Hi Tricia Well, I've made it back to Penzance...it's not as warm as the Emirates, Singapore, New Zealand or Australis...but, it's home. Most of you will know that I've been on a very long trek and I've met at least 38 members of my distant tree during my journey including the latest member of my family aged 4 months and living in Dubai. Many thanks to everyone for your good wishes. The M5 was quite clear and the temperature rose from -6 to +5. It was still freezing when I passed through Bristol. Now back to research: I've just checked my tree. I have some Quakers - PETVINS from Street and they were confectioners and bakers and one branch moved up to Bedminster. Another moved to Hull, Yorkshire. Well, it was the female PETVINs and they were married. There are some quaker records in the Bristol Record Office but I found that most of these refer to the Frenchay area. Have you checked the Bristol Baptism Records transcribed by the Bristol Family History Society? Under normal circumstances I would look up for you (they have some good early records) but I donated my CDs to a very good kind member of our list while I was "down under" as they can't place an order using credit cards and I haven't had time to replace my copies yet. Please can someone look these people for Tricia. Cheers Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset --- On Mon, 6/12/10, Tricia <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Tricia <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [B&D] Quakers etc > To: [email protected] > Date: Monday, 6 December, 2010, 15:41 > Hello Liz, very kind of you to offer > some help. > > The people in question are: > Robert Chambers BALL bc 1785, in 1851 he was living in > Eugene Lane, Temple, > Bristol with daughters, Sarah Ingram BALL and Eliza Amelia > BALL and his > occupation was a confectioner. By 1871 Sarah was living > with her nephew in > Lower Lamb Lane, Bristol and her occupation was a > shopkeeper. >

Many thanks for that Reg, a little earlier than my ancestors but it may help in the background to their beginnings so I will look out those books Tricia -----Original Message----- From: RJ Harris Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 2:36 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [B&D] Quakers etc On 05/12/2010 11:05, Tricia wrote: > Can any lister tell me if or how I could find out whether a > Bristol/Gloucestershire ancestor was a Quaker? There are two books, published by the Bristol Record Society, of transcripts and biiographical details of the Quaker Bristol Mens Meeting from 1667 to 1704 if that is in the time line you are interested in......Reg Harris

Hello Liz, very kind of you to offer some help. The people in question are: Robert Chambers BALL bc 1785, in 1851 he was living in Eugene Lane, Temple, Bristol with daughters, Sarah Ingram BALL and Eliza Amelia BALL and his occupation was a confectioner. By 1871 Sarah was living with her nephew in Lower Lamb Lane, Bristol and her occupation was a shopkeeper. Then there is Joseph JAMES bc 1799, in 1841 he was in Union Place, Bristol and was a confectioner. By 1851 he was living in South Place, Bristol and now a foreman @ confectioner's, by 1871 he was in Trafalgar St, Bristol and a retired confectioner Joseph had a son Joseph b 1826 in Bedminster, who was a confectioner's apprentice in 1851 but sadly he died aged 23. Another son John Edward JAMES b 1829 also in Bedminster who married Eliza Amelia BALL in 1851 in Bristol and his marriage certificate says he was a confectioner, but shortly after their marriage they moved to Cardiff where John became a painter (rather a drastic change of profession don't you think?) Any ideas as to where I might look for help on the Quaker angle would also be appreciated. Living in the West Country myself I am sure that once you hit the M5 you will have no problem getting home to Cornwall - it is very cold but dry. Tricia -----Original Message----- From: ELIZABETH NEWBERY Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 8:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [B&D] Quakers etc Hi Tricia You don't mention when your family were in the area. Several of us have access to Trade Directories but we would need an idea of when they were around as Directories are for specific years. Just in case some of you are wondering if I'm home from my travels yet??? I flew into Birmingham last night and am in cold Brum at the moment. Fingers crossed I just might drive home to Cornwall tomorrow. Best wishes to you all. Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset --- On Sun, 5/12/10, Tricia <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Tricia <[email protected]> > Subject: [B&D] Quakers etc > To: [email protected] > Date: Sunday, 5 December, 2010, 11:05 > Can any lister tell me if or > how I could find out whether a > Bristol/Gloucestershire ancestor was a Quaker? > > Also I know that confectionery was a Quaker trade, would > there be anywhere I > could find some sort of directory where these ancestors may > be listed? I > have looked in various Trade Directories but have yet to > find confectioners > (or bakers doing confectionery in Bristol). > > I appreciate they may also be bakers but wouldn’t census > and various > certificates say 'bakers' as opposed to 'confectioners' if > they were both as > confectionery appears to be a side line of only SOME > bakers. > > Many thanks for any ideas > > Tricia > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 05/12/2010 11:05, Tricia wrote: > Can any lister tell me if or how I could find out whether a > Bristol/Gloucestershire ancestor was a Quaker? There are two books, published by the Bristol Record Society, of transcripts and biiographical details of the Quaker Bristol Mens Meeting from 1667 to 1704 if that is in the time line you are interested in......Reg Harris > Also I know that confectionery was a Quaker trade, would there be anywhere I > could find some sort of directory where these ancestors may be listed? I > have looked in various Trade Directories but have yet to find confectioners > (or bakers doing confectionery in Bristol). > > I appreciate they may also be bakers but wouldn’t census and various > certificates say 'bakers' as opposed to 'confectioners' if they were both as > confectionery appears to be a side line of only SOME bakers. > > Many thanks for any ideas > > Tricia > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3297 - Release Date: 12/04/10

