That is the information he gives on every census after 1851 where he shows as a Baker and Flour Dealer at 2 Maudlin Street, Bristol, but I have not been able to find him anywhere in the 1841 Census. His brother ROBERT RIPPON had a bakery at 10 Milk Street, Bristol for some years. His wife HANNAH RIPPON BORN 1810,Bristol, and their children are shown at the following address. > Census 1841 > TNA Ref HO107-0374 > Image No 343 > Folio No 20 > Page No 34 > Entry No 4 > County SOMERSET > Superintendent Registrar's District BRISTOL > Registrar's District CASTLE PRECINCTS > Enumeration District No 3 > Parish ST PETER > City BRISTOL > Township > Place BROAD WEIR > Household Number 1762 He shows as living with them in every census after 1841 until he died in 1888 while living in Bedminster with daughter Charlotte CLARK. I would appreciate Listers keeping an eye open for this name when looking at the 1841 census. Thanks Maureen

Tell me about it Chirani!    I have spent endless hours with one of my families and still I'm back where I started.  In view of all the experienced people on this list I thought I would put out a plea for help with the following details. William Ebenezer Yeates born 1844 Bristol ( sometimes Yates/Yeats) Married Elizabeth Bick 1866 - their daughter Mary Elizabeth Mortimer Bick born at Uley, Glos, 2 yrs before their marriage . Elizabeth Yeates nee Bick died Jan 1876 William E Yeates married Emily Ann Gallop Sep 1876 All plain sailing so far but after their marriage Emily always appears on the census returns living with her father John Gallop, in Chew Magna and William lodging elsewhere. I know that could be pure coincidence and he could have been away from home working as a Gas fitter/Plumber but the following details lead me to think otherwise.   In 1891 William Yeates is living back in Bristol with a daughter Elizabeth 6yrs and a son Thomas 4yrs  (no records of their births have come to light yet in my searches and I have tried all spelling variants I can think of)) and at the same address is a widow Elizabeth Clifford  ( her husband George died 1883) with her 6 children.  By 1901 Elizabeth Clifford is listed as Elizabeth Yeates,wife of William and they have moved to Bath. Meanwhile Emily, his lawful wife, is still living with her family in Chew Magna. The death  certificate of Emily Yeates 1901 confirms her as the wife of William but he was not the informant as an Inquest had been held as was the case with William when he died in 1915 so I assume William and Elizabeth lived as man and wife in Bath with no official status as such.   It seems very strange to me that a father has the care of two young children, Thomas and Elizabeth in 1891 when his wife is still alive and leads me to wonder if Elizabeth Clifford was their mother but their births are not registered under her name either.  Whilst Thomas appears on the 1901 census with his father  I can find no further trace of Elizabeth. If anyone can help me to find the births of these children or Elizabeth after 1891 I should be most grateful.   Janet  :o))

