Does the certificate say mother Lily Lightholder or Lily Lambourne formerly Lightholder. I also note on familysearch there is a Pedigree Resource File submitted by Adrian John Lambourne of 81 Darwin Terrace Mandurah WA mentioning William John Lambourne born 4 Feb 1869 3 Bartletts Place Lyncombe and Widcombe Bath and Lily Lightholder Mike in Droitwich pat bernie wrote: > > Later that year son George Bertie was born (freebmd Sept 1901 Bristol 6a 55) > Birth Cert confirms that he was born at 249 Hotwells Rd -father William but mother Lily Lightholder. - another anomaly! >

Liz - Please add me to the list of attendees if the planes are flying there by then from the US. I am sorry that I had some complications pop up and wasn't able to host you last fall. Peter Wilson Emmons and Wilson, Inc. 41 Pine Street, New Canaan, CT 06840 Tel: (203) 966-1679 Fax:(203) 972-3399 petewilson@ewinsure.com

Hi Liz, Oct 2nd is fine for me and so is the proposed location in Clevedon! Look forward to meeting up with old friends and perhaps making a few new ones. Please add me to the list. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz" <e.newbery@btinternet.com> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 7:15 PM Subject: [B&D] 2010 Bunfight > Hello everyone...I hope you've all had a good Easter break and are now > getting back to research. > > While trying to find another interesting location for a bunfight, I > decided > to try the Salt House at Clevedon. This is an ideal location with masses > of > car park...I should know, I was at school only yards away! > > As I'm hoping to go to Australia in October, the weekend that best suits > me > for a Bunfight is 2nd October. October can be beautiful weather, an > Indian > Summer, the kids are back at school, students are at Uni so it should be > lovely and peaceful.

<<snipped>> You seem to have a Sarah and a Lily. <<snipped>> Just seeing the 2 names together makes me wonder - "Sally" is a nickname for "Sarah". Could "Sally" have been misread as "Lilly"? Adrian B

<<snipped>> "A search has been carried out in the 1939 register and I can confirm the following:" And it then proceeds to give the details of the three people living at the same address as my grandmother in 1939. <<snipped>> Seems like I was wrong in expecting them to suppress details of other people living at the same address. Looking again at the application form, it states "Data will be provided ... only where the individual is now recorded as deceased". Presumably, therefore, the Register contained the data that those other 2 are now dead - and so I wonder what it would say if anyone else were there who is still alive (or rather - not recorded as dead) - would it say "and X others"? Or just not mention them at all? (Which from a security viewpoint is what it should do) Anyone seen any examples of mentions of still living people? Adrian B