Welcome back Liz, and have a safe drive home!! Margaret (in Israel, where it just started raining.) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of ELIZABETH NEWBERY Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 10:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [B&D] Quakers etc Hi Tricia You don't mention when your family were in the area. Several of us have access to Trade Directories but we would need an idea of when they were around as Directories are for specific years. Just in case some of you are wondering if I'm home from my travels yet??? I flew into Birmingham last night and am in cold Brum at the moment. Fingers crossed I just might drive home to Cornwall tomorrow. Best wishes to you all. Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset --- On Sun, 5/12/10, Tricia <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Tricia <[email protected]> > Subject: [B&D] Quakers etc > To: [email protected] > Date: Sunday, 5 December, 2010, 11:05 > Can any lister tell me if or > how I could find out whether a > Bristol/Gloucestershire ancestor was a Quaker? > > Also I know that confectionery was a Quaker trade, would > there be anywhere I > could find some sort of directory where these ancestors may > be listed? I > have looked in various Trade Directories but have yet to > find confectioners > (or bakers doing confectionery in Bristol). > > I appreciate they may also be bakers but wouldn’t census > and various > certificates say 'bakers' as opposed to 'confectioners' if > they were both as > confectionery appears to be a side line of only SOME > bakers. > > Many thanks for any ideas > > Tricia > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

well done Liz. Peter On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 9:26 AM, ELIZABETH NEWBERY <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Tricia > > You don't mention when your family were in the area.  Several of us have access to Trade Directories but we would need an idea of when they were around as Directories are for specific years. > > Just in case some of you are wondering if I'm home from my travels yet??? I flew into Birmingham last night and am in cold Brum at the moment. Fingers crossed I just might drive home to Cornwall tomorrow. > > Best wishes to you all. > Liz > www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery > OPC for Street, Somerset > > > --- On Sun, 5/12/10, Tricia <[email protected]> wrote: > >> From: Tricia <[email protected]> >> Subject: [B&D] Quakers etc >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Sunday, 5 December, 2010, 11:05 >> Can any lister tell me  if or >> how I could find out whether a >> Bristol/Gloucestershire ancestor was a Quaker? >> >> Also I know that confectionery was a Quaker trade, would >> there be anywhere I >> could find some sort of directory where these ancestors may >> be listed?  I >> have looked in various Trade Directories but have yet to >> find confectioners >> (or bakers doing confectionery in Bristol). >> >> I appreciate they may also be bakers but wouldn’t census >> and various >> certificates say 'bakers' as opposed to 'confectioners' if >> they were both as >> confectionery appears to be a side line of only SOME >> bakers. >> >> Many thanks for any ideas >> >> Tricia >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >> subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

