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Under an arrangement with FreeCEN Jim receives the census transcriptions for Somerset as they are progressively being published on FreeCEN. I send him reformatted data in spreadsheet form and he then publishes this on the OPC website. The search on the OPC website is different to that on FreeCEN allowing researchers to search the records in different ways. This means that the two research facilities complement each other. It would be a shame to lose the OPC website as it was developing into a good resource of records for researchers. As FreeCEN Coordinator I would be happy to continue the relationship that has developed between the OPC project and FreeCEN with any new coordinator. Regards Geoff Jarvis FreeCEN Coordinator Somerset (1841 - 1871) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~somtcen/ -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Charani Sent: Thursday, 25 November 2010 8:51 PM To: Nancy Frey; [email protected] Subject: Re: [B&D] Closure of Somerset Online Parish Clerk Project Nancy Frey wrote: > I agree, but I'm already up to my ears with my current volunteer > projects. Perhaps if you were to outline just what is involved in > being an OPC on any of the Lists & Groups that you belong to > someone may step forward. I know at first I was hesitant to take > on Ansford & Castle Cary until I understood what was involved, and > other than transcribing, I've not found it too much to handle. Being an OPC means transcribing all the records for a specific parish. For many it's the parish registers, BTs and census returns which are easily available no matter where in the world they are. Harder are the electoral rolls, agreements, mortgages, leases, wills, entries in the Petty and Quarter Sessions, bastardy examinations and bonds, Guardians of the Poor Account Books etc which are original documents and only available in the Heritage Centre itself. Some of these documents are available on fiche so can be purchased - if the OPC is feeling flush and sufficiently philanthropic of course :)) What Jim is talking about is co-ordinating efforts, recruiting new OPCs and running the website as well, which is rather different from actually being an OPC. There's nothing wrong with an OPC also being the co-ordinator if they've enough time and the expertise. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I can't help with what is involved in taking over from Jim - my association with the OPC Project is indirect, with my transcribing work being primarily for FreeREG. However, the two Projects have worked quite closely in recent times, sharing access to PR material for transcribing, as well as a number of transcribers. While we may have some of the same transcripts, our search facilities and purpose are different - we complement each other well though. Yvonne -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nancy Frey <snip> Perhaps if you were to outline just what is involved in being an OPC on any of the Lists & Groups that you belong to someone may step forward. I know at first I was hesitant to take on Ansford & Castle Cary until I understood what was involved, and other than transcribing, I've not found it too much to handle. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Administrator SOM OPC > The time has come for me to step away from the Somerset Online Parish > Clerk Project. My departure is bitter-sweet as I turn my attention to > matters closer to home. I would like to thank our Online Parish Clerks > and transcribers for their hard work and contributions to the project. > In the absence of a successor the project and website will close > indefinitely at the end of December. > > It is my hope that someone will be willing take over from me and keep > the project alive. If you are interested please contact me directly at: > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>

Nancy Frey wrote: > I agree, but I'm already up to my ears with my current volunteer > projects. Perhaps if you were to outline just what is involved in > being an OPC on any of the Lists & Groups that you belong to > someone may step forward. I know at first I was hesitant to take > on Ansford & Castle Cary until I understood what was involved, and > other than transcribing, I've not found it too much to handle. Being an OPC means transcribing all the records for a specific parish. For many it's the parish registers, BTs and census returns which are easily available no matter where in the world they are. Harder are the electoral rolls, agreements, mortgages, leases, wills, entries in the Petty and Quarter Sessions, bastardy examinations and bonds, Guardians of the Poor Account Books etc which are original documents and only available in the Heritage Centre itself. Some of these documents are available on fiche so can be purchased - if the OPC is feeling flush and sufficiently philanthropic of course :)) What Jim is talking about is co-ordinating efforts, recruiting new OPCs and running the website as well, which is rather different from actually being an OPC. There's nothing wrong with an OPC also being the co-ordinator if they've enough time and the expertise. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Thank you, Jim, for getting the Somerset OPC Project off the ground and running - it has come a long way in a few short years, attracting OPCs for parishes across the county. I do hope someone will volunteer to take over from you - it would be a shame to lose such a valuable resource. Yvonne Scrivener Canberra ACT Australia -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Administrator SOM OPC Sent: Wednesday, 24 November 2010 10:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [B&D] Closure of Somerset Online Parish Clerk Project The time has come for me to step away from the Somerset Online Parish Clerk Project. My departure is bitter-sweet as I turn my attention to matters closer to home. I would like to thank our Online Parish Clerks and transcribers for their hard work and contributions to the project. In the absence of a successor the project and website will close indefinitely at the end of December. It is my hope that someone will be willing take over from me and keep the project alive. If you are interested please contact me directly at: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Jim