OK, here's my two penn'orth! You seem to have a Sarah and a Lily. Do you think there could definitely be two separate women there? Sarah got fed up with William and left him with the children, he then shacked up with Lily! Perhaps Lily got fed up with him too and walked out. William might have emigrated! He might have walked out on Lily leaving all his children with her and she probably didn't want them so she put them in care??? There is a William LAMBERT age 53 died in Bath in Jun 1904. I recently sent for a Death Certificate which was 20 years out...I was convinced it was mine and I was right. Having looked at that page of the GRO it's not that clear anyway. 249 Hotwells Road appears to be missing from the census in 1911. Did you look at Kellys Directory while you were at the Record Office - they have several copies there and I found them very helpful. As for the baptisms - not everyone bothered to get their children baptised after the GRO started as they had to pay for the Birth Registration so they saw no point in paying twice unless they were religious! At the beginning of Registration not everyone bothered to register their children, believing that Baptism would suffice and it was probably cheaper! Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset ----- Original Message ----- From: "pat bernie" <thebulleys@yahoo.co.uk> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 9:41 PM Subject: [B&D] suggestions please for further research Dear Listers I have just spent the day at the Bristol records office and found NOTHING - despite having quite a lot of information to go on. I have hit a brick wall. If anyone would like to make suggestions for further clues, please read on. Information from Census.1901 @ 249 Hotwells Rd Bristol Although the following family should be Lambourne it has been wrongly transcribed as Lambert- it is definitely the right family. William Lambert 32 mar Baker bn Bath Som Sarah J Lambert 33 wife bn Bradford Yorkshire william Lambert son 7 bn Bristol Frank Lambert son 5 born Bristol Mabel Lambert dau 3 bn Bristol (freebmd birth Dec 1/4 1898 Barton Regis 6a 126) Later that year son George Bertie was born (freebmd Sept 1901 Bristol 6a 55) Birth Cert confirms that he was born at 249 Hotwells Rd -father William but mother Lily Lightholder. - another anomaly! I have searched the parish records which include Hotwells Rd & the ones surrounding, i.e St Andrews Clifton, Holy Trinity Hotwell, St Andrew the lesser, no luck. I cannot find the baptisms of William, Frank Mabel or George Bertie. Ten years later - 1911 census back to the name Lambourne. Frank is a cabinet maker boarding at Pennywell Road Bristol Mabel and George (age 12 & 9) are 'inmates' at a school in Keynsham. I have subsequently discovered that they are at the Crescent homes Downend- a refuge for orphan & destitute children cared for by the Bristol Poor Law Union Board of Guardians. I cannot find the deaths of parents ( William and Sarah/Lily) either on Freebmd or Ancestry. The parish records are not available - destroyed in the Blitz. I thought of the possibility of one parent still alive and having to go into the workhouse whilst the children were looked after in the home. Again some records destroyed in the Blitz. No joy in electoral registers either! Any suggestions gratefully received ----and thank you to anyone who has read this far. Best wishes Pat ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pat I am not quite sure if that part of Hotwells Road is in Clifton but the Bristol Reference Library (not the Bristol Records Office) holds copies of most editions of the weekly Clifton Chronicle and Directory from 1852 onwards. Each week it contained a list of residential addresses in Clifton together with the names ( usually surname / initial) of the principal adult occupants - there was also an index to the names. The Library website might tell you if this newspaper still existed after 1900. If not I suggest phoning them. They may also be able to tell you whether the Hotwells Rd address you are interested in is listed. They might even be willing to look up your address in a few specific editions of the Chronocle and Directory to see who is living there. I have found these listings very useful when researching pre-1900 Clifton residents. Ian L Pat Bernie wrote To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 9:41 PM Subject: [B&D] suggestions please for further research Dear Listers I have just spent the day at the Bristol records office and found NOTHING - despite having quite a lot of information to go on. I have hit a brick wall. If anyone would like to make suggestions for further clues, please read on. Information from Census.1901 @ 249 Hotwells Rd Bristol

RD in the context you cite usually means rural district, ie the area outside the boundaries of the town which will be identified as UD for urban district. Sometimes you will find RSD for rural sanitary district. You will often find these initials in the first column of birth and death certificates and on census returns HB --- On Sat, 17/4/10, Polly Rubery <polly@rowberry.org> wrote: > From: Polly Rubery <polly@rowberry.org> > Subject: [B&D] Final update on 1939 Register request - Marion RUBERY with William HODGSON & Robert LEIGHTON > To: bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com > Date: Saturday, 17 April, 2010, 9:57 > I have received several further > emails all saying the same as the one I > forwarded to the List on Good Friday so I decided not to > bore you all with > them, but yesterday I received two more.  One saying: > > >>According to our records, your enquiry  > NIC-43916-XRQZ6  has been resolved > >>and we have now closed our enquiry log.<< > > And the other said: > > >>In response to your recent 1939 Register > application please see the > >>attached document.<< > > Which was a letter from the NHS Information Centre saying > > "A search has been carried out in the 1939 register and I > can confirm the > following:" > > And it then proceeds to give the details of the three > people living at the > same address as my grandmother in 1939.  The address > is given as "2 Broad > Lane Sodbury R. D." with no explanation of what RD means, > nor any mention of > the fact that it was in Yate. > > My grandmother's name, Marion RUBERY (just one forename, > not her whole > name - she had three forenames) and DOB 26 Nov 1877 > (correct) are given and > her Marital status is given as "married" and her occupation > as "Domestic > duties".  So far nothing really new for me there. > > The interesting thing was the two other people living at > the same address, > who may have been lodgers, although no relationship is > given.  They are: > > William HODGSON, born 29 Sep 1914 (a nice birthday present > for him?!), > Single, Turner > Robert LEIGHTON, born 7 Sep 1882, Single, General labourer > > William HODGSON died in the Bristol RD in Sep 1994 and he > may have been the > one married to Margaret B JOHNSTON Mar 1942 Bristol.  > There are quite a few > possibilities for his birth, none local to Bristol.  > The marriage seems to > have produced two children, one registered in Bristol in > Dec 1944 (Michael > C, married BRIMBLE Sep 1968 Kingswood) and another in > Kingswood in Mar 1948 > (Jennifer S, married DOEY Sep 1965 Kingswood ) > > As to Robert LEIGHTON there are three of them of around the > right age listed > in the 1911 census, two of whom are already married.  > The third is working > on a farm in Wales and said to have been born in > "Yorkshire".  I can match > the two married ones with births in the GRO index matching > the places they > are said to be born, but I cannot match this one, neither > can I find any > definite sighting of him after 1939. > > I'd be very interested to know if anyone has any connection > or knowledge of > any of these people. > > At least it came just in time for my evening class on > "Census" on Monday! > Kind regards > Polly > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