ELIZABETH NEWBERY wrote: > Just in case some of you are wondering if I'm home from my travels > yet??? I flew into Birmingham last night and am in cold Brum at the > moment. Fingers crossed I just might drive home to Cornwall > tomorrow. Good to have you almost home :)) Watch out for the black ice though. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Hi Tricia You don't mention when your family were in the area. Several of us have access to Trade Directories but we would need an idea of when they were around as Directories are for specific years. Just in case some of you are wondering if I'm home from my travels yet??? I flew into Birmingham last night and am in cold Brum at the moment. Fingers crossed I just might drive home to Cornwall tomorrow. Best wishes to you all. Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset --- On Sun, 5/12/10, Tricia <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Tricia <[email protected]> > Subject: [B&D] Quakers etc > To: [email protected] > Date: Sunday, 5 December, 2010, 11:05 > Can any lister tell me  if or > how I could find out whether a > Bristol/Gloucestershire ancestor was a Quaker? > > Also I know that confectionery was a Quaker trade, would > there be anywhere I > could find some sort of directory where these ancestors may > be listed?  I > have looked in various Trade Directories but have yet to > find confectioners > (or bakers doing confectionery in Bristol). > > I appreciate they may also be bakers but wouldn’t census > and various > certificates say 'bakers' as opposed to 'confectioners' if > they were both as > confectionery appears to be a side line of only SOME > bakers. > > Many thanks for any ideas > > Tricia > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message

Liz, Glad that you are back in the UK. Hope you make it back to Cornwall safely, Cathy

Margaret Hayon wrote: > Do you have death certificates giving Cause of death? No, not as yet. They are on my Christmas list so I'll have to wait and see. They could be interesting given one suggestion I've had off list. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Can any lister tell me if or how I could find out whether a Bristol/Gloucestershire ancestor was a Quaker? Also I know that confectionery was a Quaker trade, would there be anywhere I could find some sort of directory where these ancestors may be listed? I have looked in various Trade Directories but have yet to find confectioners (or bakers doing confectionery in Bristol). I appreciate they may also be bakers but wouldn’t census and various certificates say 'bakers' as opposed to 'confectioners' if they were both as confectionery appears to be a side line of only SOME bakers. Many thanks for any ideas Tricia

Do you have death certificates giving Cause of death? Margaret -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Charani Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 1:48 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [B&D] Medical question liverpud wrote: > What sad cases. Perhaps one was crippled at birth. and the other two > were in an accident, or had rickets. Doesn't seem reasonable that these > were all heredity. > > Very strange. It is strange, that's why I wondered if there was an hereditary cause. I haven't ruled out the possibility of accidents or dietary factors. The brothers also had a much younger sister (b1861) who died age 67 but who wasn't crippled. Nor were any of her children. I suspect she had a different father. All four children were illegitimate. Their mother died in 1867, age 54, leaving the eldest two brothers to bring up their little sister. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ NOD32 5669 (20101203) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com

Marion wrote: > There are many likely diseases such as X-linked spastic paraplegia > which is inherited through the mother's genes and primarily affects > her sons. That particular disorder causes variable degrees of > paralysis of the legs which can affect the child from birth or become > apparent later. Girls in the same family might be affected very mildly > or not at all, and would have a 50% chance of being carriers > themselves. Thank you :)) I'll have to have a closer look at the mother's siblings (of which there were many but not all survived to adulthood). Unfortunately they were all born pre Civil Registration. The sister was unaffected and didn't pass on whatever condition it was, which is why I suspected the father rather than the mother. This is one instance where I really could do with knowing who the father/s of the children was/were. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Joy Hungerford wrote: > You may get an informed answer from the Rootsweb Medical list. I > had some very interesting replies when I was investigating the > likelihood of two Deaf and Dumb people in the same village being > related. Thank you for that suggestion. I'll give that a try and see what responses I get :)) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

