Elizabeth HURLOW married Daniel KINGSTON on 07 May 1826 at St James, Bristol. Daniel came from Chew Magna and that's where they lived so I am assuming that Elizabeth probably came from that area. Daniel was an Ag Lab in 1841. Elizabeth died 03 Jan 1869 and Daniel died 10 Sep 1872. I feel sure this should be an easy one! Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset

Hi Charani The Tiverton Museum is manned by volunteers who are extremely helpful. Unfortunately they are closed from Christmas to early February. Whether that also includes the Family History section, I'm not sure. I have a leaflet that I picked up while I was there at the end of September and it says that Family History research facilities are available in the Museum library Monday (except Bank Holidays) 2 - 4.30pm. That seems a bit odd to me as we went on a Wednesday! Ah, further down it says they are open on Wednesdays 10.30am - 4.30pm so that solves that one. They do ask you to book in advance as they have a very small room - that's if you are going. You have to pay to enter the museum which includes the library. I made a good donation to the Record Office there as I was very grateful for the constant help they have given me. They hold the parish registers for a very wide area of Devon including, of course, Tiverton. They also have Non-conformist Baptism Registered for Tiverton Wesleyan and the Tiverton and Bampton Bible Christian/United Methodist Circuits. Photocopies of the Tiverton Wesleyan Chapel Burial Register and the Sampford Peverell Wesleyan Chapel Burial Register. Society of Friends records for Devon East Division and Exeter. Tiverton Register Office Marriage Notice Books 1837 - 1939. Lots of local newspapers and the Logbooks for John Heathcoat lace manufacturers. I was in touch with them many moons ago about people who worked there and they were extremely helpful. If you request information by internet, they do ask you to make a contribution to the Tiverton and Mid-Devon Museum Trust for at least the cost of what your admission would have been...I think that's extremely fair. They can be contacted at [email protected] and their web site is www.tivertonmuseum.org.uk Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <[email protected]> To: "B+D List" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 11:05 AM Subject: [B&D] Home for Christmas: PONSFORD and PARKER > It's time to call any strayed, lost or errant ancestors home for > Christmas, they don't have to be local to the list. There's space at > our table for everyone and food aplenty - despite a whole 5 inches of > snow here which is 5 inches more than we'd normally get :)) Ancestors > can be called home from now until Boxing Day (26 Dec). > > Someone long missing and who I'd love to have home for Christmas is > James PONSFORD allegedly born Tiverton around 1828. He was also known > at various times as James William and William James. > > Also John PARKER of Newhall Derbys who was born around 1800 so I can > ask him about his parents, siblings and grandparents and also when he > married Catherine CHEATLE, if he actually did. I'd also like to know > if he is the same John PARKER who married Catherine SWAN in 1819 in > Loughborough. > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM > Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Like this Edna, thank you Cathy

Hi, Someone put Thomas Worth (c1785- Nov 1810) on my tree. Still trying to find out whether this Thomas was the child of my third great-grandfather (Charles Olliver Worth 1749-1800). Thomas Worth was killed at the Battle of Cadiz. He and John Buckland were killed by the same shot and both buried together at Gibraltar. There is a monument there to honour them. They were serving in the Royal Marines and I have a lot of information about the battle but cannot locate the parents of Thomas Worth. Would be nice to know if he is mine and to bring him "home" to Bristol. Edna - Ottawa

from Edna ~ Ottawa ------------------------------- The Genealogist's Psalm Genealogy is my pastime, I shall not stray; It maketh me to lie down and examine half-buried tombstones. It leadeth me into still Court Houses, it restoreth my ancestral knowledge. It leadeth me in paths of census records and ships' passenger lists for my surname's sake. Yea, though I walk through the shadows of research libraries and microfilm readers, I shall fear no discouragement; for a strong urge is within me; the curiosity and motivation they comfort me. It demandeth preparation of storage space for the acquisition of countless documents; it anointest my head with burning midnight oil, my family group sheets runneth over. Surely birth, marriage, and death dates shall follow me all the days of my life; and I shall dwell in the house of a family-history seeker for ever. --Wildamae Brestal

from Edna - Ottawa --- THE LIGHTER SIDE OF LIFE: Genealogist's Pox WARNING: Very contagious to adults. SYMPTOMS: Continual complaint as to need for names, dates, and places. Patient has a blank expression, sometimes deaf to spouse and children. Has no taste for work of any kind, except feverishly looking through records at libraries and courthouses. Has compulsion to write letters. Swears at mailman when he doesn't leave mail. Frequents places such as cemeteries; ruins; and remote, desolate country areas. Makes secr Insomnia - Patient cannot sleep due to building 'mental' trees and trying to 'dream up' ways to fill the branches with records of family. Obsessive/Compulsive orginizing of papers, records and photoset night calls, hides phone bills from spouse, and mumbles to self. Has a strange, faraway look in eyes. NO KNOWN CURE. TREATMENT: Medication is useless. Disease is not fatal, but gets progressively worse. Patient should attend genealogy workshops, subscribe to genealogical magazines, and be given a quiet corner in the house where he or she can be alone. REMARKS: The unusual nature of this disease is -- the sicker the patient gets, the more he or she enjoys it! --Author Unknown

