Edna, Cadbury was most definitely not a Bristol company; it was only after the 2 families decided they had some synergy [Quakers] that they decided to merge [more of a Cadbury takover]. Cadbury was always based near Birmingham. The quintessential Bristol company was J.S Fry and Sons. It's only in recent times that, with numerous takovers, the J S Fry name has disappeared from manufacturing as a legal entity, but is very much alive as a brand on Turkish Delight, Chocolate Cream etc Peter On 10/18/10, liverpud <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > > > Heard this was a good book by Deborah Cadbury.... > especially in view that Cadbury and Fry were Bristol companies. > > Edna ~ sunny Ottawa > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Carol Collins wrote: > I'm trying to find a baptism for a Sarah Ann Prigg. The IGI has her > baptism on November 1, 1846 at the age of one year. However, this > entry is a patron submission. I'm trying to find out in which > church she was baptised. Her parents were Thomas and Elizabeth > Prigg. There's a Sarah Ann Prigg on www.freebmd.org.uk whose birth was registered in the Dec qtr of 1846 in Clifton Reg District (Ref 11 300). Does this Registration District match with that of other siblings? The entry in the IGI giving the baptism is not marked as a patron submission but has a Batch No of I024161. Clicking on that finds the baptism of an Elizabeth, on 18 July 1847 also age 1 (parents Samuel and Caroline). This is matched by a birth registration in the June qtr of 1847, again in Clifton Reg District (Ref 11 267). It looks as though whoever transcribed the registers misread or misinterpreted a mark as being one year when it should have been 1 month or 1 week. There is a date of birth given as October 1846 for Sarah Ann which is a patron submission though. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

The Somerdale factory was built by Fry's. It only became a Cadbury factory when they took it over. Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [B&D] "Chocolate Wars" liverpud wrote: > Sadly taken over by Kraft. You were right as was Phil. Cadbury's was started in Bournville but they also were in Bristol: <quote> Sir Dominic said the fate of the factory's Somerdale plant in Keynsham, near Bristol, would be a test of Kraft's trustworthiness. </quote> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/8493484.stm -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The other Bristol chocolate firm was Carson's.... Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Ashford" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [B&D] "Chocolate Wars" Edna, Cadbury was most definitely not a Bristol company; it was only after the 2 families decided they had some synergy [Quakers] that they decided to merge [more of a Cadbury takover]. Cadbury was always based near Birmingham. The quintessential Bristol company was J.S Fry and Sons. It's only in recent times that, with numerous takovers, the J S Fry name has disappeared from manufacturing as a legal entity, but is very much alive as a brand on Turkish Delight, Chocolate Cream etc Peter On 10/18/10, liverpud <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > > > Heard this was a good book by Deborah Cadbury.... > especially in view that Cadbury and Fry were Bristol companies. > > Edna ~ sunny Ottawa > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rowntrees - in York - was also started by the Quakers, they seemed to go in for chocolate factories. Liz...currently in NZ and having dinner with Peter tonight www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset --- On Sun, 17/10/10, Peter Ashford <[email protected]> wrote: > Cadbury was most definitely not a Bristol company; it was > only after > the 2 families decided they had some synergy [Quakers] that > they > decided to merge [more of a Cadbury takover]. Cadbury was > always based > near Birmingham. > > The quintessential Bristol company was J.S Fry and Sons. > > It's only in recent times that, with numerous takovers, the > J S Fry > name has disappeared from manufacturing as a legal entity, > but is very > much alive as a brand on Turkish Delight, Chocolate Cream > etc > > Peter > > On 10/18/10, liverpud <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > > > Heard this was a good book by Deborah Cadbury.... > > especially in view that Cadbury and Fry were  > Bristol companies. > > > > Edna ~ sunny Ottawa > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

liverpud wrote: > Sadly taken over by Kraft. You were right as was Phil. Cadbury's was started in Bournville but they also were in Bristol: <quote> Sir Dominic said the fate of the factory's Somerdale plant in Keynsham, near Bristol, would be a test of Kraft's trustworthiness. </quote> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/8493484.stm -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Hi Edna, Bristol - Fry - yes. Cadbury - no - Birmingham - think Bournville HTH Phil

