco.net> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [B&D] Isaac Keeling > Hello Pat, > > Many thanks for your reply especially the additional information. > > Would you know where the original records are housed? > > Many thanks once again > > Roy > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Roy, Yes, the originals will be in the Bristol Record Office. http://archives.bristol-city.gov.uk/. Being a curious soul, I took a look at a CD of Gloucestershire Baptisms obtainable from the Glos FHS http://www.gfhs.org.uk/ on which I saw that a William and Sarah FORD had several children christened at Cromhall between 1814 and 1822. William was a carpenter. I found a marriage of a William FORD of Cromhall with a Sarah BAKER which took place at Thornbury 20 June 1811. A William FORD was buried aged 27 at Cromhall 20 Oct 1822. These last two were also from CDs obtainable from the Glos FHS. The Isaac KEELING in Yate in 1851 who married the widow Sarah FORD states that he was born in Poynton, Cheshire. So he has done a bit of straying! Mind you, in 1861 he says he was born in Eastwood, Nottinghamshire, So anything's possible. Good Luck! Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keeling" <roy.keeling@tesco.net> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [B&D] Isaac Keeling > Hello Pat, > > Many thanks for your reply especially the additional information. > > Would you know where the original records are housed? > > Many thanks once again > > Roy >

<<snipped>> But I was getting poor results and have recently tried with some known IGI data. This came up on the main site but not on the beta site. Has anyone else found this ? <<snipped>> Yes - I'm fairly certain that there has been no concerted effort to load all the old IGI onto the FS Pilot site. Some of it is - and maybe the BVRI stuff is. Or isn't! By the way - the URL you quote is for the FS _Pilot_ site. There is also a FS _Beta_ site using different software but there is no virtue in using it since the data is the same as the Pilot or even less. Confused? (The version I prefer is "If you're not confused, then you don't know what's going on...") Adrian B

<<snipped>> it seems that anyone who was in the 1939 National Register and is still alive can "get their own information for free under the Data Protection Act" in the form of a Subject Access Request. I don't know if this includes information on others living at the same address, but if so it could be very handy! <<snipped>> It won't - as far as I remember, access under the Data Protection Act will be solely to enable the requester to check the accuracy of the data held against themselves. Information about anyone else at that address will not be relevant to the accuracy of that person's own data. (You might say "But I need to check the accuracy of who else lived at my address" - it won't work, I suggest, since the accuracy or otherwise of that data won't affect you in the slightest.) Adrian B