It's time to call any strayed, lost or errant ancestors home for Christmas, they don't have to be local to the list. There's space at our table for everyone and food aplenty - despite a whole 5 inches of snow here which is 5 inches more than we'd normally get :)) Ancestors can be called home from now until Boxing Day (26 Dec). Someone long missing and who I'd love to have home for Christmas is James PONSFORD allegedly born Tiverton around 1828. He was also known at various times as James William and William James. Also John PARKER of Newhall Derbys who was born around 1800 so I can ask him about his parents, siblings and grandparents and also when he married Catherine CHEATLE, if he actually did. I'd also like to know if he is the same John PARKER who married Catherine SWAN in 1819 in Loughborough. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Thanks for trying for me Charani. Unfortunately I don't think any of them are going to be suitable. James was firstly a labourer and then a potter and the Christian names don't seem to match up apart from James and Frances but I have no girls called Frances. Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [B&D] James COOK abt.1812 > Liz wrote: > >> I'm looking for a baptism of a James COOK who was born in Bristol around >> 1812. > > These are the ones I've found: > > James COOKE s of Richard and Ann bapt 13 Sept 1813 St Thomas. Richard > was a shipwright.

Liz wrote: > I'm looking for a baptism of a James COOK who was born in Bristol around > 1812. These are the ones I've found: James COOKE s of Richard and Ann bapt 13 Sept 1813 St Thomas. Richard was a shipwright. James COOK s of James and Frances bapt 14 Oct 1808 St Nicholas James COOK s of Charles and Hannah bapt 26 Nov 1809 Temple James COOKE s of John and Elizabeth bapt 21 June 1812 Henbury -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Yes, it can be *very* useful as the relationship of the executor to the deceased is often stated, and their address and occupation. Marion On 20 December 2010 08:09, ELIZABETH NEWBERY <[email protected]>wrote: > If you have Ancestry.com you can look at the amount that they left and who > was the Executor. > Liz > >

Hi everyone I'm looking for a baptism of a James COOK who was born in Bristol around 1812. I gave away my Baptismal CDs when I was in New Zealand to one of our listers because they can't use Credit Cards to order and I haven't yet had time to order new ones for myself. So, any sightings of this James COOK would be puck appreciated. He was married at St John's, Bedminster, Bristol on 17 Mar 1833 to Sarah HOSKINS also born in Bristol, Somerset (so might be Bedminster). Sarah was born c.1813. Their children's names were: Sarah Ann, Elizabeth, Thomas, Emma, Rosina and Jane Alice. Births between 1834 and 1848 - I have all their baptisms but I thought their names might be helpful in serching for the names of their grandparents. Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset

Use as a guide: http://www.bmdregisters.co.uk/ (;-)) Edna - Ottawa

If you have Ancestry.com you can look at the amount that they left and who was the Executor. Liz --- On Sun, 19/12/10, Marion <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Marion <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [B&D] Divorce, bigamy or annulment? early 20th Century > To: [email protected] > Date: Sunday, 19 December, 2010, 20:23 > Had a look at Ancestry.  The 3 > probates are all relations of this family: > > 1.Guillaume Lucien VERRIERE, b France 1801, died Bristol > 1866 > 2.Elizabeth VERRIERE nee HULL, his 2nd wife born 1805 and > died 1876 > 3.Frederick Lucien Heatly VERRIERE, grandson of the above > Guillame, born > Woolwich 1859, died unmarried Weare, Somerset 1884 > > The inheritance must have come from elsewhere! > > One possible was Louisa (nee WATTS), 2nd wife of WH > VERRIERE, who died in > Hazel Grove, Cheshire in 1902 - although she was still > alive in the 1901 > census she may have been supporting him - or he may have > been borrowing off > the expectation of the inheritance as she was then 72! > > Marion > > > > Yes, I was interested to see that Louis was a servant > in 1881 and I agree > > with you, he must have had an inheritance.  There > are 3 Probates on > > Ancestry > > for the VERRIERE family. I can't access them because > they've changed the > > settings and you can only access them if you have > their full subscription. > > Liz > > www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery <http://www.btinternet.com/%7Ee.newbery> > > OPC for Street, Somerset > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Thank you for looking. This family seems to be like that! It doesn't help that they often use alternative first names - or appear with just initials on the census. Still, if it was easy to find them, what would be the fun? I'm getting totally confused: There's this household in 1881 Bedminster: Leah HURD, married, 35, Independent, born Deal, Kent Fred VERRIERE*, brother, married, 22, Independent, born Woolwich, Kent Annie VERRIERE, sister, single, 25, born Huntspill, Somerset *WH VERRIERE had a son Frederick Lucien, born 1859 in Woolwich. He died 1884 in Weare. Annie is the same age as "Letitia Ada" but not born in the same county. Leah's marriage doesn't seem to be on FreeBMD and I can't see her on any other census either. I think I'll just go boil my head for a while!!! Marion On 19 December 2010 21:33, Liz <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes, you're right Marion. I've had a good look for her under GREEN and > VERRIERE and there is absolutely nothing showing up. She was born 4Q 1853 > and after that she vanishes. > > Liz > www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery <http://www.btinternet.com/%7Ee.newbery> > OPC for Street, Somerset > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marion" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 8:43 PM > Subject: Re: [B&D] Divorce, bigamy or annulment? early 20th Century > > > > She's certainly a slippery customer - can't find her on any census except > > the 1901 as yet! > > > > Marion > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes, you're right Marion. I've had a good look for her under GREEN and VERRIERE and there is absolutely nothing showing up. She was born 4Q 1853 and after that she vanishes. Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marion" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [B&D] Divorce, bigamy or annulment? early 20th Century > She's certainly a slippery customer - can't find her on any census except > the 1901 as yet! > > Marion