Hi: I'm trying to find a baptism for a Sarah Ann Prigg. The IGI has her baptism on November 1, 1846 at the age of one year. However, this entry is a patron submission. I'm trying to find out in which church she was baptised. Her parents were Thomas and Elizabeth Prigg. The family had attended the parish church of St. Philip & Jacob. They had a son named Henry baptized on August 3, 1843 in the parish church according to the parish register. At that time, the family was living in the Dings area and the father's occupation was given as fireman. There weren't any Prigg baptisms for this family in the parish church after that, at least up to 1854. On the 1851 census, the family was living at 3 Avon Street with the father's occupation still as fireman. It seems that the family switched churches. Does anyone have an idea of which church they would have switched to? Regards, Carol Collins

Apparently this book was discussed today on CBC Radio and the author was interviewed. It is not in our local library as yet. Will look forward to reading it. Thanks Peter, Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Ashford" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [B&D] "Chocolate Wars" Edna, Cadbury was most definitely not a Bristol company; it was only after the 2 families decided they had some synergy [Quakers] that they decided to merge [more of a Cadbury takover]. Cadbury was always based near Birmingham. The quintessential Bristol company was J.S Fry and Sons. It's only in recent times that, with numerous takovers, the J S Fry name has disappeared from manufacturing as a legal entity, but is very much alive as a brand on Turkish Delight, Chocolate Cream etc Peter On 10/18/10, liverpud <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > > > Heard this was a good book by Deborah Cadbury.... > especially in view that Cadbury and Fry were Bristol companies. > > Edna ~ sunny Ottawa > >

Thanks Philip. Sadly taken over by Kraft. M-m-m, Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Warn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [B&D] "Chocolate Wars" Hi Edna, Bristol - Fry - yes. Cadbury - no - Birmingham - think Bournville HTH Phil

Hi, Heard this was a good book by Deborah Cadbury.... especially in view that Cadbury and Fry were Bristol companies. Edna ~ sunny Ottawa

<<snipped>> a pole is same as a rod or perch (5.5 yards) <<snipped>> Not quite - these old units require a bit of brain-bashing, I'm afraid, not least because of their historical origins resulting in obscure definitions. Anyway, of pole, rod, perch and 5.5 yards... Pole is a measure of area Rod is a measure of length Perch is a measure of area 5.5 yards is, of course, a measure of length. A pole, a perch and a SQUARE rod are all the same. A square rod is a square whose sides are 1 rod long, and 1 rod does equal 5.5 yards (5.5 yds being, "of course", a quarter of a chain - a.k.a. a quarter of a cricket pitch, is it not?) Incidentally, the Michael Wood program on Kibworth the other night noted that an acre was approximately the amount of land tillable by one man behind an ox in one day - but this varied by soil type so that, in medieval times, an acre on heavy clay would be smaller than an acre on light soil as the clay ploughman could do less in the day. Adrian B

THE RETURN OF OWNERS LAND, 1873 Ancestry has added to its data base a list of land owners a survey done at request of government in 1872 the list may be looked at by shire, eg gloucester, Leicester it lists owner, and their address ( not always on land) it gives land size in acres roods and poles and estimated yearly rental value a rood is a quarter acre a pole is same as a rod or perch (5.5 yards) jim

Just in case you have relatives in other counties so just passing on... Edna - Ottawa -- From: "Alexandra Coles" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 12:24 AM Subject: [DEV] One Place Studies Hi everyone I am taking over the One Place Study Index (currently at http://www.wirksworth.org.uk/A43-OPS.htm) and moving it to its own expanded website which will include articles, networking etc. I'm keen to find some new entries for the Index and see who else might be out there. If you are undertaking a one-place-study and would like to be listed please let me know. For studies with their own website I'll be linking to the website,otherwise I'll be including an email link (hidden from spammers via javascript). The site will be live in early November. Regards Alex in Auckland NZ Visit the Wing One Place Study at http://www.wing-ops.org.uk/, and the One Place Study Index at http://www.one-place-studies.org/

This sounds like an interesting project. One of the ships listed on the site is the HMS Bristol :)) Notes in square brackets ([]) are mine. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: FFHS-NEWS Invitation to transcribe online Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 20:49:28 +0100 From: News from the Federation of Family History Societies The following may be of interest, especially if you have ancestors who served in any of the ships listed on www.OldWeather.org. The ships logs may contain more than just information about the weather. News release 12 October 2010 [received 15 Oct] World War One ships chart past climate The public are being asked to revisit the voyages of World War One Royal Navy warships to help scientists working on a JISC project understand the climate of the past and unearth new historical information. Visitors to www.OldWeather.org, which launches today, will be able to retrace the routes taken by any of 280 Royal Navy ships including historic vessels such as HMS Caroline, the last survivor of the 1916 Battle of Jutland still afloat. The naval logbooks contain a treasure trove of information but because the entries are handwritten they are incredibly difficult for a computer to read. By getting an army of online human volunteers to retrace these voyages and transcribe the information recorded by British sailors we can relive both the climate of the past and key moments in naval history. Alastair Dunning, programme manager at JISC which is funding the project, said: "Solving complex scientific problems used to be restricted to the laboratories of the university campus. But with sites like Old Weather, the general public can play an important role in uncovering the data that underpins the arguments behind climate change. Hopefully, Old Weather can spark a whole range of similar cyber science projects, engaging the public in the grand scientific issues of our time." The 'virtual sailors' visiting OldWeather.org are rewarded for their efforts by a rise through the ratings from cadet to captain of a particular ship according to the number of pages they transcribe. The project is inspired by earlier Oxford University-led 'citizen science' projects, such as Galaxy Zoo and Moon Zoo - that have seen more than 320,000 people make over 150 million classifications - which have shown that ordinary web users can make observations that are as accurate as those made by experts. Dr Peter Stott, head of climate monitoring and attribution at the Met Office, said: "Historical weather data is vital because it allows us to test our models of the Earth's climate: if we can correctly account for what the weather was doing in the past, then we can have more confidence in our predictions of the future. Unfortunately, the historical record is full of gaps, particularly from before 1920 and at sea, so this project is invaluable." Dr Robert Simpson of Oxford University, one of the OldWeather.org team, said: "Luckily, these observations made by Royal Navy sailors every four hours without fail - even whilst under enemy fire! - can help to fill this 'data gap'. It's almost like launching a weather satellite into the skies at a time when manpowered flight was still in its infancy." OldWeather.org forms a key part of the International ACRE Project, which is recovering past weather and climate data from around the world and bringing them into widespread use. Most of the data about past climate comes from land-based weather monitoring stations which have been systematically recording data for over 150 years. The weather information from the ships at OldWeather.org, which spans the period 1905-1929, effectively extends this land-based network to 280 seaborne weather stations traversing the world's oceans. It isn't just gaps in the weather records that the team hope to fill but gaps in the history books too. OldWeather.org is teaming up with naval historians in an effort to add to our knowledge of the exploits of hundreds of Royal Navy vessels and the thousands of men who served on them. "Life in the trenches is well documented but the maritime struggle that took place during World War One is less well known," said historian Gordon Smith of Naval-History.Net. "This was a global conflict that reached across the world's oceans to every part of the globe and was about far more than just the Battle of Jutland. We hope these new records will give people a fresh insight into naval history and encourage people to find out more about Britain's naval past and the role their relatives played in it." ends Roger Lewry FFHS Archives Liaison -------- Original Message ends -------- -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