I have received several further emails all saying the same as the one I forwarded to the List on Good Friday so I decided not to bore you all with them, but yesterday I received two more. One saying: >>According to our records, your enquiry NIC-43916-XRQZ6 has been resolved >>and we have now closed our enquiry log.<< And the other said: >>In response to your recent 1939 Register application please see the >>attached document.<< Which was a letter from the NHS Information Centre saying "A search has been carried out in the 1939 register and I can confirm the following:" And it then proceeds to give the details of the three people living at the same address as my grandmother in 1939. The address is given as "2 Broad Lane Sodbury R. D." with no explanation of what RD means, nor any mention of the fact that it was in Yate. My grandmother's name, Marion RUBERY (just one forename, not her whole name - she had three forenames) and DOB 26 Nov 1877 (correct) are given and her Marital status is given as "married" and her occupation as "Domestic duties". So far nothing really new for me there. The interesting thing was the two other people living at the same address, who may have been lodgers, although no relationship is given. They are: William HODGSON, born 29 Sep 1914 (a nice birthday present for him?!), Single, Turner Robert LEIGHTON, born 7 Sep 1882, Single, General labourer William HODGSON died in the Bristol RD in Sep 1994 and he may have been the one married to Margaret B JOHNSTON Mar 1942 Bristol. There are quite a few possibilities for his birth, none local to Bristol. The marriage seems to have produced two children, one registered in Bristol in Dec 1944 (Michael C, married BRIMBLE Sep 1968 Kingswood) and another in Kingswood in Mar 1948 (Jennifer S, married DOEY Sep 1965 Kingswood ) As to Robert LEIGHTON there are three of them of around the right age listed in the 1911 census, two of whom are already married. The third is working on a farm in Wales and said to have been born in "Yorkshire". I can match the two married ones with births in the GRO index matching the places they are said to be born, but I cannot match this one, neither can I find any definite sighting of him after 1939. I'd be very interested to know if anyone has any connection or knowledge of any of these people. At least it came just in time for my evening class on "Census" on Monday! Kind regards Polly