Just as a hint for others... To find this, or another divorce, search the TNA Catalogue with "Department code "J 77" looking for a word the same as one of the participants. In this instance, you get 2 items, one of which is "J 77/926/8118". If you get to Kew, order piece "J 77/926", in which you look for case folder 8118. (Or at least, that's what I did!) The Catalogue describes J 77 thus: "Between 1858 and 1927 almost all divorce files survive. Between 1928 and 1937, the 80% of suits that were filed in the Central Registry are in J 77. The 20% of suits that were filed in the new district registries were destroyed ... After 1938, very few survive" Adrian <<snipped>> I have now found that there was a divorce between Mary and Louis in 1907, listed on the National Archives site. <<snipped>>

She's certainly a slippery customer - can't find her on any census except the 1901 as yet! Marion On 19 December 2010 20:32, Charani <[email protected]> wrote: > Marion wrote: > > It gets deeper. > > > > William Heatly VERRIERE married Jane Henrietta GREEN in 1857. However > there > > is a marriage in Lambeth in 1888 for a Letitia Ada VERRIERE who was born > > about 1855. I found Letitia in the 1901 census and it shows her > birthplace > > as Bristol, about 1854-5 > > > > Looking at birth registrations there is a Letitia Ada GREEN registered > Dec > > qtr 1853 in Clifton, the area where WH Verriere lived. Presumably an > > illegitimate daughter who was later legitimated by the marriage. > > It's more likely she simply took on name, irrespective of whether he > was actually her father or not. > > A lot of children get "lost" that way. > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM > Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

There's nothing new really, is there, every generation likes to think they invented scandal! Marion On 19 December 2010 20:29, Liz <[email protected]> wrote: > :-))) Yes, you've got that! It seemed to be the habit of the rich in > those > days more than the poor...they could afford it! I have a few solicitors > who > were regularly producing children and not marrying the mothers until after > all the children died. There was another Bristol solicitor who kept two > families at the same time. He was killed in a train crash on the Bristol > to > WSM line and left his money to his mistress so his legitimate children > really suffered while the illegitimate children became reasonably wealthy! > > Liz > www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery <http://www.btinternet.com/%7Ee.newbery> > OPC for Street, Somerset > >

Marion wrote: > It gets deeper. > > William Heatly VERRIERE married Jane Henrietta GREEN in 1857. However there > is a marriage in Lambeth in 1888 for a Letitia Ada VERRIERE who was born > about 1855. I found Letitia in the 1901 census and it shows her birthplace > as Bristol, about 1854-5 > > Looking at birth registrations there is a Letitia Ada GREEN registered Dec > qtr 1853 in Clifton, the area where WH Verriere lived. Presumably an > illegitimate daughter who was later legitimated by the marriage. It's more likely she simply took on name, irrespective of whether he was actually her father or not. A lot of children get "lost" that way. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

:-))) Yes, you've got that! It seemed to be the habit of the rich in those days more than the poor...they could afford it! I have a few solicitors who were regularly producing children and not marrying the mothers until after all the children died. There was another Bristol solicitor who kept two families at the same time. He was killed in a train crash on the Bristol to WSM line and left his money to his mistress so his legitimate children really suffered while the illegitimate children became reasonably wealthy! Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marion" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [B&D] Divorce, bigamy or annulment? early 20th Century > It gets deeper. > > William Heatly VERRIERE married Jane Henrietta GREEN in 1857. However > there > is a marriage in Lambeth in 1888 for a Letitia Ada VERRIERE who was born > about 1855. I found Letitia in the 1901 census and it shows her birthplace > as Bristol, about 1854-5 > > Looking at birth registrations there is a Letitia Ada GREEN registered Dec > qtr 1853 in Clifton, the area where WH Verriere lived. Presumably an > illegitimate daughter who was later legitimated by the marriage. > > I suspect he liked the ladies. But probably didn't like being married!! > > Marion > > On 19 December 2010 19:41, Liz <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Yes, it was his marriage to Jane Henrietta GREEN. >> >> Yes, I was interested to see that Louis was a servant in 1881 and I agree >> with you, he must have had an inheritance. There are 3 Probates on >> Ancestry >> for the VERRIERE family. I can't access them because they've changed the >> settings and you can only access them if you have their full >> subscription. >> Liz >> www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery <http://www.btinternet.com/%7Ee.newbery> >> OPC for Street, Somerset >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >