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    1. Re: [B&D] St. Simon
    2. Fee Manley
    3. Hello Margo. Re. I am researching the Stephens/Fauckes family of Bristol. I recently received my gr grandparents marriage certificate - Thomas John Stephens m. Martha Fauckes in 1873. It shows they married in a Church listed as 'S. Simon'. Would this be St. Simon? Below is a mention of a St Simons in Bristol from http://www.bristol.anglican.org St Paul's Parish is at the heart of inner city Bristol and St Agnes Church is at the heart of St Paul's Parish. Confusing isn't it? We continue to call ourselves St Paul's Parish because that is the name of the Bristol 'area' that we predominantly serve. Four of the original five churches are left. St Simon's is used by the Greek Orthodox Community, St Werburgh's is a climbing centre and St Paul's is a circus school. St Agnes is the church we worship in. Hope this helps. Fee

    05/18/2010 03:27:25
    1. [B&D] St. Simon
    2. Margo Nicklasson
    3. Hi I'm new to the list and this is my 3rd attempt in sending a message so maybe 3 times is the charm. I am researching the Stephens/Fauckes family of Bristol.  I recently received my gr grandparents marriage certificate - Thomas John Stephens m. Martha Fauckes in 1873.  It shows they married in a Church listed as 'S. Simon'.  Would this be St. Simon? When I typed St. Simon into a modern day map program of Bristol it came up with a church building off of Newgate which would have been about 20 minutes from where they were living at the time of the marriage and only a few minutes from where my gr grandfather was born on Horsefair.  However upon closer inspection - at street level - I see that this is just the shell of a church. Would this have been St. Simon's church.  Perhaps someone living in Bristol could enlighten me? Please and thanks. Margo Ontario Canada

    05/17/2010 03:59:23
    1. Re: [B&D] A conundrum
    2. Pat Hase
    3. I think Fee covered that as well. Lewis LOCK/E married Sarah Hollyman KNIGHT Marriages Sep 1840 KNIGHT Sarah Holyman Williton 10 637 LOCKE Lewis Williton 10 637 Sarah is a daughter of Richard & Sophia KNIGHT nee HOLLYMAN (both IGI and Mary Mason's site) making Sophia the grandmother of the LOCK children. My only query would be - why did they get married in the Williton area? Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "roger baynton" <baynton@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [B&D] A conundrum > Hi Fee > Thanks especially for your hard work on this one which has really > clarified > things for me > I realise that I was initially in error as accepting as a 'given' what it > said in Theo Baynton's usually excellent book 'The Bayntons' that William > married Sophia Buckler when of course it should have been CORNELIA > Buckler. > As I said I am something of a beginner at all this and that certainly > reinforces what is said in the books about checking facts! > I'm still not clear where the Lock(e)s fit in. As I said, in the 1851 > census > its got Ellen,John & Lionel shown as grandchildren, grandchildren of whom > I > am not sure. Sarah, their mother is at the pub in the 1841 census and at > the > same time their father Lewis is in Newport (as a brewer - which cannot be > coincidence). > As someone kindly suggested I have applied for Lewis's birth cert which > may > point the way to Ellen,John & Lionels' garndparents > > Thanks Again > Roger > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fee Manley" <feemanley@sky.com> > To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 7:58 AM > Subject: Re: [B&D] A conundrum > > >> Hello again Roger. >> >> According to the IGI from www.familysearch.org William BAYNTON married >> Cornelia BUCKLER in Warminster in 1823 and had offspring William Buckler >> BAYNTON in 1824 and Robert Ashman BAYNTON in 1827. >> >> Sarah Hollyman KNIGHT born 1816 and Emma Sophia KNIGHT born 1826 are >> listed >> as being the daughters of Richard KNIGHT and Sophia as well as a third >> daughter Jane Ellen who was born in 1831. >> >>>From Free BMD William BAYNTON married in Septembe qtr 1839 Bedminster >> district to Sophia KNIGHT. >> >> So it looks like the Knight girls were step-daughters of William BAYNTON. >> >> Given the middle name of Sarah Hollyman KNIGHT I would guess that her >> mother's maiden name was Hollyman. >> >>>From the census entries Sophia (wife of William BAYNTON) was born in >>>Abbots >> Leigh c. 1793. >> The IGI lists a Sophia HOLLYMAN Christened 1790 Abbots Leigh. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> Fee >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    05/17/2010 03:34:10
    1. Re: [B&D] WARRY of Shapwick House.
    2. Adrian Bruce
    3. <<snipped>>"The Plantagenet Book of the Blood Royal", By the Marquis De Revigney ... I am as yet to figure out of there is an Index to the many thousands of People,and more importantly,The Hundreds of Family tree's it shows <<snipped>> If it's done in Acrobat Reader .PDF, and the text has been digitally read, then a simple Acrobat search ought to work? (Though it might be somewhat unwieldy compared to a proper index). Adrian