Hi Pat, Certainly a puzzle ! I scratched my head and didn't come up with much. The only suggestion I can make is that you might look at the street directories in Bristol Reference Library (College Green) to see whether the family show up in Hotwell Road and, if so, when they disappear from there. At least that might narrow down the year that something happened to break up the family. If there are any workhouse records for that time, you could then check these. I know that a Creed register for Stapleton Workhouse survives, but it may be too early for your purposes. Good luck ! Mike Gould Leicestershire -----Original Message----- From: bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of pat bernie Sent: 16 April 2010 21:42 To: bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com Subject: [B&D] suggestions please for further research Dear Listers I have just spent the day at the Bristol records office and found NOTHING - despite having quite a lot of information to go on.  I have hit a brick wall.   If anyone would like to make suggestions for further clues, please read on. Information from Census.1901 @ 249 Hotwells Rd Bristol Although the following family should be Lambourne it has been wrongly transcribed as Lambert- it is definitely the right family. William Lambert 32 mar Baker bn Bath Som Sarah J Lambert 33 wife  bn Bradford Yorkshire william Lambert son 7 bn Bristol Frank Lambert son 5 born Bristol Mabel Lambert dau 3 bn Bristol (freebmd birth Dec 1/4 1898 Barton Regis 6a 126) Later that year son George Bertie was born (freebmd Sept 1901 Bristol 6a 55) Birth Cert confirms that he was born at 249 Hotwells Rd -father William but mother Lily Lightholder. - another anomaly! I have searched the parish records which include Hotwells Rd & the ones surrounding, i.e St Andrews Clifton, Holy Trinity Hotwell, St Andrew the lesser, no luck. I cannot find the baptisms of William, Frank Mabel or George Bertie.   Ten years later - 1911 census back to the name Lambourne. Frank is a cabinet maker boarding at Pennywell Road Bristol Mabel and George (age 12 & 9) are 'inmates' at a school in Keynsham.  I have subsequently discovered that they are at the Crescent homes Downend- a refuge for orphan & destitute children cared for by the Bristol Poor Law Union Board of Guardians. I cannot find the deaths of parents ( William and Sarah/Lily) either on Freebmd or Ancestry.  The parish records are not available - destroyed in the Blitz.   I thought of the possibility of one parent still alive and having to go into the workhouse whilst the children were looked after in the home.  Again some records destroyed in the Blitz.   No joy in electoral registers either!     Any suggestions gratefully received ----and thank you to anyone who has read this far.   Best wishes Pat ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pat A long shot - possibly worth investigating as dates (more or less) and fathers name fit. IGI has a John PALMER baptised Wellingborough, Notts 26 Jul 1848. Parents given as Isaac PALMER and Elizabeth. Looks like an extraction so probably fairly reliable. A brother, Morris PALMER was baptised Wellingborough 19 Sep 1852., same mother and father. and ...... a John PALMER birth was registered Oct-Dec 1846 Wellingborough ( Ref Vol 15 Page 410). Census and/or baptism records should tell you whether this Isaac was a mason. Cheers Ian L ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Cook" <paver207@yahoo.co.uk> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [B&D] SUMMERS marr PALMER 1871 Have you seen them? > > Thank you Hilary for the suggestion of looking at the 'Mason Site' I will > see if I can find it and check for John Manley Palmer. > > Havnt used Cyndi's list for a long time, so will check that out tomorrow. > > I did look for a PALMER MANLEY marriage, but couldnt find any candidates. > Manley was a popular surname in Somerset and quite a lot in Bristol. > > John's father is named as Isaac PALMER decd, I tried looking for a death, > and also tried to find him in the various Census returns, I got very > excited with a family who's father was an Isaac PALMER and a son of the > right age called John, Most of the family born in Calne, Wilts, where they > were living, I traced them thru the census years, only to find the son > John, was still a single man aged 30 in 1881, when the John I have was > married in 1871, so still looking. > > I dont have the original Marriage Cert, that is with another > PALMER/SUMMERS/HELLINGS researcher. > > I did look for the various name variations, but I agree with you, he has > to be staring me in the face. > > I will keep searching, both Isaac and John have to be there somewhere. > > Pat > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Pat Have you looked for bakers in the trade directories for Bristol and surrounding area? Or a street directory such as Kellys for Lambournes? If you cannot get back to the RO you could look here http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/ You may like to bear in mind that some ROs, such as Norwich, only keep a few street directories and most are kept in the local libraries/local studies centres. One other thing to consider is that the churchyard might have been closed for burials by 1901 - 1911 and you might do better to look at the local authority cemetery records. The cemeteries own set of records might have survived the blitz. I suggest you check whether there any burial records post 1945 for the churches you have mentioned before you go down the cemetery route though. The Lambourns might have been a non conformist family in which case you need to look at different sets of registers. Have you found the marriage certs for all the children and do they say deceased for the father as this might give you a clue regarding the time frame for the parents' death, especially for William jnr and Frank's marriages. Prison and psychiatric hospitals plus newspaper deaths are other options. Good hunting HB --- On Fri, 16/4/10, pat bernie <thebulleys@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > From: pat bernie <thebulleys@yahoo.co.uk> > Subject: [B&D] suggestions please for further research > To: bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com > Date: Friday, 16 April, 2010, 21:41 > Dear Listers > I have just spent the day at the Bristol records office and > found NOTHING - despite having quite a lot of information to > go on.  I have hit a brick wall.   If anyone would like > to make suggestions for further clues, please read on. > > Information from Census.1901 @ 249 Hotwells Rd Bristol > Although the following family should be Lambourne it has > been wrongly transcribed as Lambert- it is definitely the > right family. > William Lambert 32 mar Baker bn Bath Som > Sarah J Lambert 33 wife  bn Bradford Yorkshire > william Lambert son 7 bn Bristol > Frank Lambert son 5 born Bristol > Mabel Lambert dau 3 bn Bristol (freebmd birth Dec 1/4 1898 > Barton Regis 6a 126) > > Later that year son George Bertie was born (freebmd Sept > 1901 Bristol 6a 55) > Birth Cert confirms that he was born at 249 Hotwells Rd > -father William but mother Lily Lightholder. - another > anomaly! > > I have searched the parish records which include Hotwells > Rd & the ones surrounding, i.e St Andrews Clifton, Holy > Trinity Hotwell, St Andrew the lesser, no luck. I cannot > find the baptisms of William, Frank Mabel or George Bertie. >   > Ten years later - 1911 census back to the name Lambourne. > Frank is a cabinet maker boarding at Pennywell Road Bristol > > Mabel and George (age 12 & 9) are 'inmates' at a school > in Keynsham.  > I have subsequently discovered that they are at the > Crescent homes Downend- a refuge for orphan & destitute > children cared for by the Bristol Poor Law Union Board of > Guardians. > I cannot find the deaths of parents ( William and > Sarah/Lily) either on Freebmd or Ancestry.  The parish > records are not available - destroyed in the Blitz. >   > I thought of the possibility of one parent still alive and > having to go into the workhouse whilst the children were > looked after in the home.  Again some records destroyed in > the Blitz. >   > No joy in electoral registers either! >   >   > Any suggestions gratefully received ----and thank you to > anyone who has read this far. >   > Best wishes > Pat > >