You can always hope that one of the children has an unusual Christian name. I've always found that extremely useful and I just type in the Christian name and an approximate date of birth give or take two years. Certainly when looking for a family on the census that's a great help. Then when they go AWOL, remember many families put their toe in the water so to speak and went abroad - even dentists were required in the colonies - they could have married abroad and then come back. I've often found that and amongst the children will be one born abroad. Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <familyhunter@family-hunter.co.uk> To: "B+D List" <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 12:14 AM Subject: [B&D] Frustrations, frustrations! > I've just spent a very frustrating day chasing a family around a > goodly part of England (and France and New Zealand) and not getting > anywhere fast! It doesn't help when they use three variations of > their surname, not just from generation to generation but within a > single family. > > Considering they had a "family pile", they were seemed to have a gypsy > in their collective soul. > > They've appeared and disappeared with great regularity. Births with > no marriages or deaths - and they can't still be alive. Marriages > with no births or deaths. Deaths with no births or marriages. > > I'm wondering if the fact several of them were dentists has anything > to do with their propensity for hiding on a regular basis ;)) > > Does anyone have any favourite ways of dealing with families like this > - other than giving up on them? > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM > Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I've just spent a very frustrating day chasing a family around a goodly part of England (and France and New Zealand) and not getting anywhere fast! It doesn't help when they use three variations of their surname, not just from generation to generation but within a single family. Considering they had a "family pile", they were seemed to have a gypsy in their collective soul. They've appeared and disappeared with great regularity. Births with no marriages or deaths - and they can't still be alive. Marriages with no births or deaths. Deaths with no births or marriages. I'm wondering if the fact several of them were dentists has anything to do with their propensity for hiding on a regular basis ;)) Does anyone have any favourite ways of dealing with families like this - other than giving up on them? -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Ian Sage wrote: > Hi Charani, > > According to FreeBMD, Harriet Florence Sage married Bristol, Dec 1908. So I > guess yours is most likely Harriet Hannah - which might explain why she > didn't use her middle name! Many thanks :)) I was so intent on following the family connections, I didn't think to look to see what had happened to the other Harriet <G> One day I'll learn not to research late in the evening, esp when I've been researching most of the day. > I don't have these families in my records. Oh! -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Thanks for all the help. Regards, Ted -----Original Message----- From: Ted Richards [mailto:e.g.richards@btinternet.com] Sent: 06 May 2010 09:16 To: 'BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT@rootsweb.com' Subject: STEPHEN RICHARDS Help please. I posted this on another site but no one replied so I thought I would try this site. I have searched back to my 3 X Great Grandfather Stephen Richards born in Frome Somerset in 1776. Could anyone help or point me in the right direction to get details of his Parents and or Siblings. He was married to Ann Bishop in 1816 and then Mary Billet in 1826. Any help or tips would be appreciated. Many thanks. Ted Richards

Hi Charani, According to FreeBMD, Harriet Florence Sage married Bristol, Dec 1908. So I guess yours is most likely Harriet Hannah - which might explain why she didn't use her middle name! I don't have these families in my records. Ian -----Original Message----- From: bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Charani Sent: 07 May 2010 11:19 To: B+D List Subject: [B&D] Harriet SAGE b 1883 Harriet SAGE married Percy Farnham PADFIELD in 1903. Neither Harriet nor Percy gave their middle names when they married. According to the 1911 census Harriet was born in 1883. Unfortunately there were two Harriets born that year: Births Jun 1883 SAGE Harriet Florence Bristol 6a 27 (parents Thomas and Emma J) Births Sep 1883 Sage Harriet Hannah Barton R. 6a 121 (parents George and Ellen) I wonder if one of our SAGE or PADFIELD researchers can help with this one please :)) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Harriet SAGE married Percy Farnham PADFIELD in 1903. Neither Harriet nor Percy gave their middle names when they married. According to the 1911 census Harriet was born in 1883. Unfortunately there were two Harriets born that year: Births Jun 1883 SAGE Harriet Florence Bristol 6a 27 (parents Thomas and Emma J) Births Sep 1883 Sage Harriet Hannah Barton R. 6a 121 (parents George and Ellen) I wonder if one of our SAGE or PADFIELD researchers can help with this one please :)) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Hi Mike I have access - what would you like to know? Dallas -----Original Message----- From: bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Matthews Sent: Friday, 7 May 2010 06:31 AM To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com; BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT@rootsweb.com Subject: [B&S] Ancestry Immigration Records Hi Does anyone have access to the 'Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839-1923' records on Ancestry? Mike ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Does anyone have access to the 'Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839-1923' records on Ancestry? Mike

Hi Ted, The Frome St John registers for this period have all been transcribed, and are available on FreeREG. http://www.freereg.org.uk/parishes/som/f.shtml#1 Check Ian Sage's website for sites hosting Frome transcription files: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/ian.sage/index.html Many registers from surrounding parishes have also been transcribed with more to come. Yvonne Scrivener Canberra ACT Australia -----Original Message----- From: bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ted Richards I have searched back to my 3 X Great Grandfather Stephen Richards born in Frome Somerset in 1776. Could anyone help or point me in the right direction to get details of his Parents and or Siblings. He was married to Ann Bishop in 1816 and then Mary Billet in 1826. Any help or tips would be appreciated.