You probably already know but Familysearch Record Search has several christenings for children of Thomas & Ellen BRAIN from about 1871 onwards but nothing for a Thomas & Helen. There is registration on FreeBMD of a William James W BRAIN being born in 1868 and dying in the same quarter as Helen in 1869 who might be worth following up. The 3 forenames names does fit with your family! Best wishes Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lindsey Guest" <[email protected]> To: "Bristol Mailing List" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 2:26 PM Subject: [B&D] Thomas Brain and Helen Smith offspring? > > Hello all, > > My gt gt grandfather, Thomas Brain (b 1844) married his first wife, Helen > Smith in Kensington, Middx, in 1867. > Helen > died at 14 Goodhind Street, Clifton, in April 1869, and Thomas married > my gt gt grandmother, Ellen Boulter, on Jully 22 1869. > > As he > married so soon after Helen's death, I wondered if she may have died in > childbirth (cause of death: acute encephalitis and fever) and if so, > did he marry Ellen to raise the child? We have no record of any > children from this marriage living in the 1871 census. Thomas and > Ellen's first born was named Helena Alice Maud, (in honour of Helen?) > but she was born and died in 1870. > > If anyone has access to baptism records, were any children baptised to > Thomas and Helen between 1867-1869? > > Many thanks, > Lindsey > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello all, My gt gt grandfather, Thomas Brain (b 1844) married his first wife, Helen Smith in Kensington, Middx, in 1867. Helen died at 14 Goodhind Street, Clifton, in April 1869, and Thomas married my gt gt grandmother, Ellen Boulter, on Jully 22 1869. As he married so soon after Helen's death, I wondered if she may have died in childbirth (cause of death: acute encephalitis and fever) and if so, did he marry Ellen to raise the child? We have no record of any children from this marriage living in the 1871 census. Thomas and Ellen's first born was named Helena Alice Maud, (in honour of Helen?) but she was born and died in 1870. If anyone has access to baptism records, were any children baptised to Thomas and Helen between 1867-1869? Many thanks, Lindsey

Hello all, My gt gt grandfather, Thomas Brain (b 1844) married his first wife, Helen Smith in Kensington, Middx, in 1867. Helen died at 14 Goodhind Street, Clifton, in April 1869, and Thomas married my gt gt grandmother, Ellen Boulter, on Jully 22 1869. As he married so soon after Helen's death, I wondered if she may have died in childbirth (cause of death: acute encephalitis and fever) and if so, did he marry Ellen to raise the child? We have no record of any children from this marriage living in the 1871 census. Thomas and Ellen's first born was named Helena Alice Maud, (in honour of Helen?) but she was born and died in 1870. If anyone has access to baptism records, were any children baptised to Thomas and Helen between 1867-1869? Many thanks, Lindsey

Hello all, My gt gt grandfather, Thomas Brain (b 1844) married his first wife, Helen Smith in Kensington, Middx, in 1867. Helen died at 14 Goodhind Street, Clifton, in April 1869, and Thomas married my gt gt grandmother, Ellen Boulter, on Jully 22 1869. As he married so soon after Helen's death, I wondered if she may have died in childbirth (cause of death: acute encephalitis and fever) and if so, did he marry Ellen to raise the child? We have no record of any children from this marriage living in the 1871 census. Thomas and Ellen's first born was named Helena Alice Maud, (in honour of Helen?) but she was born and died in 1870. If anyone has access to baptism records, were any children baptised to Thomas and Helen between 1867-1869? Many thanks, Lindsey

Pat Hase wrote: > I've just come across these marriages > > 3 March 1799 at St Peter's Bristol > Thomas DAVIS to Martha SAGE > > 21 Feb 1803 at Stanton Drew > Thomas DAVIES to Martha SAGE botp by banns - witnesses William BRODRIBB & > Francis FOWLER (BRODRIBB is a common signature as witness) > > There's baptism at Stanton Drew > 27 Oct 1800 of Frances DAVIES d/o Thomas & Martha > > Frances DAVIES, presumably their daughter, went on to marry James WILLIAMS a > brother of my 3 x great grandmother and I'm now curious about why her > parents appear to have married twice > > I can't seem to see any other baptisms of children. It would appear you've flummoxed our SAGE researchers with this one :)) I would guess William BRODRIBB was the parish clerk or other church official. Could Thomas and Martha have married the first time after eloping then having done the deed and eventually been forgiven, have come home to marry in front of family and friends? Or maybe there was something awry with the first marriage that caused it be invalid so they had to do it again - after Frances' baptism! -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/