Hi Jim & Yvonne, I agree, but I'm already up to my ears with my current volunteer projects. Perhaps if you were to outline just what is involved in being an OPC on any of the Lists & Groups that you belong to someone may step forward. I know at first I was hesitant to take on Ansford & Castle Cary until I understood what was involved, and other than transcribing, I've not found it too much to handle. Regards, Nancy Frey Newcastle, Ontario, CANADA OPC for Ansford & Castle Cary, Somerset Moderator of Yahoo! Catsash Hundred Group Moderator of Yahoo! Glaston Twelve Hides Hundred Group Moderator of Yahoo! NorthWiltshire Group Moderator of Yahoo! SouthWiltshire Group Moderator of Yahoo! WestWiltshire Group Moderator of Yahoo! FULFORD_North Devon Group Moderator of Yahoo! DAVIDGE Connections Group ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yvonne Scrivener" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [B&D] Closure of Somerset Online Parish Clerk Project > > Thank you, Jim, for getting the Somerset OPC Project off the ground and > running - it has come a long way in a few short years, attracting OPCs for > parishes across the county. > > I do hope someone will volunteer to take over from you - it would be a shame > to lose such a valuable resource. > > Yvonne Scrivener > Canberra ACT > Australia > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Administrator SOM OPC > Sent: Wednesday, 24 November 2010 10:52 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [B&D] Closure of Somerset Online Parish Clerk Project > > The time has come for me to step away from the Somerset Online Parish > Clerk Project. My departure is bitter-sweet as I turn my attention to > matters closer to home. I would like to thank our Online Parish Clerks > and transcribers for their hard work and contributions to the project. > In the absence of a successor the project and website will close > indefinitely at the end of December. > > It is my hope that someone will be willing take over from me and keep > the project alive. If you are interested please contact me directly at: > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > Jim > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Administrator SOM OPC wrote: > The time has come for me to step away from the Somerset Online Parish > Clerk Project. My departure is bitter-sweet as I turn my attention to > matters closer to home. I would like to thank our Online Parish Clerks > and transcribers for their hard work and contributions to the project. > In the absence of a successor the project and website will close > indefinitely at the end of December. > > It is my hope that someone will be willing take over from me and keep > the project alive. If you are interested please contact me directly at: > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> This is very sad news. I hope there is someone willing to take on this task. I wish you all the best for the future. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Thanks Jim for a job well done. You are appreciated. Take care now and keep in touch with the list. Regards, Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Administrator SOM OPC" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 7:52 AM Subject: [B&D] Closure of Somerset Online Parish Clerk Project The time has come for me to step away from the Somerset Online Parish Clerk Project. My departure is bitter-sweet as I turn my attention to matters closer to home. I would like to thank our Online Parish Clerks and transcribers for their hard work and contributions to the project. In the absence of a successor the project and website will close indefinitely at the end of December. It is my hope that someone will be willing take over from me and keep the project alive. If you are interested please contact me directly at: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Jim ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The time has come for me to step away from the Somerset Online Parish Clerk Project. My departure is bitter-sweet as I turn my attention to matters closer to home. I would like to thank our Online Parish Clerks and transcribers for their hard work and contributions to the project. In the absence of a successor the project and website will close indefinitely at the end of December. It is my hope that someone will be willing take over from me and keep the project alive. If you are interested please contact me directly at: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Jim