On 2 Apr 2010 at 13:10, Keeling wrote: > Hello, I'm new to this list and am wondering whether SKS can help me. > > I have found what I believe to be, a 2nd marriage of my Gt Gt > grandfather, Isaac KEELING to a Sarah FORD 18 August 1833. I found > this on Ancestry and the source citation is as follows: - Place > Bristol; Collection St James. If anyone has access to the Parish > Records for this I really would be pleased if you could tell me what > is the stated condition of Isaac eg Widower and also whether or not > his father's name is William. > The register will very likely say that he was a widower, if that was the case, but if you are expecting the entry to give the name of his father, then forget it ! Names of parents did not appear in marriages until after the advent of civil registration on 1st July 1837, and even after that date you only get the names of the fathers, not the mothers (in England and Wales, that is, the Scottish system is rather better and does show them from 1855 onwards). In 1833 you can expect to find the following information in a marriage register..... Names of the parties. Whether "of this parish" or the name of the parish if one of the parties came from a different one. Bridegroom's occupation. Marital status, i.e. bachelor, spinster, widow/widower, etc. Signatures of the bride and groom and witnesses (often they signed with a cross if illiterate). Name of the officiating minister. It's a common misconception among beginners that marriage registers before 1837 gave the names of parents - hardly ever. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hello Pat, Many thanks for your reply especially the additional information. Would you know where the original records are housed? Many thanks once again Roy -----Original Message----- From: bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Hase Sent: 02 April 2010 14:56 To: bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B&D] Isaac Keeling As this marriage is pre-Civil registration there is no guarantee that his condition will be mentioned - also it is highly unlikely that his father's name will be mentioned. The transcription available on CD from the Bristol & Avon FHS simply states the names and that they were both of this parish - nothing else. However it would be worth looking at the originals because in some cases at St James the condition has been noted. If they are the Isaac & Sarah KEELING living at Yate in 1851, it looks as if this Sarah had had a child before the marriage - James born in Cromhall in 1822. On the 1841 census there are two more children of Sarah, - Thomas & John FORD So she might have been a widow (or a single mother!) Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keeling" <roy.keeling@tesco.net> To: <BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 1:10 PM Subject: [B&D] Isaac Keeling > Hello, I'm new to this list and am wondering whether SKS can help me. > > I have found what I believe to be, a 2nd marriage of my Gt Gt grandfather, > Isaac KEELING to a Sarah FORD 18 August 1833. > I found this on Ancestry and the source citation is as follows: - Place > Bristol; Collection St James. > If anyone has access to the Parish Records for this I really would be > pleased if you could tell me what is the stated condition of Isaac eg > Widower and also whether or not his father's name is William. > > Many thanks for taking the time to read this. > > Roy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Charani, Many thanks for a very speedy response. I have experience of some parish records giving a father's name and Occupation, even for ag labs, and was hoping other parishes may also have recorded the information. It looks as though I am barking up the wrong tree if it was a first marriage as I have my Isaac born 1792 and married in Stockport, where his children were also born. As I have been unable to find a record of his death I thought he may have 'strayed'. I will also see whether or not the other marriage may fit in, but I now think it was just wishful thinking. Once again, many thanks Roy -----Original Message----- From: bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Charani Sent: 02 April 2010 14:19 To: bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B&D] Isaac Keeling Keeling wrote: > Hello, I'm new to this list and am wondering whether SKS can help me. Welcome :)) > I have found what I believe to be, a 2nd marriage of my Gt Gt grandfather, > Isaac KEELING to a Sarah FORD 18 August 1833. > I found this on Ancestry and the source citation is as follows: - Place > Bristol; Collection St James. > If anyone has access to the Parish Records for this I really would be > pleased if you could tell me what is the stated condition of Isaac eg > Widower and also whether or not his father's name is William. Father's names weren't given until after the start of Civil Registration unless the father was a local worthy but even then not always. I've had a look on the Bristol & Avon Marriages CD and there's no additional information other than you have already other than the marriage was by banns and both were given as OTP. Widowers and widows are indicated which may suggest Isaac and Sarah's marriage was a first for both. There was another marriage which may or may not be of interest: that of Lamrock KEELLING [sic] to Elizabeth PANES at Ss Philip & Jacob on 20 Apr 1834. Both were OTP and the marriage was by banns. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As this marriage is pre-Civil registration there is no guarantee that his condition will be mentioned - also it is highly unlikely that his father's name will be mentioned. The transcription available on CD from the Bristol & Avon FHS simply states the names and that they were both of this parish - nothing else. However it would be worth looking at the originals because in some cases at St James the condition has been noted. If they are the Isaac & Sarah KEELING living at Yate in 1851, it looks as if this Sarah had had a child before the marriage - James born in Cromhall in 1822. On the 1841 census there are two more children of Sarah, - Thomas & John FORD So she might have been a widow (or a single mother!) Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keeling" <roy.keeling@tesco.net> To: <BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 1:10 PM Subject: [B&D] Isaac Keeling > Hello, I'm new to this list and am wondering whether SKS can help me. > > I have found what I believe to be, a 2nd marriage of my Gt Gt grandfather, > Isaac KEELING to a Sarah FORD 18 August 1833. > I found this on Ancestry and the source citation is as follows: - Place > Bristol; Collection St James. > If anyone has access to the Parish Records for this I really would be > pleased if you could tell me what is the stated condition of Isaac eg > Widower and also whether or not his father's name is William. > > Many thanks for taking the time to read this. > > Roy

Charani Many thanks. By the way - I have been using the LDS beta familysearch website for a while (http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html?datestamp=1203730494621#start) on the assumption that it would give results as good as, hopefully better than, their main website. But I was getting poor results and have recently tried with some known IGI data. This came up on the main site but not on the beta site. Has anyone else found this ? Ian L

