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There are a number of items tht may be of interest in this newsletter, not all relevant to this list but left in just in case :)) -------- Original Message -------- Subject: IHGS Newsletter 112 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 15:13:51 -0000 The Institute of Heraldic and Genealogical Studies The School of Family History www.ihgs.ac.uk Newsletter No. 112 - November 2010 Welcome to our latest Newsletter! News Practical Family History The last ever issue will be published in December. Its sister magazine Family Tree will continue to be published on a monthly basis. Appeal for Volunteers <http://www.oldweather.org/> Oldweather.org needs volunteers to cover the logbooks of Royal Navy ships - perhaps those your ancestors sailed on - in order to transcribe weather data for climate change research. Cleveland Street Workhouse One of the last surviving workhouse buildings in London - the former Strand workhouse on Cleveland Street - is under imminent treat of demolition. Please consider signing the e-petition against its destruction. For further information on this workhouse and why it is important to save it go to <https://achievements-sb/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.workhouses.org/> http://www.workhouses.org/ (a previous Website Spotlight) from where you can also sign the petition, or go straight to the petition at: <https://achievements-sb/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.gopetition.com/petition/39594.html> http://www.gopetition.com/petition/39594.html Website Updates Welsh Registers to be Released FindMyPast, in collaboration with the Church in Wales, Welsh Archive Services and FamilySearch International to bring 8, 000, 000 parish records dating back to the 1500s to the web. The project is expected to be completed in two years. FindMyPast have released a Second Boer War database including; Official Casualty Rolls, A Gazetteer of the Second Anglo-Boer War 1899-1902, Medal Rolls, Anglo-Boer War Memorials Project, Winifred Scott's Anglo-Boer War Index and Kevin Asplin's rolls for the British cavalry, Imperial Yeomanry, Imperial Yeomanry Hospital, and the Lovat's Scouts and Scottish Horse records. They have also released the 1787 Army List <http://www.archives.lib.ed.ac.uk/students/> Edinburgh Alumni These are now available online at the above link, although the service is not yet complete. <http://gale.cengage.co.uk/images/Clark%20Tudor%20Society.pdf> State Papers Online This website provides access to State Papers Domestic and Foreign, Registers of the Privy Council and State Papers in the British Library amongst others, described as 'an enormous advance in historical research'. Three-quarters complete and covering 1519-1714, it is available for purchase by institutions and not by individuals- but check your local library's subscriptions. One of many useful essays about the papers can be found <http://gale.cengage.co.uk/images/Clark%20Tudor%20Society.pdf> here (pdf). <http://www.prtsoc.org.uk/> Parish Register Transcription Society records now online This non-profit organization has now begun to place its records online- previously they were only available on CD. Credits must be purchased, but surplus money will go to <http://www.rethink.org/> Rethink. These records may include our own Phillimore and Hackman collections which they had previously <http://www.ihgs.ac.uk/shop/index.php/Books/transcripts/Phillimore> made available on disk. <http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/naturalization-1915-1932/index-e.html> Library and Archives Canada update They have launched a new version of their <http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/naturalization-1915-1932/index-e.html> Canadian Naturalization Database for use in finding original naturalization records, with scans where possible. UKBMD update A <http://www.cumbriabmd.org.uk/> Cumbrian Registration website is now open, and although the indexes aren't complete, a breakdown of coverage is available. <https://beta.familysearch.org/> FamilySearch Updates Germany, Ludwigshafen Church Record Extractions and Family Registers: 106,564 browsable digital images Germany, 1890 - Mecklenburg-Schwerin Census: 31,499 additional images Ghana, 1982-1984 - Census: 458,716 browsable digital images Norway, 1875 - Census: 41,701 additional images Puerto Rico, Civil Registration, 1836-2001: 3,763 additional images <http://www.ancestry.co.uk/> Ancestry Update English Civil War period parish registers for London have now been completed so that the indexed and imaged registers now cover Greater London from 1538 to 1980. Earlier records still in existence have also been included. These records were previously available only at the <http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/Corporation/LGNL_Services/Leisure_and_culture/Records_and_archives/> London Metropolitan Archives NEXT COURSE: <http://www.ihgs.ac.uk/courses/day_and_residential_2_wills_and_how_to_read_them.html> Wills and How to Read Them ~ 13th November Wills form a wonderful source for family historians, often proving a relationship where nothing else can. Information about an ancestor's personality can be inferred from bequests and inventories, such as when a humble blacksmith leaves the business to his wife 'to carry out' and funds for each grandchild's education. You can sometimes find out who they disliked! Wills were not only left by the wealthy, but often by any craftsman who had (often highly specialised) tools to bequeath. The sessions on reading wills can also help with older parish registers and other documents. This course (only £37.00) has been confirmed as running so do <http://www.ihgs.ac.uk/courses/day_and_residential_2_wills_and_how_to_read_them.html> book early before places run out. Forthcoming Events November 12 IHGS Correspondence Course Day Tutorial Lectures 7-12 13 <http://www.ihgs.ac.uk/courses/day_and_residential_2_wills_and_how_to_read_them.html> IHGS Day School "Wills and How to Read Them" 2011 February 19 <http://www.ihgs.ac.uk/courses/day_and_residential_12_the_professional_approach.html> IHGS Day School "The Professional Approach" 25-27 Who Do You Think You Are? 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Please note the discount will be calculated after the order has been submitted. Did You Know... ...that the body of Charles I was disinterred on its accidental discovery in 1813 and part of it may have been stolen? Sir Henry Halford, physician and first baronet, was described as the 'eel-backed baronet', for while holding a successful practice and serving George III, George IV, William IV and Queen Victoria, he was described as 'vain, cringing to superiors, and haughty to inferiors'. It was said that Halford, who described the King's axed fourth cervical vertebra in close detail (despite his opposition to physically examining patients) in an Account of what Appeared on Opening the Coffin of King Charles I, actually took this bone and displayed it at dinner parties. It has been further claimed that he had it made into a salt cellar but was persuaded to return it by Victoria. On 4th November 1631 Mary of Orange, mother of William III, was born at St James's Palace 1650 William III was born 1677 William III married Mary of York - en route to the Netherlands, they were unrecognised here in Canterbury except by Dean Tillotson, whom they later made Archbishop 1765 Charles Churchill, satirical poet, died 1839 The Newport Rising was the last armed rebellion in mainland Britain 1842 US President Abraham Lincoln married Mary Todd 1852 Count Camillo Benso di Cavour became prime minister of Piedmont- Sardinia, which would soon become Italy 1868 Carolina Otero, La Belle Otero, actress, singer and courtesan, was born 1889 Menelek of Shoa obtained the allegiance of a large majority of Ethiopian nobility on his way to becoming Emperor 1908 Jozef Rotblat, physicist, Nobel laureate and nuclear disarmament campaigner was born 1918 Wilfred Owen, War Poet, died 1918 The German Revolution began 1918 Austria-Hungary surrendered to Italy 1921 Prime Minister Hara Takashi was assassinated in Tokyo 1922 Howard Carter, artist and archaeologist, discovered the steps to the tomb of Tutankhamen 1930 Kate Reid, actress, was born in London 1937 Loretta Swit, 'Hotlips Houlihan', was born in the US 1942 General Field Marshal Erwin Rommel disobeyed a direct order by Hitler by retreating at El Alamein: 'The end of the beginning'. 1956 James Honeyman-Scott, guitarist in 'The Pretenders', was born -------- Original Message ends -------- -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Does anyone know if the MAGGS family of Winterbourne and the MAGGS family of Midsomer Norton were branches of the same family? The two families are running back in parallel. I haven't followed all the sons down yet so it may be I haven't found the link as yet. Both ended up in Bristol. One is my husband's aunt's family and the other is also connected to my husband but by a rather circuitous route via the YORKs and SAGEs. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Roy Stockdill wrote: > Many thanks, Charani. I will most certainly look at the website you suggest, though I > am unsure as to who it was you "throttled" on Genbrit ! Only semi throttled and I thought you knew <G> I'll tell you off list ;)) > Thanks again for your response. YW :)) I hope you can find some answers. Kevin solved a puzzle I had with a cousin I couldn't identify. > I still believe that there must be a number of YOUNG and RABBITTS researchers out > there, considering the extraordinary numbers of people of both names who appear at > Frome in the Victorian censuses. If you look at, say, the 1841 and 1851 censuses, you > get the impression almost half the town were Youngs and Rabbitts! I'm sure I would have remembered if anyone had asked about RABBITTS because I know someone whose nickname is Rabbit. Maybe one of the list's many lurkers is interested in one or both names, unless they've all hopped it. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