Just received -------- Original Message -------- Subject: FFHS-NEWS Fwd: Rookwood burial records now online at findmypast.co.uk Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 15:24:12 EST From: News from the Federation of Family History Societies Sent by David Smetham Communications Officer FFHS ____________________________________ From: [email protected] Rookwood burial records now available at findmypast.co.uk . Over 233,000 burial records available to search online . It's now easier to research Australian ancestors . Records include former NSW Premier John Lang, who opened Sydney Harbour Bridge, and Peter Dodds McCormick, who wrote Advance Australia Fair Family history website www.findmypast.co.uk has published online for the first time burial records from Rookwood Cemetery, working in partnership with the Society of Australian Genealogists. Between 1981 and 1992 members of the Society of Australian Genealogists painstakingly transcribed inscriptions from headstones in Rookwood Cemetery - the final resting place for over 600,000 Australians, located in Sydney's west. The transcriptions that resulted from that mammoth 11 year project, containing 233,160 names, have now gone online for the first time at findmypast.co.uk, so that anyone around the world can search for their Australian ancestors from the comfort of their own home. It is possible to search the records by surname, forename, inscription or year of death, and each entry shows the complete transcription and grave location. The oldest graves in Rookwood Cemetery date back to 1867, and today it is one of the largest cemeteries in the whole of the Southern Hemisphere. It is therefore likely that many Australians would have a relative whose resting place is within Rookwood's gates and will be able to find their record in the new online database. The online records cover dates of death over the period 1798 to 1999. [...] Since it was opened in 1867, Rookwood has remained Sydney's most important cemetery with more than a million burials believed to have taken place there. Headstones provide vital clues for genealogists, often revealing far more than just name, age and date of death. Place of origin, religion, occupation and family relationships can all be revealed through headstone inscriptions. We'd expect many new research leads to be discovered through the availability of this material online through findmypast." [...] The new records can be found within the Parish Record Collection at www.findmypast.co.uk and are part of a much larger ongoing project with the Federation of Family History Societies to put millions of parish records online. These records are also available through findmypast.com.au, the Australia-based sister site of findmypast.co.uk. ~Ends~ -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

A little while ago I was searching for information about George SAGE. There was a suspicion he'd married twice. He did. His first wife was Eliza (or Elizabeth) NOTTING (about whom I can find nothing more at the moment. His second wife was Selina EDWARDS. They neatly named their son Edward. However, I have still not been able to find out anythng more about their son, John. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

PETE BARKER wrote: > Hi Charani, > > Just a thought on your puzzle, could they have been Quakers or another > religious sect that weren't to good at having their marriages recorded. > We have a similar situation marriage wise in Cumberland, can't find it > anywhere. Some of them were Primitive Methodists. The registers may not have survived or are being hung onto. > Just curious, what is the unusual name of the Grandson, we have quite a > collection of unusual names. It's MASKREY. The lad was born in Yorkshire so well out of area. Not a name I've come across before and there are several spellings of it as well. I'm going to get the birth cert to see where that leads but in the meantime have a quick look at the censuses either side to see if there are any clues. I just find it incredible the couple managed to hide 16 children from the censuses so many times. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

[email protected] wrote: > Well Charani, this will keep you looking for a long time I am thinking! My > only suggestion would be that the children were farmed out to a relative, > or put in work very young, but that is like looking for a needle in a > haystack! I think you think right there! <G> It's possible some of them were either farmed out, working or serving an apprenticeship as the father did. Needles and haystacks had occurred to me as well :)) > Good luck I think we're going to need it. I hope she'll be a lady ;)) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Hi Charani, Just a thought on your puzzle, could they have been Quakers or another religious sect that weren't to good at having their marriages recorded. We have a similar situation marriage wise in Cumberland, can't find it anywhere. Just curious, what is the unusual name of the Grandson, we have quite a collection of unusual names. Regards Pete.