    05/17/2010 10:08:02
    1. Re: [B&D] A conundrum
    2. roger baynton
    3. Hi Fee Thanks especially for your hard work on this one which has really clarified things for me I realise that I was initially in error as accepting as a 'given' what it said in Theo Baynton's usually excellent book 'The Bayntons' that William married Sophia Buckler when of course it should have been CORNELIA Buckler. As I said I am something of a beginner at all this and that certainly reinforces what is said in the books about checking facts! I'm still not clear where the Lock(e)s fit in. As I said, in the 1851 census its got Ellen,John & Lionel shown as grandchildren, grandchildren of whom I am not sure. Sarah, their mother is at the pub in the 1841 census and at the same time their father Lewis is in Newport (as a brewer - which cannot be coincidence). As someone kindly suggested I have applied for Lewis's birth cert which may point the way to Ellen,John & Lionels' garndparents Thanks Again Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fee Manley" <feemanley@sky.com> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [B&D] A conundrum > Hello again Roger. > > According to the IGI from www.familysearch.org William BAYNTON married > Cornelia BUCKLER in Warminster in 1823 and had offspring William Buckler > BAYNTON in 1824 and Robert Ashman BAYNTON in 1827. > > Sarah Hollyman KNIGHT born 1816 and Emma Sophia KNIGHT born 1826 are > listed > as being the daughters of Richard KNIGHT and Sophia as well as a third > daughter Jane Ellen who was born in 1831. > >>From Free BMD William BAYNTON married in Septembe qtr 1839 Bedminster > district to Sophia KNIGHT. > > So it looks like the Knight girls were step-daughters of William BAYNTON. > > Given the middle name of Sarah Hollyman KNIGHT I would guess that her > mother's maiden name was Hollyman. > >>From the census entries Sophia (wife of William BAYNTON) was born in >>Abbots > Leigh c. 1793. > The IGI lists a Sophia HOLLYMAN Christened 1790 Abbots Leigh. > > Hope this helps. > > Fee > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    05/17/2010 08:27:04
    1. Re: [B&D] Taking the ...
    2. Frances and Geoff Jarvis
    3. I have a vague recollection of something like this pissoir at the top of the Blackboy Hill. It would either have been in the 1950s when I was at school at the then St David's College or in the mid 60s when I worked nearby for a few months. I also remember the signs outside it for a Hackney Carriage stand (as taxis were still referred to on sigs back then). Geoff Jarvis < This interesting article will explain but just don't get taken short if you're visiting Bristol's Great Western Dockyard ;)) http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/8634087.stm -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk > ****

    05/17/2010 08:17:50
    1. Re: [B&D] WARRY of Shapwick House.
    2. Geoffrey Stone
    3. Graham wrote: Many Thousands of Descendants of King Edward III.[R.1327-1377] The arithmetic is such that anybody with British ancestors is likely to be descended from Edward III. The problem is finding the link ! The model of our family tree doubling up in number with every generation soon breaks down after a few generations as we find cousin marriages. Doubling up for 26 generations leads to 67 million ancestors which of course is quite impossible, since the population of the UK after the 'Black Death' was only about 3 million in the mid-1300s. Instead of being a pyramid, the model is a series of parallel lines such that we are all cousins - 5th, 10th, 20th, or whatever, with our trees intertwined. Happy hunting. Regards, Geoff One Name Study of WEDMORE worldwide and linked interests in BRISON, DUCK, POLE, TOLSON and One Name Study of PUCKLE, SCARNELL and SCUFFHAM in the UK. http://www.wedmore.org.uk