There are many likely diseases such as X-linked spastic paraplegia which is inherited through the mother's genes and primarily affects her sons. That particular disorder causes variable degrees of paralysis of the legs which can affect the child from birth or become apparent later. Girls in the same family might be affected very mildly or not at all, and would have a 50% chance of being carriers themselves. Marion On 4 December 2010 00:46, Charani <[email protected]> wrote: > There are three brothers on one of my lines who are all given as being > crippled.  They were born between 1838 and 1844, all illegitimate but > I think with the same father.  None of them married.  None of them had > skilled jobs.   They're given as labourers.  The middle brother was > noted as being crippled from birth. > > They died aged 68, 33 and 33.  I don't have any death certs as yet but > I'm wondering what kind of condition the three boys had, perhaps > hereditary. > > Anyone any ideas/thoughts? > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM > Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/ >

liverpud wrote: > What sad cases. Perhaps one was crippled at birth. and the other two > were in an accident, or had rickets. Doesn't seem reasonable that these > were all heredity. > > Very strange. It is strange, that's why I wondered if there was an hereditary cause. I haven't ruled out the possibility of accidents or dietary factors. The brothers also had a much younger sister (b1861) who died age 67 but who wasn't crippled. Nor were any of her children. I suspect she had a different father. All four children were illegitimate. Their mother died in 1867, age 54, leaving the eldest two brothers to bring up their little sister. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

You may get an informed answer from the Rootsweb Medical list. I had some very interesting replieswhen I was investigating the likelihood of two Deaf and Dumb people in the same village being related. Kind regards Joy  > Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 00:46:41 +0000 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [B&D] Medical question > > There are three brothers on one of my lines who are all given as being > crippled. They were born between 1838 and 1844, all illegitimate but > I think with the same father. None of them married. None of them had > skilled jobs. They're given as labourers. The middle brother was > noted as being crippled from birth. > > They died aged 68, 33 and 33. I don't have any death certs as yet but > I'm wondering what kind of condition the three boys had, perhaps > hereditary. > > Anyone any ideas/thoughts? > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM > Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There are three brothers on one of my lines who are all given as being crippled. They were born between 1838 and 1844, all illegitimate but I think with the same father. None of them married. None of them had skilled jobs. They're given as labourers. The middle brother was noted as being crippled from birth. They died aged 68, 33 and 33. I don't have any death certs as yet but I'm wondering what kind of condition the three boys had, perhaps hereditary. Anyone any ideas/thoughts? -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

What sad cases. Perhaps one was crippled at birth. and the other two were in an accident, or had rickets. Doesn't seem reasonable that these were all heredity. Very strange. Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <[email protected]> To: "B+D List" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 7:46 PM Subject: [B&D] Medical question There are three brothers on one of my lines who are all given as being crippled. They were born between 1838 and 1844, all illegitimate but I think with the same father. None of them married. None of them had skilled jobs. They're given as labourers. The middle brother was noted as being crippled from birth. They died aged 68, 33 and 33. I don't have any death certs as yet but I'm wondering what kind of condition the three boys had, perhaps hereditary. Anyone any ideas/thoughts? -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Something anyone with a Twitter account might be interested in getting involved with. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: FFHS-NEWS The National Archives calls for volunteers on Twitter Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 16:35:50 -0000 From: News from the Federation of Family History Societies The following was issued by The National Archives: Throughout 2010, The National Archives has been bringing the historic events of 1940 to life, tweeting them 70 years to the minute that they occurred via twitter.com/ukwarcabinet. Now, we are asking for volunteers from our thousands of online followers to take over the project next year. Each tweet links through to an original document which is available online, allowing people to seek out more detail from the government papers. So far this year, we have tweeted developments from Chamberlain's government, Churchill's dramatic rise to power, the loss of France and the 'miracle' of Dunkirk, the Battle of Britain and the London Blitz. To encourage greater interaction with our historical documents, followers are now being invited to participate in the running of the feed. From January onwards, participants can research and tweet extracts from the 1941 cabinet papers, sending 'live' updates direct to a worldwide audience on the key developments during that year including: Allied victories in North Africa, the sinking of the Bismarck and the attack on Pearl Harbour. Interested participants can apply via UK War Cabinet twitter feed. How to get involved If you want to get involved, send a tweet from your twitter account to tell us you are interested to @ukwarcabinet. Roger Lewry FFHS Archives Liaison -------- Original Message ends -------- -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/