Roy Stockdill wrote: > Gilding a turkey with gold leaf surely has to be the most crass, naffest idea of the year! > I almost choked on my breakfast toast when I read the bit about gold leaf being > perfectly safe to eat because it passes straight through the system, and the > subsequent comment by someone that it could be collected and re-cycled next year! > > Er, run that by me again, would you.....? Gold has a long history of being used in food and drink, albeit usually gourmet fodder as this bit in Wikipedia suggests: * Gold can be used in food and has the E number 175.[21] * Gold leaf, flake or dust is used on and in some gourmet foods, notably sweets and drinks as decorative ingredient.[22] Gold flake was used by the nobility in Medieval Europe as a decoration in food and drinks, in the form of leaf, flakes or dust, either to demonstrate the host's wealth or in the belief that something that valuable and rare must be beneficial for one's health. Gold foil along with silver is sometimes used in South Asian sweets such as barfi.[23] * Danziger Goldwasser (German: Gold water of Danzig) or Goldwasser (English: Goldwater) is a traditional German herbal liqueur[24] produced in what is today Gdańsk, Poland, and Schwabach, Germany, and contains flakes of gold leaf. There are also some expensive (~$1000) cocktails which contain flakes of gold leaf.[25] However, since metallic gold is inert to all body chemistry, it adds no taste nor has it any other nutritional effect and leaves the body unaltered.[26] #21 ^ "Current EU approved additives and their E Numbers". Food Standards Agency, UK. 27 July 2007. http://www.food.gov.uk/safereating/chemsafe/additivesbranch/enumberlist. #22 ^ "The Food Dictionary: Varak". Barron's Educational Services, Inc. 1995. http://www.epicurious.com/cooking/how_to/food_dictionary/entry?id=5061. Retrieved 2007-05-27. #23 ^ Indian Recipes #24 ^ Baedeker, Karl (1865). "Danzig" (in German). Deutschland nebst Theilen der angrenzenden Länder. Karl Baedeker. http://books.google.com/?id=tsUNAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA101. #25 ^ Guiness Book of World Records 2008 #26 ^ "The Many Uses of Gold". http://geology.com/minerals/gold/uses-of-gold.shtml. Retrieved 2009-06-06. Not sure about the recycling bit though <VBG> We usually have duck instead of turkey because none of us really likes the latter. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

On 22 Dec 2010 at 11:01, liverpud wrote: > Sorry, won't be doing that. I have run out of gold-leaf. > > What's next? > > Edna - Ottawa > Mince pies coated in melted-down silver bullion? -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

On 22 Dec 2010 at 13:03, Roy Stockdill wrote: > On 22 Dec 2010 at 12:31, Charani wrote: > > > How about this for a Christmas Dinner (or Lunch) that won't be > > forgotten in a hurry? :)) > > > > www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/food/2010/11/stefan-gates-golden-turkey.shtml > > Snip..... > Turkey is the most boring meat imaginable, anyway, and I can never > understand why so many people have it at Christmas. I blame our > American friends for introducing it with their Thanksgiving tradition! > Does anyone remember that hilarious monologue by Bob Newhart (one of my all-time favourite comics) where he imagines Sir Walter Raleigh - described by his boss in London as "Nutty Walt" - phoning head office to report on the latest developments in the colonies? The sketch was called "Introducing Tobacco to Civilisation" and a line in it goes..... "Did we get the what, Walt? The boatload of turkeys? Oh, yeah, they arrived fine. As a matter of fact, they're running all over London right now. Ya' see, that's an AMERICAN holiday, Walt!" I have a double CD album containing all of Newhart's most famous monologues and, even though I must know every line off by heart, they still crease me up! Are there any comedians like Newhart around today? Can't think of one. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

On 22 Dec 2010 at 12:31, Charani wrote: > How about this for a Christmas Dinner (or Lunch) that won't be > forgotten in a hurry? :)) > > www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/food/2010/11/stefan-gates-golden-turkey.shtml > Gilding a turkey with gold leaf surely has to be the most crass, naffest idea of the year! It's the sort of thing that would only appeal to cretins fond of flaunting their wealth - Michael Winner, Simon Cowell and Victoria Beckham spring to mind. Turkey is the most boring meat imaginable, anyway, and I can never understand why so many people have it at Christmas. I blame our American friends for introducing it with their Thanksgiving tradition! Give me duck or a nice juicy steak any time. I almost choked on my breakfast toast when I read the bit about gold leaf being perfectly safe to eat because it passes straight through the system, and the subsequent comment by someone that it could be collected and re-cycled next year! Er, run that by me again, would you.....? -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