    05/17/2010 07:59:10
    1. Re: [B&D] WARRY of Shapwick House.
    2. Roy Stockdill
    3. > Charani. > Seeing your connection to Shapwick,I well remember many years ago > seeing a George WARRY of Shapwick House,who's wife was one of the Many > Thousands of Descendants of King Edward III.[R.1327-1377] These were > listed in the book "The Plantagenet Book of the Blood Royal",By the > Marquis De Revigney, who estimated that in 1905,when he published his > 5 Volumes of his books,that there were at least 50,000 LIVING > Descendants of That King. I have now bought a Disc of those 5 > volume's.But I am as yet to figure out of there is an Index to the > many thousands of People,and more importantly,The Hundreds of Family > tree's it shows. The Moral of this message being,If YOU think you are > descended from Royalty? Then "Join the queue!" Cheers Graham. > > -- > Graham Williams.of > Canton,Cardiff. > Chairman,"Canton Historical Society". > Glam;FHS;#551. > At least two of my colleagues on the Board of Trustees of the Society of Genealogists are descended from William the Conqueror and can prove it. When I proudly told them over dinner one night that I was NOT descended from Bill the Bastard they demanded to know if I could prove it! Of course I can't, but to date I have never found an iota of evidence that I have any royal blood and, what is more, I don't seek any, being a republican! However, it's back to the old conundrum, isn't it? You only have to go back around 20 generations or so and we all have a million ancestors, doubling in every generation before that. And yet in the Middle Ages the entire population of Britain is reckoned to have numbered no more than a couple of million. So, disregarding immigrants, the theory goes that just about everybody must be descended from some royal personage or other somewhere along the line. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

    05/17/2010 06:47:35
    1. [B&D] WARRY of Shapwick House.
    2. robert williams
    3. Charani. Seeing your connection to Shapwick,I well remember many years ago seeing a George WARRY of Shapwick House,who's wife was one of the Many Thousands of Descendants of King Edward III.[R.1327-1377] These were listed in the book "The Plantagenet Book of the Blood Royal",By the Marquis De Revigney, who estimated that in 1905,when he published his 5 Volumes of his books,that there were at least 50,000 LIVING Descendants of That King. I have now bought a Disc of those 5 volume's.But I am as yet to figure out of there is an Index to the many thousands of People,and more importantly,The Hundreds of Family tree's it shows. The Moral of this message being,If YOU think you are descended from Royalty? Then "Join the queue!" Cheers Graham. -- Graham Williams.of Canton,Cardiff. Chairman,"Canton Historical Society". Glam;FHS;#551.

    05/17/2010 05:27:56
    1. [B&D] WARRY/CUFF.
    2. robert williams
    3. I have no knowledge of a connection with WARRY and CUFF. It would be up to you to find the connection. No doubt a search back in time will find it. Graham. -- Graham Williams.of Canton,Cardiff. Chairman,"Canton Historical Society". Glam;FHS;#551.

    05/17/2010 05:19:49
    1. Re: [B&D] Taking the ...
    2. roger baynton
    3. Your recollection certainly matches mine. It was painted green if I recall correctly and was on that island bit where the old St Johns School was before it moved to Worrall Road I think that it was physically there until into the 70s but whether it was open for 'business' I don't know - I never felt the need when I was in the area !!! Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frances and Geoff Jarvis" <g.f.jarvis@bigpond.com> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 5:17 AM Subject: Re: [B&D] Taking the ... > > I have a vague recollection of something like this pissoir at the top of > the > Blackboy Hill. It would either have been in the 1950s when I was at school > at the then St David's College or in the mid 60s when I worked nearby for > a > few months. > I also remember the signs outside it for a Hackney Carriage stand (as > taxis > were still referred to on sigs back then). > > Geoff Jarvis > > > > > < > This interesting article will explain but just don't get taken short > if you're visiting Bristol's Great Western Dockyard ;)) > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/8634087.stm > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM > Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk >> > > **** > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    05/17/2010 04:21:10
    1. Re: [B&D] WARRY/CUFF.
    2. Janet Cuff
    3. Thank you for replying Graham, I wasn't looking for an easy opt out but just thought it was an avenue worth exploring. Janet ----- Original Message ---- From: robert williams <robert.williams94@googlemail.com> To: bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 17 May, 2010 11:19:49 Subject: [B&D] WARRY/CUFF. I have no knowledge of a connection with WARRY and CUFF. It would be up to you to find the connection. No doubt a search back in time will find it. Graham. -- Graham Williams.of Canton,Cardiff. Chairman,"Canton Historical Society". Glam;FHS;#551. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    05/16/2010 10:40:28
    1. Re: [B&D] A conundrum
    2. roger baynton
    3. Just an acknowledgement really at this stage! Thanks to Charani, Fee, Mary,Liz & Jim for an inbox full of good stuff which I have only had a brief look at! I have set aside tomorrow morning to get my head round all this. May take in the afternoon too! Thanks for such a wonderful response to my first post - most welcoming Cheeers Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Hase" <pat@pathase.demon.co.uk> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [B&D] A conundrum > Fee - What a good piece of research - well done! > I was getting there but you beat me to it. > > A question of a second marriage and assumptions about the parentage of > children - how we've all been caught out by a similar situation! > > Pat > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fee Manley" <feemanley@sky.com> > To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 7:58 AM > Subject: Re: [B&D] A conundrum > > >> Hello again Roger. >> >> According to the IGI from www.familysearch.org William BAYNTON married >> Cornelia BUCKLER in Warminster in 1823 and had offspring William Buckler >> BAYNTON in 1824 and Robert Ashman BAYNTON in 1827. >> >> Sarah Hollyman KNIGHT born 1816 and Emma Sophia KNIGHT born 1826 are >> listed >> as being the daughters of Richard KNIGHT and Sophia as well as a third >> daughter Jane Ellen who was born in 1831. >> >>>From Free BMD William BAYNTON married in Septembe qtr 1839 Bedminster >> district to Sophia KNIGHT. >> >> So it looks like the Knight girls were step-daughters of William BAYNTON. >> >> Given the middle name of Sarah Hollyman KNIGHT I would guess that her >> mother's maiden name was Hollyman. >> >>>From the census entries Sophia (wife of William BAYNTON) was born in >>>Abbots >> Leigh c. 1793. >> The IGI lists a Sophia HOLLYMAN Christened 1790 Abbots Leigh. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> Fee > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    05/16/2010 01:18:37
    1. Re: [B&D] A conundrum
    2. Pat Hase
    3. Fee - What a good piece of research - well done! I was getting there but you beat me to it. A question of a second marriage and assumptions about the parentage of children - how we've all been caught out by a similar situation! Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fee Manley" <feemanley@sky.com> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [B&D] A conundrum > Hello again Roger. > > According to the IGI from www.familysearch.org William BAYNTON married > Cornelia BUCKLER in Warminster in 1823 and had offspring William Buckler > BAYNTON in 1824 and Robert Ashman BAYNTON in 1827. > > Sarah Hollyman KNIGHT born 1816 and Emma Sophia KNIGHT born 1826 are > listed > as being the daughters of Richard KNIGHT and Sophia as well as a third > daughter Jane Ellen who was born in 1831. > >>From Free BMD William BAYNTON married in Septembe qtr 1839 Bedminster > district to Sophia KNIGHT. > > So it looks like the Knight girls were step-daughters of William BAYNTON. > > Given the middle name of Sarah Hollyman KNIGHT I would guess that her > mother's maiden name was Hollyman. > >>From the census entries Sophia (wife of William BAYNTON) was born in >>Abbots > Leigh c. 1793. > The IGI lists a Sophia HOLLYMAN Christened 1790 Abbots Leigh. > > Hope this helps. > > Fee

