Don't overlook the more Recent Publications like "Telephone Directories"whilst looking for any Living Relatives,or someone with a fairly Rare Name you are Researching. Back in 1984 I searched the Somerset Telephone Directories that Cardiff Library had,Actually, the whole of Britain's counties on offer. I was looking in to my 4 x great,grandmother's surname of WARRY. I knew they came from the Ilminster area,so I wrote to 2 people listed in the Telephone Directory who lived in that area. One wrote back and mentioned a Fellow Researcher living in Newport South Wales. I eventually met this man,and he produced a 20ft;long Family Tree of all the WARRY's going back to a Stephen WARRY of Chard,[c.1460-1530] When I showed him my Lineage,He immediately linked my Line to his Chart,and told me that the above Stephen WARRY was my 13 x great,grandfather. And all that cost was two 13 pence stamps. Also Try Newspapers that are produced in the Area of your Research. I Linked up with several Living Cousins in the Bristol Area who seen my Story in their local Paper. HTH;Graham. -- Graham Williams.of Canton,Cardiff. Chairman,"Canton Historical Society". Glam;FHS;#551.

Hi Mike Thank you for the suggestion. It did look promising, so yesterday I sent him an email to the email address you included in your message. I could see the garethrjames tracing his family tree was online last night, so I was hoping to get a reply quite quickly. However so far no reply, so it might not be the right one after all. Caroline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Gould" <mike.gould@ndirect.co.uk> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [B&D] Frustrations > Hi Caroline, > > Googling garethrjames throws up a link to > http://virtualization.info/en/news/2010/03/citrix-benchmarks-xendesktop-4-vm > .html and then clicking on his name takes you to a page with "About Gareth > James" which includes his email address ....

My goodness Charani, to think the Warry name has been connected with the legal profession all these years. Janet My excellent, but now retired, solicitor was a partner in a firm called Marsh, Warry.  Can't remember if there is/was still a WARRY there. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Liz, Thank you for your Gallop information - can't link them at the moment to my Emily Ann but you never know what might turn up as I dig deeper so I will file your information. Janet  :o)

Hi Caroline,  I was just checking my spam before emptying the box and found your message. Thank you for replying with suggestions. I rather think William was leading a double life and I believe the Elizabeth Annie Clifford you mention belonged to another branch of the family in Bristol. I have sent for a marriage certificate which might be for the Thomas Yeates born abt 1887 which took place in Warrington and within a space of a couple of years I see there is a marriage of an Elizabeth Yeates also Warrington. I know this isnt going to tell me the name of the mother but I shall at least know if Thomas and Elizabeth survived. Thanks again for your response Janet ----- Original Message ---- From: C Rihan <csrihan@btinternet.com> To: bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 11 May, 2010 12:36:22 Subject: Re: [B&D] Frustrations, frustrations! Hi Janet You said that "In 1891 William Yeates is living back in Bristol with a daughter Elizabeth 6yrs and a son Thomas 4yrs (no records of their births have come to light yet in my searches and I have tried all spelling variants I can think of)) and at the same address is a widow Elizabeth Clifford ( her husband George died 1883) with her 6 children." William and his wife Emily both were 'married' according to 1881 census, so my guess is that he was actually working away that night. But after Elizabeth's husband died in 1883, may be things changed. Perhaps Emily was unable to have children, and William wanted to be a father. Perhaps William was leading a double life. There's a birth for an Elizabeth Annie Clifford reg Barton Regis in Mar qtr 1885 on FreeBMD, but I cannot spot a nearby Thomas birth (I haven't checked 1891 census, she may belong to a different family.) Caroline ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Caroline, Googling garethrjames throws up a link to http://virtualization.info/en/news/2010/03/citrix-benchmarks-xendesktop-4-vm .html and then clicking on his name takes you to a page with "About Gareth James" which includes his email address gareth@james .za.org (extra space inserted to fool email address harvesters). You would need to check that this is the right guy, but it looks promising. Best wishes, Mike Gould Leicestershire -----Original Message----- From: bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bristol_and_district-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of C Rihan Sent: 11 May 2010 12:55 To: bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B&D] Frustrations Hi Charani I've come across a different problem causing me frustration. I've googled for "Joseph Wright" Wrenbury (Cheshire) and found someone on rootschat researching the same family. But I can't make contact. I've tried registering and/or login and have asked to be resent the activation email several times, but I'm not getting them. The person I'm trying to contact (garethrjames) is also tracing a Bristol family, Joseph James 1799-1876, wife Mary (1806-41). So if someone here has contact, please point him in my direction. Caroline ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Charani I've come across a different problem causing me frustration. I've googled for "Joseph Wright" Wrenbury (Cheshire) and found someone on rootschat researching the same family. But I can't make contact. I've tried registering and/or login and have asked to be resent the activation email several times, but I'm not getting them. The person I'm trying to contact (garethrjames) is also tracing a Bristol family, Joseph James 1799-1876, wife Mary (1806-41). So if someone here has contact, please point him in my direction. Caroline

Hi Janet You said that "In 1891 William Yeates is living back in Bristol with a daughter Elizabeth 6yrs and a son Thomas 4yrs (no records of their births have come to light yet in my searches and I have tried all spelling variants I can think of)) and at the same address is a widow Elizabeth Clifford ( her husband George died 1883) with her 6 children." William and his wife Emily both were 'married' according to 1881 census, so my guess is that he was actually working away that night. But after Elizabeth's husband died in 1883, may be things changed. Perhaps Emily was unable to have children, and William wanted to be a father. Perhaps William was leading a double life. There's a birth for an Elizabeth Annie Clifford reg Barton Regis in Mar qtr 1885 on FreeBMD, but I cannot spot a nearby Thomas birth (I haven't checked 1891 census, she may belong to a different family.) Caroline

Charani, Like Barbara I live in New Zealand, and have access to many records, so if you need assistance please just ask. By the way I've hunted for over 3 years for 4 "elusive brothers" from England. Searched in many countries for nil outcome. What I've done is to back track through all areas of research, checking again and again, just in case something has been over looked. Good luck. Marina New Zealand

Borlands wrote: > Charani, > > Like Barbara I live in New Zealand, and have access to many > records, so if you need assistance please just ask. Many thanks for the offer :)) Like Barbara's, tis much appreciated :)) > By the way I've hunted for over 3 years for 4 "elusive brothers" > from England. Searched in many countries for nil outcome. What I've > done is to back track through all areas of research, checking again > and again, just in case something has been over looked. That can often find an overlooked fact found early in the research that makes sense, and a connection, later. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Barbara Mclachlan wrote: > Charani, > > Is there anything I can help you with as regards to New Zealand. Many thanks for the offer :)) Tis much appreciated :)) Details sent off list since New Zealand is just a tad outside our area ;)) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Charani, Is there anything I can help you with as regards to New Zealand. I've just spent a very frustrating day chasing a family around a goodly part of England (and France and New Zealand) and not getting anywhere fast! It doesn't help when they use three variations of their surname, not just from generation to generation but within a single family. Barbara, New Zealand

Janet Cuff wrote: > Tell me about it Chirani! > I have spent endless hours with one of my families and still I'm > back where I started. 8>< because you've put the details in a new post. I'm glad I'm not alone! :)) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Pat Hase wrote: > I'm always surprised how often I find out something by simply putting a > person's name (in inverted commas) into the search box of Google. > I probably would do this if I was searching for "John Smith" but it's worth > a try! I've had some success doing that too, but not much in this instance :(( It's mostly pulled up references to someone with the same surname or my own posts! Google, or any other search engine, is a much overlooked resource. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Ian Sage wrote: > My first port of call in cases like this is the wills index. Don't forget to > order both the will and the notice of probate (at no extra cost). Wills are > a bit like a Chance card - sometimes providing great leads, sometimes > nothing. At the very least, the names and addresses of the executors give > you something to go on. Good thought! I'll follow that one up either tomorrow or Tuesday. I did find one possible will but it was in 1617 and that's way beyond where I've got to at the moment. There should be some others as well. It's the more recent ones I'm looking for that'll help ensure I'm on the right track. Thank you for that :)) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Liz wrote: > You can always hope that one of the children has an unusual Christian name. > I've always found that extremely useful and I just type in the Christian > name and an approximate date of birth give or take two years. Certainly > when looking for a family on the census that's a great help. Then when they > go AWOL, remember many families put their toe in the water so to speak and > went abroad - even dentists were required in the colonies - they could have > married abroad and then come back. I've often found that and amongst the > children will be one born abroad. My start point was a lass who was born in France where her father seems to have trained as a dentist. He had a sister, Pauline, whose birth I have but that's all. Pauline is in the 1861 census but hasn't popped up in any subsequent census. I've been checking the passenger lists I have access to but with no joy :(( -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Hi Janet I have Hannah GALLOP with a "possible" sister Jane GALLOP - mother was Sarah probably born c.1790. They came from Chew Magna/Chew Stoke area. Hannah married Thomas YOUNG in 1848. They had at least 4 children. 1841 Hannah was a Female Servant. Jane GALLOP born c.1833 had a daughter Sarah Ann GALLOP born on 12 May 1858 in Long Ashton Workhouse. Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Cuff" <bgmjcuff@yahoo.co.uk> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [B&D] YEATES Frustrations, frustrations! Tell me about it Chirani! I have spent endless hours with one of my families and still I'm back where I started. In view of all the experienced people on this list I thought I would put out a plea for help with the following details. William Ebenezer Yeates born 1844 Bristol ( sometimes Yates/Yeats) Married Elizabeth Bick 1866 - their daughter Mary Elizabeth Mortimer Bick born at Uley, Glos, 2 yrs before their marriage . Elizabeth Yeates nee Bick died Jan 1876 William E Yeates married Emily Ann Gallop Sep 1876 All plain sailing so far but after their marriage Emily always appears on the census returns living with her father John Gallop, in Chew Magna and William lodging elsewhere. I know that could be pure coincidence and he could have been away from home working as a Gas fitter/Plumber but the following details lead me to think otherwise. In 1891 William Yeates is living back in Bristol with a daughter Elizabeth 6yrs and a son Thomas 4yrs (no records of their births have come to light yet in my searches and I have tried all spelling variants I can think of)) and at the same address is a widow Elizabeth Clifford ( her husband George died 1883) with her 6 children. By 1901 Elizabeth Clifford is listed as Elizabeth Yeates,wife of William and they have moved to Bath. Meanwhile Emily, his lawful wife, is still living with her family in Chew Magna. The death certificate of Emily Yeates 1901 confirms her as the wife of William but he was not the informant as an Inquest had been held as was the case with William when he died in 1915 so I assume William and Elizabeth lived as man and wife in Bath with no official status as such. It seems very strange to me that a father has the care of two young children, Thomas and Elizabeth in 1891 when his wife is still alive and leads me to wonder if Elizabeth Clifford was their mother but their births are not registered under her name either. Whilst Thomas appears on the 1901 census with his father I can find no further trace of Elizabeth. If anyone can help me to find the births of these children or Elizabeth after 1891 I should be most grateful. Janet :o)) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm always surprised how often I find out something by simply putting a person's name (in inverted commas) into the search box of Google. I probably would do this if I was searching for "John Smith" but it's worth a try! Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <familyhunter@family-hunter.co.uk> To: "B+D List" <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 12:14 AM Subject: [B&D] Frustrations, frustrations! > I've just spent a very frustrating day chasing a family around a > goodly part of England (and France and New Zealand) and not getting > anywhere fast! It doesn't help when they use three variations of > their surname, not just from generation to generation but within a > single family. > > Considering they had a "family pile", they were seemed to have a gypsy > in their collective soul. > > They've appeared and disappeared with great regularity. Births with > no marriages or deaths - and they can't still be alive. Marriages > with no births or deaths. Deaths with no births or marriages. > > I'm wondering if the fact several of them were dentists has anything > to do with their propensity for hiding on a regular basis ;)) > > Does anyone have any favourite ways of dealing with families like this > - other than giving up on them? > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM > Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

>I've just spent a very frustrating day chasing a family around a >goodly part of England (and France and New Zealand) and not getting >anywhere fast! >Does anyone have any favourite ways of dealing with families like this >- other than giving up on them? My first port of call in cases like this is the wills index. Don't forget to order both the will and the notice of probate (at no extra cost). Wills are a bit like a Chance card - sometimes providing great leads, sometimes nothing. At the very least, the names and addresses of the executors give you something to go on. Ian

Tell me about it Chirani!    I have spent endless hours with one of my families and still I'm back where I started.  In view of all the experienced people on this list I thought I would put out a plea for help with the following details. William Ebenezer Yeates born 1844 Bristol ( sometimes Yates/Yeats) Married Elizabeth Bick 1866 - their daughter Mary Elizabeth Mortimer Bick born at Uley, Glos, 2 yrs before their marriage . Elizabeth Yeates nee Bick died Jan 1876 William E Yeates married Emily Ann Gallop Sep 1876 All plain sailing so far but after their marriage Emily always appears on the census returns living with her father John Gallop, in Chew Magna and William lodging elsewhere. I know that could be pure coincidence and he could have been away from home working as a Gas fitter/Plumber but the following details lead me to think otherwise.   In 1891 William Yeates is living back in Bristol with a daughter Elizabeth 6yrs and a son Thomas 4yrs  (no records of their births have come to light yet in my searches and I have tried all spelling variants I can think of)) and at the same address is a widow Elizabeth Clifford  ( her husband George died 1883) with her 6 children.  By 1901 Elizabeth Clifford is listed as Elizabeth Yeates,wife of William and they have moved to Bath. Meanwhile Emily, his lawful wife, is still living with her family in Chew Magna. The death  certificate of Emily Yeates 1901 confirms her as the wife of William but he was not the informant as an Inquest had been held as was the case with William when he died in 1915 so I assume William and Elizabeth lived as man and wife in Bath with no official status as such.   It seems very strange to me that a father has the care of two young children, Thomas and Elizabeth in 1891 when his wife is still alive and leads me to wonder if Elizabeth Clifford was their mother but their births are not registered under her name either.  Whilst Thomas appears on the 1901 census with his father  I can find no further trace of Elizabeth. If anyone can help me to find the births of these children or Elizabeth after 1891 I should be most grateful.   Janet  :o))