Dear Listers I have just spent the day at the Bristol records office and found NOTHING - despite having quite a lot of information to go on.  I have hit a brick wall.   If anyone would like to make suggestions for further clues, please read on. Information from Census.1901 @ 249 Hotwells Rd Bristol Although the following family should be Lambourne it has been wrongly transcribed as Lambert- it is definitely the right family. William Lambert 32 mar Baker bn Bath Som Sarah J Lambert 33 wife  bn Bradford Yorkshire william Lambert son 7 bn Bristol Frank Lambert son 5 born Bristol Mabel Lambert dau 3 bn Bristol (freebmd birth Dec 1/4 1898 Barton Regis 6a 126) Later that year son George Bertie was born (freebmd Sept 1901 Bristol 6a 55) Birth Cert confirms that he was born at 249 Hotwells Rd -father William but mother Lily Lightholder. - another anomaly! I have searched the parish records which include Hotwells Rd & the ones surrounding, i.e St Andrews Clifton, Holy Trinity Hotwell, St Andrew the lesser, no luck. I cannot find the baptisms of William, Frank Mabel or George Bertie.   Ten years later - 1911 census back to the name Lambourne. Frank is a cabinet maker boarding at Pennywell Road Bristol Mabel and George (age 12 & 9) are 'inmates' at a school in Keynsham.  I have subsequently discovered that they are at the Crescent homes Downend- a refuge for orphan & destitute children cared for by the Bristol Poor Law Union Board of Guardians. I cannot find the deaths of parents ( William and Sarah/Lily) either on Freebmd or Ancestry.  The parish records are not available - destroyed in the Blitz.   I thought of the possibility of one parent still alive and having to go into the workhouse whilst the children were looked after in the home.  Again some records destroyed in the Blitz.   No joy in electoral registers either!     Any suggestions gratefully received ----and thank you to anyone who has read this far.   Best wishes Pat