    05/16/2010 06:42:17
    1. Re: [B&D] A conundrum
    2. Charani
    3. Liz wrote: > That is fascinating. Especially as Sophia BUCKLER was married to William > BAYNTON in 1823! I don't suppose we are talking about two totally different > families here? Alternatively, it could be that Emma Sophia's parents died > and she was "adopted" by the BAYNTON family. If they only had two boys, > perhaps they wanted a girl? I wondered if it was an "adoption" too. It also crossed my mind that maybe KNIGHT was a brother in law either of the same generation or the previous one. Ditto LOCKE. Families were a lot closer then than they tend to be now. Did William have any sisters or aunts? -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

    05/16/2010 04:33:42
    1. Re: [B&D] A conundrum
    2. Liz
    3. That is fascinating. Especially as Sophia BUCKLER was married to William BAYNTON in 1823! I don't suppose we are talking about two totally different families here? Alternatively, it could be that Emma Sophia's parents died and she was "adopted" by the BAYNTON family. If they only had two boys, perhaps they wanted a girl? Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Mason" <mary.mason@btopenworld.com> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [B&D] A conundrum I have looked at Long Ashton baptisms and could find one Emma Knight. 1826 Aug 31 Emma Sophia to Richard and Sophia Knight, Long Ashton, tiler and plasterer. Regards Mary. Mary`s Portbury Hundred records at: http://www.portbury-hundred.co.uk

    05/16/2010 03:58:15
    1. Re: [B&D] A conundrum
    2. roger baynton
    3. A VERY likely candidate, and one which I will follow up today. The super response which I have had from you guys (and the Monaco Grad prix on telly !) gives me a great excuse NOT to go out into the rain ! :-) R ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Mason" <mary.mason@btopenworld.com> To: <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [B&D] A conundrum I have looked at Long Ashton baptisms and could find one Emma Knight. 1826 Aug 31 Emma Sophia to Richard and Sophia Knight, Long Ashton, tiler and plasterer. Regards Mary. Mary`s Portbury Hundred records at: http://www.portbury-hundred.co.uk --- On Sat, 15/5/10, roger baynton <baynton@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: From: roger baynton <baynton@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: [B&D] A conundrum To: "Bristol & Dist Roots web" <bristol_and_district@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, 15 May, 2010, 17:38 Hi. This is my first post and I am a bit of a newbie to all this but have come across an interesting conundrum which you experts MAY be able to point me in the direction of unravelling Also apologies if this is a bit long but bear with me, you will see that I couldnt really shorten it much! I am looking at the branch of the Bayntons which ended up in Bristol from Bromham, Wilts via Mells, Som. William Baynton (1799) married (in 1823) Sophia Buckler (1796) who is recorded in later censuses as born in Abbots Leigh They had 2 sons, William (1824) and Robert (1827) In the 1841 census William (senior) and Sophia are recorded as running the Angel Inn in Long Ashton. William (Junior) and Robert have left home and their household is; William Baynton 40 Sophia Baynton 45 Sarah Lock 25 Plus 4 servants (presumably pub staff) In the 1851 census the couple have moved to an address in Bower Ashton Terrace and William is recorded as a Coal Merchant and their household is; William Baynton 49 Sophia Baynton 58 Emma Knight UNMARRIED DAUGHTER born Long Ashton 23 Ellen Locke GRANDCHILD born Bedminster 7 John Locke GRANDSON born Newport Mon. 8 Lionel Locke GRANDSON born Bedminster 3 Ann Vowles Servant 20 The question arises where does Emma Knight come into the picture? And of whom is she the daughter, William or Sophia and where does the name Knight come from? Furthermore whose are the three Locke children? If they ARE grandchildren of William or Sophia then they don't seem to be offspring of the two legitimate sons who I have tracked and are apparently happily married elsewhere. The likelihood is that they are Emma Knight's. She would have been 16 when the first, Ellen was conceived. So who is Locke the father of these three? A search on the youngest of the three 'grandchildren' Lionel Locke born about 1848 in the 1861 census leads us to the household of Lewis Locke at 3 Clouds Hill Villas St George. Lewis is 50 and the Manager of an Iron Mine. The household is Lewis Locke head 50 Sarah Locke wife 44 Sylvina Locke daughter 11 Lionel Locke son 13 This then is almost certainly the SAME Sarah Locke recorded as being at the Angel Inn in 1841 and the daughter of William or Sophia Baynton SO, if Sarah Locke & Lewis Locke are the parents of Lionel (and Sylvina) and by implication of John and Ellen (who could well have flown the nest by 1861) what were they doing living with my 3 x Great Grand Parents in a Coal Merchant's house in 1851 being recorded as their grandchildren, without a parent. And WHO was Emma Knight - was she REALLY an illegitimate daughter of William or Sophia? There is one final twist to this story. William Baynton was a son of John Baynton and the only one of the sons not to go into found Baynton's Brewery at Ashton Gate (where Baynton Road now is just up from the City Ground) but according to Theo Baynton's book on the Bayntons there is evidence that he (William not Theo!) selected the site for the brewery and designed the layout of Ashton Vale Colliery He had strong connections with this colliery The excellent Coal Mining History Resource website http://www.cmhrc.co.uk/site/database/cmhrc?text_search=baynton&action=search_by_keyword Records the owner as Baynton and KNIGHT When the colliery finished, I understand that the business became The Ashton Vale Iron Company Limited The Ashton Vale Iron Company Limited was registered on 17 June 1864 as the successor to a series of partnerships which included Baynton, Knight and Co., Knight, Abbots and Co. and Edwin Knight and Co. Note the name KNIGHT keeps on cropping up is there any connection to the enigmatic Emma Knight? Any tips? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    05/16/2010 03:08:49
    1. Re: [B&D] A conundrum
    2. Fee Manley
    3. Hello again Roger. According to the IGI from www.familysearch.org William BAYNTON married Cornelia BUCKLER in Warminster in 1823 and had offspring William Buckler BAYNTON in 1824 and Robert Ashman BAYNTON in 1827. Sarah Hollyman KNIGHT born 1816 and Emma Sophia KNIGHT born 1826 are listed as being the daughters of Richard KNIGHT and Sophia as well as a third daughter Jane Ellen who was born in 1831. >From Free BMD William BAYNTON married in Septembe qtr 1839 Bedminster district to Sophia KNIGHT. So it looks like the Knight girls were step-daughters of William BAYNTON. Given the middle name of Sarah Hollyman KNIGHT I would guess that her mother's maiden name was Hollyman. >From the census entries Sophia (wife of William BAYNTON) was born in Abbots Leigh c. 1793. The IGI lists a Sophia HOLLYMAN Christened 1790 Abbots Leigh. Hope this helps. Fee

    05/16/2010 01:58:02
    1. Re: [B&D] A conundrum
    2. Fee Manley
    3. Hello Roger Re. > So who is Locke the father of these three? > A search on the youngest of the three 'grandchildren' Lionel Locke born > about 1848 in the 1861 census leads us to the household of Lewis Locke at > 3 > Clouds Hill Villas St George. Lewis is 50 and the Manager of an Iron Mine. > The household is Lewis Locke head 50 Sarah Locke wife 44 Sylvina Locke daughter 11 Lionel Locke son 13 > This then is almost certainly the SAME Sarah Locke recorded as being at > the > Angel Inn in 1841 and the daughter of William or Sophia Baynton> >From Free BMD (www.freebmd.org) Lewis LOCKE married Sarah Holyman KNIGHT in September qtr 1840 Williton district. So it looks like Sarah and Emma were sisters. In 1841 Lewis is in Newport - occupation Brewer. In 1851 Lewis and Sarah are in Bedminster - daughter Sylvana is with them. Lewis' occupation is traveller. If you get a copy of Lewis and Sarah's marriage certificate it should tell you who Sarah's father was. Will send copies of the census entries off list. Cheers, Fee in Bristol

    05/16/2010 01:15:35
    1. Re: [B&D] A conundrum
    2. jim goodman
    3. BAYNTON, this is a very old name in Bristol including a book written in 1797 by Thomas BAYNTON a surgeon of Bristol On 15-May-10, at 9:38 AM, roger baynton wrote: >

    05/15/2010 03:59:38