On 1 Nov 2010 at 20:46, Charani wrote: > Roy Stockdill wrote: > > > Charles Rabbitts must have joined the army soon after the marriage > > and been sent to India, for he was a recipient of the Indian Mutiny > > Medal (Indian Mutiny Medal Roll 1857-59 at the Friends of British > > India website). He was a sergeant in the 3rd Battalion the Rifle > > Brigade and presumably took part in the Relief of Lucknow. > 8>< > > [...] However, the passenger lists at Findmypast of people leaving > > England between 1890-1960 have a J. S. Rabbitts, single man, joiner, > > born about 1875, sailing for South Africa aboard the ship GAIKA from > > Southampton on 20 Aug 1904. I think this was very likely Jonathan > > Stephen Rabbitts and I wonder whether, with his father being a > > long-serving professional soldier, he might also have joined the > > army and been in the Boer War in 1901 (which accounts for many men > > missing from that census), returned to England and then decided to > > go back to South Africa? > > Have you had a look on Kevin Asplin's site? It's not quite as easy to > navigate as his old one but all the information has been transferred. > > www.britishmedals.us/kevin/intro.html > > I'm not sure if we have any South African members but I do know one > who might be able to help (and not the one I've semi throttled on > GenBrit either!) > Many thanks, Charani. I will most certainly look at the website you suggest, though I am unsure as to who it was you "throttled" on Genbrit ! Thanks again for your response. I still believe that there must be a number of YOUNG and RABBITTS researchers out there, considering the extraordinary numbers of people of both names who appear at Frome in the Victorian censuses. If you look at, say, the 1841 and 1851 censuses, you get the impression almost half the town were Youngs and Rabbitts! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Some of you may have seen this link posted on the GLS list thanks to Robyn Horan. For those who haven't seen it, it's worth having a look at because there are a number of Somerset people mentioned. Unfortunately it only states the county and not the exact place thus someone given as being from Gloucester could be from Gloucester City of, Bristol or somewhere else in the county. www.old-merseytimes.co.uk/cospatrick.html Much of what is on the above site is well outside our area though. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Roy Stockdill wrote: > Charles Rabbitts must have joined the army soon after the marriage and been sent to > India, for he was a recipient of the Indian Mutiny Medal (Indian Mutiny Medal Roll > 1857-59 at the Friends of British India website). He was a sergeant in the 3rd Battalion > the Rifle Brigade and presumably took part in the Relief of Lucknow. 8>< > [...] However, the passenger lists at Findmypast of people leaving England > between 1890-1960 have a J. S. Rabbitts, single man, joiner, born about 1875, sailing > for South Africa aboard the ship GAIKA from Southampton on 20 Aug 1904. I think > this was very likely Jonathan Stephen Rabbitts and I wonder whether, with his father > being a long-serving professional soldier, he might also have joined the army and > been in the Boer War in 1901 (which accounts for many men missing from that > census), returned to England and then decided to go back to South Africa? Have you had a look on Kevin Asplin's site? It's not quite as easy to navigate as his old one but all the information has been transferred. www.britishmedals.us/kevin/intro.html I'm not sure if we have any South African members but I do know one who might be able to help (and not the one I've semi throttled on GenBrit either!) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

LYDIA YOUNG, born at Wotton-under-Edge, Glos, c1827-9, and CHARLES RABBITTS, born Cloford c1830-1, married at St John's, Frome, on 23 July 1854. Both were then of the parish of Frome (information from Stella Young's website "YOUNG marriages in Frome", http://www.fromeresearch.org.uk/) Lydia was the daughter of JOSIAH YOUNG, weaver, and Charles was the son of JOHN RABBITTS, wheelwright. The witnesses were ANDREW and SARAH YOUNG, who were my great-grandparents (Andrew YOUNG and Sarah MEAD, married at Rodden on Apr 12 1852). Lydia was Andrew Young's elder sister, so she was a great- great-aunt of mine. Charles Rabbitts must have joined the army soon after the marriage and been sent to India, for he was a recipient of the Indian Mutiny Medal (Indian Mutiny Medal Roll 1857-59 at the Friends of British India website). He was a sergeant in the 3rd Battalion the Rifle Brigade and presumably took part in the Relief of Lucknow. I have not found the couple in either 1861 or 71 but the IGI shows that they had a son, JONATHAN STEPHEN RABBITTS, born at Lucknow, West Bengal, India, on 5 Nov 1874 - some 20 years after their marriage and when Lydia must have been in her early 40s. I have found no other children. By 1881 they were back in England and living in Brandy Lane, Frome. Charles was described as an iron founder's labourer and a pensioner of the 40th Regiment and Jonathan S Rabbitts was then aged six. Charles Rabbitts died at Frome in 1885, aged 54, and his widow Lydia must have gone up to Bradford, Yorks, to be near her brother Andrew, who had moved there for work in the 1870s. She appears in Bradford with her son John, then 16, in the 1891 census. Lydia died at Bradford in 1897 and I can find no trace of Jonathan (or John) in either 1901 or 1911. However, the passenger lists at Findmypast of people leaving England between 1890-1960 have a J. S. Rabbitts, single man, joiner, born about 1875, sailing for South Africa aboard the ship GAIKA from Southampton on 20 Aug 1904. I think this was very likely Jonathan Stephen Rabbitts and I wonder whether, with his father being a long-serving professional soldier, he might also have joined the army and been in the Boer War in 1901 (which accounts for many men missing from that census), returned to England and then decided to go back to South Africa? Both YOUNG and RABBITTS were very prolific families at Frome (there were 68 Youngs and 74 Rabbitts, including variants, there in the 1851 census). I have chapter- and-verse on the Youngs and the Meads of Frome, but I am intrigued to know what happened to my distant cousin Jonathan Stephen Rabbitts, the son of Charles and Lydia? Did he die in South Africa, was he married out there and are there any descendants? I've checked out a few South African websites and not found him as yet. I just wondered whether there are any YOUNG and / or RABBITTS researchers here? Given the number of Youngs and Rabbitts at Frome, there surely must be! Many thanks, in hopeful anticipation. With apologies for the length of this message but I always like to spell out in full what I already know. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Well, nothing is straight forward in family History Research is it! I've now looked at the marriage entry and neither Samuel STOKES nor Ann THOMAS (nee PEARCE) give names for fathers! BUT the witnesses are John PEARCE and Martha PEARCE (who makes a mark) In 1814 a John PEARCE married a Martha THOMAS of Nailsea in Wraxall. On the 1841 census of Wraxall is a John PEARCE Ag Lab, aged 55 with Mary 20, Ann 20, William 18, Robert 15, and Joseph 10. By 1851 John is listed as a widower, born about 1784 in Clapton is with his married daughter Ann EDBROOK. I have found a christening of an John PIERCE 30th Jan 1785 at Clapton in Gordano s/o William & Anne. According to census and burial records the Ann PEARCE who married Samuel STOKES was born about 1794. There is a Nancy PIERCE christened at Clapton 23rd June 1793 d/o William & Ann - Could she be the Ann PEARCE I'm looking for? In which case her marriage to Samuel STOKES was witnessed by her brother & his wife. As Ann PEARCE was originally married to John THOMAS I've now got to find out whether he was related to Martha THOMAS who married John PEARCE. So now I'm looking at the marriage in 1784 of William PEARCE and Ann WILKINS. I think there's a little more work here to be done! Just to add to the problem Samuel STOKES's first marriage was to an Elizabeth PEATES - now that's another can of worms - could PEATES be another version of PEARCE? Samuel & Elizabeth were my 3 x great grandparents. Thanks for all your help Pat > > I've been looking for a an Ann PEARCE who married a John THOMAS in 1821 > and > later (as a widow) I've been told she married Samuel STOKES in 1840 again > in > Wraxall. I need to check her father's name on this last marriage and I > know > that those records are on fiche in Weston-super-Mare Library so I'll go in > there tomorrow to take a look. Then perhaps I'll be sure that I really am > looking for a William PEARCE as her father! > > Thanks for your help. > Pat > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charani" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 10:23 PM > Subject: Re: [B&D] William PEARCE & Elizabeth WHITE 1784 > > >> Pat Hase wrote: >>> I've now discovered that there was another William PEARCE marriage >>> in Wraxall ( and yes Roy it is the one in North Somerset that I'm >>> interested in) in 1784 - a William PEARCE married an Ann WILKINS >>> 12th April 1784 which has confused me somewhat. >> >> Could William have married Ann and lost her to illness, accident or in >> childbirth with him then marrying Elizabeth in almost indecent haste, >> unless he had a baby he needed a mother for. >> >> -- >> Charani (UK) >> OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM >> Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM >> http://wsom-opc.org.uk >> http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you Tony, You have probably given me the clues I needed. My Sarah Waters was born in about 1815 - SOMEWHERE, to John & Martha WATERS (she thought Abergavenny.) The fact they have an abode and John has an occupation in 1820, doesn't sound as though they just popped back to baptise a 4/5 yr old child; and apparently IGI has transcribed date correctly. Thanks for taking the trouble. Kind regards, Dawn (Tasmania)

Dear Charani, Thanks for taking the time to look up that birth - looks like I just bounced off another brick wall! Thanks anyway. Kind regards, Dawn (Tasmania)

Hello Listers, The IGI shows a Christening for SARAH WATERS in Bristol (no church named) on January 30, 1820 - parents John & Martha. Could somebody with Parish Registers please check if there is any additional info for that entry eg: Mother's maiden name, child's birthdate. I am searching a John & Martha WATERS, with daughter Sarah who relocated to Wales. Any assistance sincerely appreciated. Kind regards, Dawn (Tasmania)

Hi Dawn BAFHS Bristol Baptismal Index shows that baptism took place at St Philip and St Jacob, abode of parents was St Philip and John's occupation was gardener. No further information. Regards Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "D & H Stanton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 9:05 PM Subject: [B&D] SARAH WATERS, BRISTOL 1820 > Hello Listers, > > The IGI shows a Christening for SARAH WATERS in Bristol (no church named) > on January 30, 1820 - parents John & Martha. Could somebody with Parish > Registers please check if there is any additional info for that entry eg: > Mother's maiden name, child's birthdate. I am searching a John & Martha > WATERS, with daughter Sarah who relocated to Wales. Any assistance > sincerely > appreciated. > Kind regards, > Dawn (Tasmania) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Charani, Yes, I wondered that as well but there was a christening of a Sarah d/o William & Ann PEARCE April 1st 1798 and an Elizabeth in 1801 so that put that theory out of court providing it's the same William & Ann! I've been looking for a an Ann PEARCE who married a John THOMAS in 1821 and later (as a widow) I've been told she married Samuel STOKES in 1840 again in Wraxall. I need to check her father's name on this last marriage and I know that those records are on fiche in Weston-super-Mare Library so I'll go in there tomorrow to take a look. Then perhaps I'll be sure that I really am looking for a William PEARCE as her father! Thanks for your help. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [B&D] William PEARCE & Elizabeth WHITE 1784 > Pat Hase wrote: >> I've now discovered that there was another William PEARCE marriage >> in Wraxall ( and yes Roy it is the one in North Somerset that I'm >> interested in) in 1784 - a William PEARCE married an Ann WILKINS >> 12th April 1784 which has confused me somewhat. > > Could William have married Ann and lost her to illness, accident or in > childbirth with him then marrying Elizabeth in almost indecent haste, > unless he had a baby he needed a mother for. > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM > Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Every so often I return to look at my LONG ancestors in Bitton to try to find the parents of Robert LONG who married Hester PRIGG in 1767. A Robert LONG married Mary LACY - 12th April 1730 at St Mary's Bitton. Could they be his parents? I can find christenings for a Thomas LONG 6 Feb 1731/2 at Hanham & Oldland Mary LONG 10 Oct 1736 at Hanham & Oldland James LONG 7 Oct 1739 at Hanham & Oldland But no son called Robert. Have I missed him somewhere? Thanks for looking Pat

Pat Hase wrote: > I've now discovered that there was another William PEARCE marriage > in Wraxall ( and yes Roy it is the one in North Somerset that I'm > interested in) in 1784 - a William PEARCE married an Ann WILKINS > 12th April 1784 which has confused me somewhat. Could William have married Ann and lost her to illness, accident or in childbirth with him then marrying Elizabeth in almost indecent haste, unless he had a baby he needed a mother for. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

D & H Stanton wrote: > Hello Listers, > > The IGI shows a Christening for SARAH WATERS in Bristol (no church named) > on January 30, 1820 - parents John & Martha. Could somebody with Parish > Registers please check if there is any additional info for that entry eg: > Mother's maiden name, child's birthdate. I am searching a John & Martha > WATERS, with daughter Sarah who relocated to Wales. Any assistance sincerely > appreciated. There's no additional information given other than the family lived in St Philip's in the parish of SS Philip & Joseph. The Bristol & Avon Family History Society (www.bafhs.org.uk/) have published a very handy series of CDs from which the above came. It's very rare for the mother's maiden name to be given. I've only seen it once in a Somerset parish and then only briefly given before the incumbent gave up. The child's DoB is only usually given if there are a number of children from the same family baptised at the same time or if the child is older than the perceived norm at baptism (first Sunday after birth) although sometimes it's only the age of the child/ren. It wasn't required information so it was purely up to the incumbent, parish clerk or whoever made up the registers. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

I'm grateful to Ian and Roy for their helpful suggestions. I've now discovered that there was another William PEARCE marriage in Wraxall ( and yes Roy it is the one in North Somerset that I'm interested in) in 1784 - a William PEARCE married an Ann WILKINS 12th April 1784 which has confused me somewhat. I'm having to go back and recheck this family before I get too involved. I may be following a red herring. Thanks for your help. I agree with your sentiments about the IGI and the lack of children between 1784 and 1803 - this all needs a re-think. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Stockdill" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [B&D] William PEARCE & Elizabeth WHITE 1784 > On 31 Oct 2010 at 0:17, Pat Hase wrote: > >> A William PEARCE married Elizabeth WHITE at Wraxall Somerset 25th Oct >> 1784 >> >> Does anyone have any children born to this couple? > > > The IGI at FamilySearch produces three children baptised to William Pearce > and > Elizabeth at Wraxall..... > > Sarah 4 Sep 1803 > Charles 26 Jan 1806 > Celia 19 Apr 1807 > > However, I must point out that these are all LDS private submissions with > no source > data given and, therefore, they are unreliable. It also seems a long time > after the > marriage for the couple to have three children - unless, of course, they > had others > elsewhere and then moved back to their home parish. > > Indeed, entering William Pearce and Elizabeth as the parents, choosing > Somerset as > the county and using 1800 +/- 20 years (do not enter anything at all in > the first name > and last name fields) produces a total of 16 entries (a couple are clearly > duplicates). > > There are, of course, two Wraxalls in Somerset but I take it the one to > which you refer > is the parish near Bristol? The other Wraxall appears to be/have been in > the parish of > Ditcheat. > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > >

On 31/10/2010 09:57, Roy Stockdill wrote: > On 31 Oct 2010 at 0:17, Pat Hase wrote: > >> A William PEARCE married Elizabeth WHITE at Wraxall Somerset 25th Oct >> 1784 >> >> Does anyone have any children born to this couple?> > The IGI at FamilySearch produces three children baptised to William Pearce and > Elizabeth at Wraxall..... > > Sarah 4 Sep 1803 > Charles 26 Jan 1806 > Celia 19 Apr 1807 Pat, My own index at http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/ian.sage suggests several sources for Wraxall transcriptions. Among these, Mary Mason has baptisms for the period you are interested in, and you'll find some interesting information there! Ian

Pat Hase wrote: > No cause of death given for the WALDRON entries although it is given for > some others. Thanks :)) Obviously nothing unusual or untowards about their demise. I wondered if there might have been an outbreak of a disease of some sort that would have prompted the incumbent or whoever made up the registers to make a note of it. I've had a family wiped out in the space of a short space of time on another line but it was post civil registration which meant I was able to get the death certs and establish the father and his children all died of different causes. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/