Hallo Pat Presumably you have a copy of the marriage certificate? Does it give his fatner's name and have you searched for his father in earlier census returns? Marriages Sep 1871 Palmer John Manley Bristol 6a 159 Were they married by Banns of licence - a licence application might give more details? Might be worth looking for a marriage between a Mr Palmer and a Miss Manley. Perhaps he was usually recorded as John Palmer and only used the Manley part of his name for formal occasions - ie he's simply staring you in the face I see that John M P was a mason. Have you looked at the website giving details of all known masons to see if he is there? It started with masons in the west country and then spread out. I have not looked at it for a long time, but Googling for Masons + list would probably find it. If not, try Cindys list. HB --- On Thu, 15/4/10, Pat Cook <paver207@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > From: Pat Cook <paver207@yahoo.co.uk> > Subject: [B&D] SUMMERS marr PALMER 1871 Have you seen them? > To: BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, 15 April, 2010, 15:37 > Need a fresh pair of eyes with this > one. > > John Manley PALMER, 22, bach, Mason, s/o Isaac PALMER Decd > Clara Ann SUMMERS, 21, spin. d/o Wm SUMMERS Decd, they > marry 1871 Bristol. > > Clara has a son Wm PALMER 4 Aug 1872, then marries again 24 > Mar 1873 to William ALLEN alias HELLINGS. > > I cannot find John Manley PALMER in a census, FreeBMD, IGI, > Google, in or around Bristol or anywhere. > > Has anybody seen or heard of him > Pat

Thank you Hilary for the suggestion of looking at the 'Mason Site' I will see if I can find it and check for John Manley Palmer. Havnt used Cyndi's list for a long time, so will check that out tomorrow. I did look for a PALMER MANLEY marriage, but couldnt find any candidates. Manley was a popular surname in Somerset and quite a lot in Bristol. John's father is named as Isaac PALMER decd, I tried looking for a death, and also tried to find him in the various Census returns, I got very excited with a family who's father was an Isaac PALMER and a son of the right age called John, Most of the family born in Calne, Wilts, where they were living, I traced them thru the census years, only to find the son John, was still a single man aged 30 in 1881, when the John I have was married in 1871, so still looking. I dont have the original Marriage Cert, that is with another PALMER/SUMMERS/HELLINGS researcher. I did look for the various name variations, but I agree with you, he has to be staring me in the face. I will keep searching, both Isaac and John have to be there somewhere. Pat

This is not strictly B&D but Ian first brought to my attention The Surman Index Online Dr Williams's Centre for Dissenting Studies on this list (Index is of Congregational and Independent Ministers). I found my 4G Grandfather Joseph Griffiths on the list as it gave his first Chapel as Bilston where my 3G Grandfather Apollos was born and baptised. Also listed were other chapels where he was a minister and checking baptisms at one I found another son William baptised 1820 from this I was able to check the 1841 census and there was William with his mother Mary (Joseph died Feb 1841) and possibly another son James (b1826 I am trying to find the register for the chapel where Joseph was minister at the time to confirm if he was his son). In the 1841 census, staying with Mary was a George Adams which helped to confirm I had the right marriage for Joseph. Finally in the Index there was the date of death for Joseph and although no confirmed source who his father was (another minister also in the Index). So it just goes to show the answers are out there, it's just knowing where. Tony

Need a fresh pair of eyes with this one. John Manley PALMER, 22, bach, Mason, s/o Isaac PALMER Decd Clara Ann SUMMERS, 21, spin. d/o Wm SUMMERS Decd, they marry 1871 Bristol. Clara has a son Wm PALMER 4 Aug 1872, then marries again 24 Mar 1873 to William ALLEN alias HELLINGS. I cannot find John Manley PALMER in a census, FreeBMD, IGI, Google, in or around Bristol or anywhere. Has anybody seen or heard of him Pat

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Forgive my ignorance - could someone please explain what you mean by a bunfight?? I'm intrigued, even though I have no hope of attending! Cheers Chris, Sydney Australia