ELIZABETH NEWBERY wrote: > Very likely some of those children were born and died between > censuses...it happened regularly and it's only when you get to 1911 > that you find that out. There's no doubt that accounts for several of them. I wasn't sure this couple were actually going to make it to the 1911 since they were both born in the early 1830s. The 1881 census is the only one I can't find him in at the moment. > Presumably you have the marriage date of the family who had 16 > children? I haven't been able to find it so far. The husband had a fairly unusual given name and I've searched just on that but found nothing apart from a marriage in 1848 at a time when he was still an apprentice and still living with his family by whom he's given as single. He claims to have been married 38 years in 1911 so married 1873(ish). In 1861 he says he was married to the lady he was living with then. Later in life he moved around a fair bit, winding up in Yorkshire where he died in 1913 > Have you looked to see if there were children farmed out to > extended members of the family. None that I've found so far but with him having a number of brothers it wouldn't easy to spot a stray child if s/he was put down as a son or dau by the enumerator instead of niece or nephew. There are no obvious strays in this family after 1836. > That often happened as people just couldn't afford to keep them. 10+ children weren't unusual in this family. The chap concerned was one of 14 (I think). I'm steadily working through all of them to see if any of the sisters had a stray with her maiden name living with her family. > Best wishes to you all from an overcast day in Peregian Beach, > Sunshine Coast of Australia!! And to you from a very sunny South West corner of England which is hopefully drying out a very zoggy Cornwall. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/ -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Well Charani, this will keep you looking for a long time I am thinking! My only suggestion would be that the children were farmed out to a relative, or put in work very young, but that is like looking for a needle in a haystack! Good luck, Cathy

Very likely some of those children were born and died between censuses...it happened regularly and it's only when you get to 1911 that you find that out. Presumably you have the marriage date of the family who had 16 children? Have you looked to see if there were children farmed out to extended members of the family. That often happened as people just couldn't afford to keep them. Best wishes to you all from an overcast day in Peregian Beach, Sunshine Coast of Australia!! Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery --- On Thu, 18/11/10, Charani <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Charani <[email protected]> > Subject: [B&D] How did he manage it? > To: "B+D List" <[email protected]> > Date: Thursday, 18 November, 2010, 23:33 > I've just been tidying up one of my > lines and have found someone who > appears in the 1841 census as a 7 year old living with his > parents and >   in the 1851 still with his parents. > > In 1861 he's married but with no children.  In 1871, > 1891, 1901 and > 1911 he's still married to someone who seems clueless as to > where she > was born but with no children.

I've just been tidying up one of my lines and have found someone who appears in the 1841 census as a 7 year old living with his parents and in the 1851 still with his parents. In 1861 he's married but with no children. In 1871, 1891, 1901 and 1911 he's still married to someone who seems clueless as to where she was born but with no children. Yet in 1891, he and his wife had a 6 year old grandson with them and in 1901 they has a different have a different grandson with them. In the 1911, he says they had no less than *16* children and only 4 of them are still living. It's definitely the same couple. Question is: how the heck did he manage 5 censuses apparently without having any children with them? I can't even find a marriage for the parents of one of the grandsons who has a fairly unusual surname. The other one is a non starter, both given name and surname are too common. Living in sin seems to be a family trait because I've been unable to find this chap's parents marriage either!! -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Jim, Thank you very much for the information sent directly. I have a feeling I've seen some of it before - can you tell me its source? Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim goodman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [B&D] HARDING Family in Bitton > in Bitton and other areas the HARDING name is all around > in the church yard on tombs it says > > likely relatives > > Roger HARDING yeoman died nov 13 1718 > Roger son of Roger and Martha may 1710 > Martha later married Harrington DAVIS she died 1746 age 65 > > i will send a page > > jim > On 17-Nov-10, at 3:48 AM, Pat Hase wrote: > >> My 4 x great grandparents were Edward HARDING and Mary HARRIS who were >> married in Bitton 25th Oct 1773. But who were their parents and >> when did >> they die? >> >> There are 2 burials of a Mary HARDING in Bitton >> 28th Oct 1832 Mary HARDING aged 85 >> 7th April 1833 Mary HARDING aged 83 >> >> Either might be mine - does anyone else claim them? >> >> Pat >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My 4 x great grandparents were Edward HARDING and Mary HARRIS who were married in Bitton 25th Oct 1773. But who were their parents and when did they die? There are 2 burials of a Mary HARDING in Bitton 28th Oct 1832 Mary HARDING aged 85 7th April 1833 Mary HARDING aged 83 Either might be mine - does anyone else claim them? Pat