Gosh everybody is so busy popping slips into boxes... (;-)) Edna - Ottawa

Have you tried http://www.fromeresearch.org.uk/ It's an excellent site with masses of information. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Richards" <e.g.richards@btinternet.com> To: <BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 9:15 AM Subject: [B&D] STEPHEN RICHARDS > Help please. > > I posted this on another site but no one replied so I thought I would try > this site. > > I have searched back to my 3 X Great Grandfather Stephen Richards born in > Frome Somerset in 1776. Could anyone help or point me in the right > direction > to get details of his Parents and or Siblings. He was married to Ann > Bishop > in 1816 and then Mary Billet in 1826. > Any help or tips would be appreciated. > > Many thanks. > > Ted Richards

Ted Richards wrote: > Help please. > > I posted this on another site but no one replied so I thought I would try > this site. > > I have searched back to my 3 X Great Grandfather Stephen Richards born in > Frome Somerset in 1776. Could anyone help or point me in the right direction > to get details of his Parents and or Siblings. He was married to Ann Bishop > in 1816 and then Mary Billet in 1826. > Any help or tips would be appreciated. Where have you looked so far? The IGI, FreeREG? The registers for Frome are at the Somerset Record Office, on fiche, and the films are available for a small fee from your local LDS FHC. I'm desparately trying to get to the record office before it closes in a couple of months until the autumn for their move to the new Heritage Centre, so I can't promise to have a look at the Frome registers for you. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Help please. I posted this on another site but no one replied so I thought I would try this site. I have searched back to my 3 X Great Grandfather Stephen Richards born in Frome Somerset in 1776. Could anyone help or point me in the right direction to get details of his Parents and or Siblings. He was married to Ann Bishop in 1816 and then Mary Billet in 1826. Any help or tips would be appreciated. Many thanks. Ted Richards

One of the reasons I find this interesting is that it was published by Arrowsmith and my grandfather was a hand compositor for Arrowsmiths. I'm sure that his interest in the history of Bristol which he passed on to me was fuelled by this and other similar books. He was too young to have worked on this book but I wonder how much of the text he actually read as he set the print? I have his 1906 edition of Arrowsmith's Dictionary of Bristol which is another extremely useful book and is in constant use by me. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Olsen" <adrian1@waitrose.com> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [B&D] The Industrial School Ship Formidable > How to See Bristol by J F Nicholls is indeed extremely interesting and > invaluable for establishing the whereabouts of so many places on its > walks. > It was actually updated and published in many editions over the years. The > online version is the 4th edition of 1885. I have the 5th edition from > 1889 > and the eleventh edition from 1914 (by which time the name J F Nicholls > was > dropped as he was long dead). The advantage of the book versions is that > they have a map and numerous very interesting illustrations lacking in the > Google version; on the other hand the online version has a useful text > search facility to supplement the index. The book was published by J W > Arrowsmith of Quay Street, a long-established Bristol printer and > publisher. > Adrian O > Beckenham, Kent > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charani" <familyhunter@family-hunter.co.uk> > To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 11:07 PM > Subject: Re: [B&D] The Industrial School Ship Formidable > > >> Pat Hase wrote: >> >>> A2A shows Panter, Woodward & Co as a Vinegar Brewery in Bristol >>> >>> This marvellous book has a reference to its position in Bristol >>> http://www.archive.org/stream/howtoseebristol00nichgoog#page/n116/mode/1up/search/panter >>> It was in Holton Street near Broad Weir (where my LONG ancestors lived) >> >> That is a brilliant book. I've just spent ages reading bits of it :)) >> >> -- >> Charani (UK) >> OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM >> Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM >> http://wsom-opc.org.uk >> >> >

Janet Cuff wrote: > Hi Chirani, It just so happens that at the time when we had free > access to the Gale newspaper archives I had discovered one of my > ancestors on the Formidable ship and was able to find information > about life on board etc. If you are interested I will find it and > send on to you off list. Thank you very much, that would be great :) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

What an interesting site. Thank you for posting it. Marina New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: "liverpud" <liverpud-49@rogers.com> To: "Bristol-District" <BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 12:02 PM Subject: [B&D] Bristol before the Blitz > http://www.gertlushonline.co.uk/1938-castle-green.html > > Noticed some names here... > > Edna - Ottawa > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

How to See Bristol by J F Nicholls is indeed extremely interesting and invaluable for establishing the whereabouts of so many places on its walks. It was actually updated and published in many editions over the years. The online version is the 4th edition of 1885. I have the 5th edition from 1889 and the eleventh edition from 1914 (by which time the name J F Nicholls was dropped as he was long dead). The advantage of the book versions is that they have a map and numerous very interesting illustrations lacking in the Google version; on the other hand the online version has a useful text search facility to supplement the index. The book was published by J W Arrowsmith of Quay Street, a long-established Bristol printer and publisher. I see on the very last page of the book an advert for Fry's Cocoa Extract (prerpared with the "celebrated Cocoa of Caracas"). The Bristol company J S Fry and Sons (a Quaker family) moved out of the city and opened a state-of-the-art chocolate factory at Somerdale, Keynsham, between Bristol and Bath, (in the 1930s I think) but Fry's was subsequently taken over by Cadbury's. Cadbury's has now been bought by the American firm Kraft and the Somerdale factory, which has employed generations of local families, is to close, despite previous indications that it would not. You will understand that the take-over of Cadbury's in general (Cadbury's being seen as a "national treasure") and the closure of Somerdale in particular has generated a huge amount of bad feeling nationally in the UK, so it is very sad to see these old adverts for a once-great Bristol company. I wonder if any listers have/had family members employed by Fry's? Adrian O Beckenham, Kent ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <familyhunter@family-hunter.co.uk> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 11:07 PM Subject: Re: [B&D] The Industrial School Ship Formidable > Pat Hase wrote: >> One of my HASEs was also on the Training Ship Formidable which was at >> Portishead. >> There are some records in Bristol Record Office - too late for mine who >> was >> sentenced to 5 years there in 1870, but you might find something about >> why >> your Charles was there - it would probably have been as a result of a >> Magistrates' Order. > > Many thanks. I'll add that to the list of things I need to look up at > BRO - when I get there! :)) > > I hope I'll be able to find out what mischief he'd been up to. > Probably not a lot different to thousands of other lads then or now. > >> A2A shows Panter, Woodward & Co as a Vinegar Brewery in Bristol >> >> This marvellous book has a reference to its position in Bristol >> http://www.archive.org/stream/howtoseebristol00nichgoog#page/n116/mode/1up/search/panter >> It was in Holton Street near Broad Weir (where my LONG ancestors lived) > > That is a brilliant book. I've just spent ages reading bits of it :)) > > Thanks for the reminder about A2A - a very useful resource I forget about. > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM > Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Mary Mason wrote: > Charani, I have a page on my site, in the Parish Chest section, on > HMS Formidable, it may be of interest. It shows why some of the > boys were sent there. Many thanks for that. It's very interesting esp that some of the boys were sent to the Formidable for stealing from their own parents. There seemed to be as many sent to the ship for vagrancy as there was for theft. I liked the "incorrigible" lad sent there for letting off fireworks on the highway :) Charles didn't get a mention but a John HELPS did and the YORKs and the HELPS' are related. Off now to find out who John HELPS was. Oh dear! Distracted again! ;) LOL I also noticed a VEALES so I'll pass that on to Pam Coulson's dau who's taken over Pam's research. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk