Wow! That was quick - I'll get onto the case R ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz" <e.newbery@btinternet.com> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [B&D] A conundrum > Hi Roger > > You've certainly got a conundrum there. > John LOCKE born 3Q 1842 in Newport, Mon. > Ellen Ann LOCKE born 2Q 1844 in Clifton District (might not be her as it's > Clifton not Bedminster - there are other LOCKEs in Clifton) > Lionel was Lionel Richard LOCKE born 3Q 1847 in Bedminster District. > > There is an Emma KNIGHT - FS in 1841 working in Portbury. > > If they were my direct lines I would definitely send for the Birth > Certificate of Lionel which would give you his mother's maiden name and > his > father's name. For me that would be a "must". > > Good luck and do let us know the outcome. > > Liz > www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery > OPC for Street, Somerset > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "roger baynton" <baynton@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: "Bristol & Dist Roots web" <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 5:38 PM > Subject: [B&D] A conundrum > > >> Hi. This is my first post and I am a bit of a newbie to all this but have >> come across an interesting conundrum which you experts MAY be able to >> point >> me in the direction of unravelling >> Also apologies if this is a bit long but bear with me, you will see that >> I >> couldnt really shorten it much! >> I am looking at the branch of the Bayntons which ended up in Bristol from >> Bromham, Wilts via Mells, Som. >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Roger You've certainly got a conundrum there. John LOCKE born 3Q 1842 in Newport, Mon. Ellen Ann LOCKE born 2Q 1844 in Clifton District (might not be her as it's Clifton not Bedminster - there are other LOCKEs in Clifton) Lionel was Lionel Richard LOCKE born 3Q 1847 in Bedminster District. There is an Emma KNIGHT - FS in 1841 working in Portbury. If they were my direct lines I would definitely send for the Birth Certificate of Lionel which would give you his mother's maiden name and his father's name. For me that would be a "must". Good luck and do let us know the outcome. Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset ----- Original Message ----- From: "roger baynton" <baynton@blueyonder.co.uk> To: "Bristol & Dist Roots web" <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 5:38 PM Subject: [B&D] A conundrum > Hi. This is my first post and I am a bit of a newbie to all this but have > come across an interesting conundrum which you experts MAY be able to > point > me in the direction of unravelling > Also apologies if this is a bit long but bear with me, you will see that > I > couldnt really shorten it much! > I am looking at the branch of the Bayntons which ended up in Bristol from > Bromham, Wilts via Mells, Som. >

first thought is Sophia BUCKLER ? KNIGHT was married before at least once in 1824 she would be 31 years old when William BAYNTON was born Sarah LOCK 25 would be a married daughter? does it say daughter? Step daughter, daughter in law ? married ? on 1841 all three of her children born after 1841 census sarah born 1816 when Sophia was 23 years old look for Lewis LOCK on 1851 census and his marriage look for Sophia marriage before 1816 possible no marriage just kids Emma KNIGHT could be a sister to Sarah and daughter of Sophia Knight but born 1828 ( as 1851 census age) which would make no sense ? was she older? can you find her on 1841 census 1861 census if she later married get the certificate it will state mum and dad jim On 15-May-10, at 9:38 AM, roger baynton wrote: > Hi. This is my first post and I am a bit of a newbie to all this > but have > come across an interesting conundrum which you experts MAY be able > to point > me in the direction of unravelling > Also apologies if this is a bit long but bear with me, you will > see that I > couldnt really shorten it much! > I am looking at the branch of the Bayntons which ended up in > Bristol from > Bromham, Wilts via Mells, Som. > > William Baynton (1799) married (in 1823) Sophia Buckler (1796) who is > recorded in later censuses as born in Abbots Leigh > They had 2 sons, William (1824) and Robert (1827) > In the 1841 census William (senior) and Sophia are recorded as > running the > Angel Inn in Long Ashton. William (Junior) and Robert have left > home and > their household is; > William Baynton > 40 > Sophia Baynton > 45 > Sarah Lock > 25 > Plus 4 servants (presumably pub staff) > > In the 1851 census the couple have moved to an address in Bower Ashton > Terrace and William is recorded as a Coal Merchant and their > household is; > > William Baynton > 49 > Sophia Baynton > 58 > Emma Knight UNMARRIED DAUGHTER born Long Ashton > 23 > Ellen Locke GRANDCHILD born Bedminster > 7 > John Locke GRANDSON born Newport Mon. > 8 > Lionel Locke GRANDSON born Bedminster > 3 > Ann Vowles Servant > 20 > > The question arises where does Emma Knight come into the picture? > And of > whom is she the daughter, William or Sophia and where does the name > Knight > come from? > Furthermore whose are the three Locke children? If they ARE > grandchildren of > William or Sophia then they don't seem to be offspring of the two > legitimate > sons who I have tracked and are apparently happily married > elsewhere. The > likelihood is that they are Emma Knight's. She would have been 16 > when the > first, Ellen was conceived. > > So who is Locke the father of these three? > A search on the youngest of the three 'grandchildren' Lionel Locke > born > about 1848 in the 1861 census leads us to the household of Lewis > Locke at 3 > Clouds Hill Villas St George. Lewis is 50 and the Manager of an > Iron Mine. > The household is > > Lewis Locke head > 50 > Sarah Locke wife > 44 > Sylvina Locke daughter > 11 > Lionel Locke son > 13 > > This then is almost certainly the SAME Sarah Locke recorded as > being at the > Angel Inn in 1841 and the daughter of William or Sophia Baynton > > SO, if Sarah Locke & Lewis Locke are the parents of Lionel (and > Sylvina) and > by implication of John and Ellen (who could well have flown the > nest by > 1861) what were they doing living with my 3 x Great Grand Parents > in a Coal > Merchant's house in 1851 being recorded as their grandchildren, > without a > parent. And WHO was Emma Knight - was she REALLY an illegitimate > daughter of > William or Sophia? > > There is one final twist to this story. William Baynton was a son > of John > Baynton and the only one of the sons not to go into found Baynton's > Brewery > at Ashton Gate (where Baynton Road now is just up from the City > Ground) but > according to Theo Baynton's book on the Bayntons there is evidence > that he > (William not Theo!) selected the site for the brewery and designed > the > layout of Ashton Vale Colliery > He had strong connections with this colliery > > > The excellent Coal Mining History Resource website > http://www.cmhrc.co.uk/site/database/cmhrc? > text_search=baynton&action=search_by_keyword > > Records the owner as Baynton and KNIGHT > > When the colliery finished, I understand that the business became > The Ashton > Vale Iron Company Limited > The Ashton Vale Iron Company Limited was registered on 17 June 1864 > as the > successor to a series of partnerships which included Baynton, > Knight and > Co., Knight, Abbots and Co. and Edwin Knight and Co. > > Note the name KNIGHT keeps on cropping up is there any connection > to the > enigmatic Emma Knight? > > Any tips? > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message

Often even the briefest announcements in a newspaper give the name of the Undertakers. If that's there then you could contact them if they are still in existence to see if they still have the records. Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fee Manley" <feemanley@sky.com> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 5:52 PM Subject: [B&D] Warmley area - Baptist (possibly) burial 1926 > Hello List. > > I am trying to locate the final resting place of my great great > grandfather > George Shipley. > > He was an itinerant Baptist preacher who spent the last few years of his > life livng with his daughter and son in law at Warmley. > > He died on 21st May 1926 aged 90 - I have the certificate. > > There was the briefest of announcements in the local newspaper which gave > no > details of the funeral arrangements. > > He is not at Canford, Avonview, Greenbank or Arnos Vale nor is he at St > Barnabas, the nearest Church to his home. > > Any advice or ideas on where else I might look would be extremely welcome. > > Cheers, > > Fee in Bristol > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello List. I am trying to locate the final resting place of my great great grandfather George Shipley. He was an itinerant Baptist preacher who spent the last few years of his life livng with his daughter and son in law at Warmley. He died on 21st May 1926 aged 90 - I have the certificate. There was the briefest of announcements in the local newspaper which gave no details of the funeral arrangements. He is not at Canford, Avonview, Greenbank or Arnos Vale nor is he at St Barnabas, the nearest Church to his home. Any advice or ideas on where else I might look would be extremely welcome. Cheers, Fee in Bristol

Hi. This is my first post and I am a bit of a newbie to all this but have come across an interesting conundrum which you experts MAY be able to point me in the direction of unravelling Also apologies if this is a bit long but bear with me, you will see that I couldnt really shorten it much! I am looking at the branch of the Bayntons which ended up in Bristol from Bromham, Wilts via Mells, Som. William Baynton (1799) married (in 1823) Sophia Buckler (1796) who is recorded in later censuses as born in Abbots Leigh They had 2 sons, William (1824) and Robert (1827) In the 1841 census William (senior) and Sophia are recorded as running the Angel Inn in Long Ashton. William (Junior) and Robert have left home and their household is; William Baynton 40 Sophia Baynton 45 Sarah Lock 25 Plus 4 servants (presumably pub staff) In the 1851 census the couple have moved to an address in Bower Ashton Terrace and William is recorded as a Coal Merchant and their household is; William Baynton 49 Sophia Baynton 58 Emma Knight UNMARRIED DAUGHTER born Long Ashton 23 Ellen Locke GRANDCHILD born Bedminster 7 John Locke GRANDSON born Newport Mon. 8 Lionel Locke GRANDSON born Bedminster 3 Ann Vowles Servant 20 The question arises where does Emma Knight come into the picture? And of whom is she the daughter, William or Sophia and where does the name Knight come from? Furthermore whose are the three Locke children? If they ARE grandchildren of William or Sophia then they don't seem to be offspring of the two legitimate sons who I have tracked and are apparently happily married elsewhere. The likelihood is that they are Emma Knight's. She would have been 16 when the first, Ellen was conceived. So who is Locke the father of these three? A search on the youngest of the three 'grandchildren' Lionel Locke born about 1848 in the 1861 census leads us to the household of Lewis Locke at 3 Clouds Hill Villas St George. Lewis is 50 and the Manager of an Iron Mine. The household is Lewis Locke head 50 Sarah Locke wife 44 Sylvina Locke daughter 11 Lionel Locke son 13 This then is almost certainly the SAME Sarah Locke recorded as being at the Angel Inn in 1841 and the daughter of William or Sophia Baynton SO, if Sarah Locke & Lewis Locke are the parents of Lionel (and Sylvina) and by implication of John and Ellen (who could well have flown the nest by 1861) what were they doing living with my 3 x Great Grand Parents in a Coal Merchant's house in 1851 being recorded as their grandchildren, without a parent. And WHO was Emma Knight - was she REALLY an illegitimate daughter of William or Sophia? There is one final twist to this story. William Baynton was a son of John Baynton and the only one of the sons not to go into found Baynton's Brewery at Ashton Gate (where Baynton Road now is just up from the City Ground) but according to Theo Baynton's book on the Bayntons there is evidence that he (William not Theo!) selected the site for the brewery and designed the layout of Ashton Vale Colliery He had strong connections with this colliery The excellent Coal Mining History Resource website http://www.cmhrc.co.uk/site/database/cmhrc?text_search=baynton&action=search_by_keyword Records the owner as Baynton and KNIGHT When the colliery finished, I understand that the business became The Ashton Vale Iron Company Limited The Ashton Vale Iron Company Limited was registered on 17 June 1864 as the successor to a series of partnerships which included Baynton, Knight and Co., Knight, Abbots and Co. and Edwin Knight and Co. Note the name KNIGHT keeps on cropping up is there any connection to the enigmatic Emma Knight? Any tips?

I have looked at Long Ashton baptisms and could find one Emma Knight. 1826 Aug 31 Emma Sophia to Richard and Sophia Knight, Long Ashton, tiler and plasterer.   Regards Mary. Mary`s Portbury Hundred records at: http://www.portbury-hundred.co.uk --- On Sat, 15/5/10, roger baynton <baynton@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: From: roger baynton <baynton@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: [B&D] A conundrum To: "Bristol & Dist Roots web" <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, 15 May, 2010, 17:38 Hi. This is my first post and I am a bit of a newbie to all this but have come across an interesting conundrum which you experts MAY be able to point me in the direction of unravelling Also apologies if this is a  bit long but bear with me, you will see that I couldnt really shorten it much! I am looking at the branch of the Bayntons which ended up in Bristol from Bromham, Wilts via Mells, Som. William Baynton (1799) married (in 1823) Sophia Buckler (1796) who is recorded in later censuses as born in Abbots Leigh They had 2 sons, William (1824) and Robert (1827) In the 1841 census William (senior) and Sophia are recorded as running the Angel Inn in Long Ashton. William (Junior) and Robert have left home and their household is; William Baynton 40 Sophia Baynton 45 Sarah Lock 25 Plus 4 servants (presumably pub staff) In the 1851 census the couple have moved to an address in Bower Ashton Terrace and William is recorded as a Coal Merchant and their household is; William Baynton 49 Sophia Baynton 58 Emma Knight UNMARRIED DAUGHTER born Long Ashton 23 Ellen Locke GRANDCHILD born Bedminster 7 John Locke GRANDSON born Newport Mon. 8 Lionel Locke GRANDSON born Bedminster 3 Ann Vowles Servant 20 The question arises where does Emma Knight come into the picture? And of whom is she the daughter, William or Sophia and where does the name Knight come from? Furthermore whose are the three Locke children? If they ARE grandchildren of William or Sophia then they don't seem to be offspring of the two legitimate sons who I have tracked and are apparently happily married elsewhere. The likelihood is that they are Emma Knight's. She would have been 16 when the first, Ellen was conceived. So who is Locke the father of these three? A search on the youngest of the three 'grandchildren' Lionel Locke born about 1848 in the 1861 census leads us to the household of Lewis Locke at 3 Clouds Hill Villas St George. Lewis is 50 and the Manager of an Iron Mine. The household is Lewis Locke head 50 Sarah Locke wife 44 Sylvina Locke daughter 11 Lionel Locke son 13 This then is almost certainly the SAME Sarah Locke recorded as being at the Angel Inn in 1841 and the daughter of William or Sophia Baynton SO, if Sarah Locke & Lewis Locke are the parents of Lionel (and Sylvina) and by implication of John and Ellen (who could well have flown the nest by 1861) what were they doing living with my 3 x Great Grand Parents in a Coal Merchant's house in 1851 being recorded as their grandchildren, without a parent. And WHO was Emma Knight - was she REALLY an illegitimate daughter of William or Sophia? There is one final twist to this story. William Baynton was a son of John Baynton and the only one of the sons not to go into found Baynton's Brewery at Ashton Gate (where Baynton Road now is just up from the City Ground) but according to Theo Baynton's book on the Bayntons there is evidence that he (William not Theo!)  selected the site for the brewery and designed the layout of Ashton Vale Colliery He had strong connections with this colliery The excellent Coal Mining History Resource website http://www.cmhrc.co.uk/site/database/cmhrc?text_search=baynton&action=search_by_keyword Records the owner as Baynton and KNIGHT When the colliery finished, I understand that the business became The Ashton Vale Iron Company Limited The Ashton Vale Iron Company Limited was registered on 17 June 1864 as the successor to a series of partnerships which included Baynton, Knight and Co., Knight, Abbots and Co. and Edwin Knight and Co. Note the name KNIGHT keeps on cropping up is there any connection to the enigmatic Emma Knight? Any tips? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am looking for the burial of my husband's Great Grandmother who died on 4 Dec 1886.  I have checked with the Cemetery and Crems Dept on the Bristol Government Site and they have no record of her.  I have had a searched completed at Arnos Vale and again no record.  Does anyone know where Church Cemetery Records might be, I would think possibly Sea Mills/Westbury on Trym areas as her husband was Station Master at Sea Mills. Any suggestions welcome Thank you Margaret Alexander

Hi Robyn, There's also an odd looking one attached to the main building at the St. George cemetary in Beaufort Rd, St George, Bristol. My grandmother's buried there, Peter in a sunny Auckland On 5/14/10, Robyn Horan <robynvh2@gmail.com> wrote: > That looked familiar immediately - and then further down the article > it said the only other remaining one was near Sydney Harbour Bridge - > so that's where I've seen it. I also remember when I was little there > was a very forbidding looking black one that I was terrified of right > in the middle of the city. > > It's good to see that kind of story on the news because there may be > others around that haven't yet been bulldozed to make way for the > slick, modern (but clean) public loos around now. > > Cheers > Robyn (in sunny but cold Sydney) > > > On 13 May 2010 23:54, Charani <familyhunter@family-hunter.co.uk> wrote: >> This interesting article will explain but just don't get taken short >> if you're visiting Bristol's Great Western Dockyard ;)) >> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/8634087.stm >> >> -- >> Charani (UK) >> OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM >> Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM >> http://wsom-opc.org.uk >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

http://www.bafhs.org.uk/shirehampton%20cemetery/shirehamptoncemetery1.htm Edna ----- Original Message ----- From: "MARGARET ALEXANDER" <malexa2889@btinternet.com> To: "Bristol Rootsweb" <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 10:35 AM Subject: [B&D] Burial 1886 - Lavinia Lewis I am looking for the burial of my husband's Great Grandmother who died on 4 Dec 1886. I have checked with the Cemetery and Crems Dept on the Bristol Government Site and they have no record of her. I have had a searched completed at Arnos Vale and again no record. Does anyone know where Church Cemetery Records might be, I would think possibly Sea Mills/Westbury on Trym areas as her husband was Station Master at Sea Mills. Any suggestions welcome Thank you Margaret Alexander ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That looked familiar immediately - and then further down the article it said the only other remaining one was near Sydney Harbour Bridge - so that's where I've seen it. I also remember when I was little there was a very forbidding looking black one that I was terrified of right in the middle of the city. It's good to see that kind of story on the news because there may be others around that haven't yet been bulldozed to make way for the slick, modern (but clean) public loos around now. Cheers Robyn (in sunny but cold Sydney) On 13 May 2010 23:54, Charani <familyhunter@family-hunter.co.uk> wrote: > This interesting article will explain but just don't get taken short > if you're visiting Bristol's Great Western Dockyard ;)) > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/8634087.stm > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM > Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

liverpud wrote: > Please reply off-list. > > I have inadvertently added some of my pals' e-mails to my Blocked list, > how do I reinstate them? I'm told by my husband that you can go into Tools > Options > Blocked Senders List and delete the errant entries from there. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

This interesting article will explain but just don't get taken short if you're visiting Bristol's Great Western Dockyard ;)) http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/8634087.stm -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Janet, I was thinking the same and wondered about all that "water" gushing down... LOL, Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Cuff" <bgmjcuff@yahoo.co.uk> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [B&D] Taking the ........ That brought back memories or a pissoir that used to stand at the bottom of Windmill hill on the way to Bedminster except the one I am talking about was round rather than square. As I recall there was quite a gap at the bottom where you could see the mens legs before they reached the inner of the *convenience* and that used to intrigue me as a very small girl! Janet

Please reply off-list. I have inadvertently added some of my pals' e-mails to my Blocked list, how do I reinstate them? Thanks, Edna - Ottawa

As a child I remember something like that downtown Bristol but it was black wrought iron. That was way back in the forties (1940s i.e.). Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <familyhunter@family-hunter.co.uk> To: "B+D List" <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 9:54 AM Subject: [B&D] Taking the ........ This interesting article will explain but just don't get taken short if you're visiting Bristol's Great Western Dockyard ;)) http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/8634087.stm -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That brought back memories or a pissoir that used to stand at the bottom of Windmill hill on the way to Bedminster except the one I am talking about  was round rather than square. As I recall there was quite a gap at the bottom where you could see the mens legs before they reached the inner of the *convenience* and that used to intrigue me as a very small girl! Janet

Janet Cuff wrote: > My goodness Charani, to think the Warry name has been connected > with the legal profession all these years. Professions like that often do run in families. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Janet Cuff wrote: > Hi Graham, The name Warry caught my eye in your email as I have a > George Warry Cuff born 1789 in the tree I am reearching for my > husband. George Warry Cuff was the son of William Cuff and Rachael > Deane who were married St Mary's Chard 5 August 1788 - does it ring > any bells or connect with your line at all? My excellent, but now retired, solicitor was a partner in a firm called Marsh, Warry. Can't remember if there is/was still a WARRY there. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Hi Graham, The name Warry caught my eye in your email as I have a George Warry Cuff born 1789 in the tree I am reearching for my husband. George Warry Cuff was the son of William Cuff and Rachael Deane who were married St Mary's Chard 5 August 1788 - does it ring any bells or connect with your line at all? Janet Cuff