Keeling wrote: > Hello, I'm new to this list and am wondering whether SKS can help me. Welcome :)) > I have found what I believe to be, a 2nd marriage of my Gt Gt grandfather, > Isaac KEELING to a Sarah FORD 18 August 1833. > I found this on Ancestry and the source citation is as follows: - Place > Bristol; Collection St James. > If anyone has access to the Parish Records for this I really would be > pleased if you could tell me what is the stated condition of Isaac eg > Widower and also whether or not his father's name is William. Father's names weren't given until after the start of Civil Registration unless the father was a local worthy but even then not always. I've had a look on the Bristol & Avon Marriages CD and there's no additional information other than you have already other than the marriage was by banns and both were given as OTP. Widowers and widows are indicated which may suggest Isaac and Sarah's marriage was a first for both. There was another marriage which may or may not be of interest: that of Lamrock KEELLING [sic] to Elizabeth PANES at Ss Philip & Jacob on 20 Apr 1834. Both were OTP and the marriage was by banns. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Hi Ian, No Hey or Hay baptisms on the B&AFHS CD, but there are 3 cases where children were "BAPTISED BY MR HEY OF CASTLE GREEN" at BRIDGE STREET CONGREGATIONAL Jacky ======================================================================== Jacky Jackson-Cox Personal web page: http://www.btinternet.com/~jacky3/ Last updated 01/02/2010 --- On Fri, 2/4/10, IAN LOGAN <ian@logann.orangehome.co.uk> wrote: > From: IAN LOGAN <ian@logann.orangehome.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [B&D] HEY query > To: bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com > Date: Friday, 2 April, 2010, 11:48 > Hello listers > > Does anyone have easy access to Bristol non-conformist > baptism/burial > listings for period 1789 to 1804 ? Looking for any HEY > baptisms or child > burials during that period. Parents would be John and Ann > HEY who lived > somewhere near Castle Green. > Thanks > > Ian L > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Hello, I'm new to this list and am wondering whether SKS can help me. I have found what I believe to be, a 2nd marriage of my Gt Gt grandfather, Isaac KEELING to a Sarah FORD 18 August 1833. I found this on Ancestry and the source citation is as follows: - Place Bristol; Collection St James. If anyone has access to the Parish Records for this I really would be pleased if you could tell me what is the stated condition of Isaac eg Widower and also whether or not his father's name is William. Many thanks for taking the time to read this. Roy

Hi Carol I see I missed out the church in my message...sorry about that. It was Kingswood. Caroline

I have received yet another email this morning - I thought Good Friday was a Bank Holiday, but maybe that's why the service costs so much?! Not that it tells me anything further...(see below) And quoting the "LostCousins newsletter" <http://lostcousins.com/newsletters/easter10news.htm> which I received this morning it seems that anyone who was in the 1939 National Register and is still alive can "get their own information for free under the Data Protection Act" in the form of a Subject Access Request. I don't know if this includes information on others living at the same address, but if so it could be very handy! Happy Easter to all! Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Enquiries, CRM" To: <polly@rowberry.org> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 11:02 AM Subject: -----SPAM----- Follow up to your enquiry ref : NIC-43916-XRQZ6 - Log Reference request Dear [me] Thank you for your patience, may I apologise for the delay in obtaining a response to your enquiry 'Log Reference request ' received on 19/03/2010 09:44 . Enquiry reference number NIC-43916-XRQZ6 . I can confirm this has been escalated to our specialist team who are still dealing with your request. We will endeavour to keep you informed of the status of your enquiry. Kind Regards Contact Centre Team The Information Centre for Health and Social Care

IAN LOGAN wrote: > Does anyone have easy access to Bristol non-conformist baptism/burial > listings for period 1789 to 1804 ? Looking for any HEY baptisms or child > burials during that period. Parents would be John and Ann HEY who lived > somewhere near Castle Green. There's nothing on the BAFHS Non Conformist Baptisms 1754-1837 CD. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Thanks for the input, Charani: >There were several instances in Walton when one of the overseers was >female. Most of the time though she nominated a man to stand for her. Sarah Greenfield evidently played a full part in the duties of the post, though in a couple of places she notes that payments were made "on the advice of J Coombs" (the churchwarden). >I'm not sure what the qualifications were, but the ability to write >wasn't one of them! Sadly the Nailsea overseers acounts only survive as a (apparently mid-late Victorian) transcription so I cannot assess the handwriting. But Sarah's entries have characteristics of their own, including more extensive use of people's initials instead of names, and the use of numerals in place of months (8m^th for August, for example). She was apparently highly literate and well educated. Unfortunately at this time the rates returns are not included in the overseer's accounts - assessment and collection of rates had apparently been "outsourced" to the schoolteacher at this time - so I cannot see what property she held. Incidentally, I cannot resist the following entry for those who share my macabre affection for inappropriate wording: 12th October 1807 - Paid Mr Help his bill for the Jurymen & Coroner when they sat on the Body of James Vawer - 13 shillings 8 pence ha'penny. Best wishes, Ian

Sorry. Forgot to say surname could be HEY or HAY. ----- Original Message ----- From: "IAN LOGAN" <ian@logann.orangehome.co.uk> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [B&D] HEY query > Hello listers > > Does anyone have easy access to Bristol non-conformist baptism/burial > listings for period 1789 to 1804 ? Looking for any HEY baptisms or child > burials during that period. Parents would be John and Ann HEY who lived > somewhere near Castle Green. > Thanks > > Ian L >

Hello listers Does anyone have easy access to Bristol non-conformist baptism/burial listings for period 1789 to 1804 ? Looking for any HEY baptisms or child burials during that period. Parents would be John and Ann HEY who lived somewhere near Castle Green. Thanks Ian L