That's O.K. One jug of gluwein then. I don't want to spoil the party. (;-)) Edna -- Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <[email protected]> To: "Bristol-District" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [B&D] An unforgettable Christmas Dinner :)) liverpud wrote: > Sorry, won't be doing that. I have run out of gold-leaf. Oh, botheration!! I don't believe there'll be any further deliveries this side of the New Year either. Foiled again!! ;)) > What's next? How about some gluwein instead? :)) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

How about this for a Christmas Dinner (or Lunch) that won't be forgotten in a hurry? :)) www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/food/2010/11/stefan-gates-golden-turkey.shtml -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Thanks Roy, that does sound better. My mouth is actually watering... (;-)) Edna - Ottawa Merry Christmas and a healthy New Year ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Stockdill" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [B&D] An unforgettable Christmas Dinner :)) On 22 Dec 2010 at 11:01, liverpud wrote: > Sorry, won't be doing that. I have run out of gold-leaf. > > What's next? > > Edna - Ottawa > Mince pies coated in melted-down silver bullion? -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html

Sorry, won't be doing that. I have run out of gold-leaf. What's next? Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <[email protected]> To: "B+D List" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 7:31 AM Subject: [B&D] An unforgettable Christmas Dinner :)) How about this for a Christmas Dinner (or Lunch) that won't be forgotten in a hurry? :)) www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/food/2010/11/stefan-gates-golden-turkey.shtml -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Looking at my list of British birth/baptism sites, I see that the Forest of Dean has some Miscellaneous Parish Records from Norton. I don't know if it is appropriate, but maybe you can try that? http://www.forest-of-dean.net/fodmembers/parish_lists.html#1 Search with this URL (registration required): http://www.forest-of-dean.net/fodmembers/index.php?mode=page&id=2 If you have not tried it, also try with Nome and Kome in case the handwriting made it look like a different first letter. Maybe even Rome. Of course, there always are the assorted LDS databases, if you have not checked them yet, direct urls to their specific databases for the British Isles, and other birth/baptism resources, are at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~thecohens/birthindexes-bri.html On 12/18/10, Margaret Hayon <[email protected]> wrote: > Please can anyone tell me where I might be able to find non-conformist > baptism records for Midsomer Norton in the 1840s? > I'm looking for some record of the birth of my g-grandfather Albert James > HOME - he was Congregationalist, and was born in Midsomer Norton about 1846. > I haven't found him in the civil registration of births. (His surname was > sometimes - wrongly - spelt HOLMES.)

It was worth a try :) Yvonne -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Margaret Hayon Hi Yvonne, Thanks for the suggestion. I just tried FreeREG, but didn't find him there. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Margaret Hayon Please can anyone tell me where I might be able to find non-conformist baptism records for Midsomer Norton in the 1840s? I'm looking for some record of the birth of my g-grandfather Albert James HOME - he was Congregationalist, and was born in Midsomer Norton about 1846. I haven't found him in the civil registration of births. (His surname was sometimes - wrongly - spelt HOLMES.)

I should like to bring home my GGGrandfather John Donne Harrison who was born in Lambeth in 1823, Hopefully he would come with his father William John Donne Harrison and his mother Mary Ann they were alive in 1826 when John was baptised at St John's, Smith Square, Westminster but that is all I know of them. There is a Bristol connection as John married Elizabeth Mary French Tucker my GGGrandmother who was born 1824 in Bristol. We would have a very Happy Christmas as I hope everyone on the list also enjoys. Regards Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <[email protected]> To: "B+D List" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 11:05 AM Subject: [B&D] Home for Christmas: PONSFORD and PARKER > It's time to call any strayed, lost or errant ancestors home for

Hi Yvonne, Thanks for the suggestion. I just tried FreeREG, but didn't find him there. Margaret in Israel -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Yvonne Scrivener Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 6:09 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [B&D] Non-conformist baptism records? Hi Margaret, Have you tried FreeREG - they have some Wesleyan and Methodist baptisms for the period you are after. Yvonne Scrivener Canberra ACT Australia -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Margaret Hayon Please can anyone tell me where I might be able to find non-conformist baptism records for Midsomer Norton in the 1840s? I'm looking for some record of the birth of my g-grandfather Albert James HOME - he was Congregationalist, and was born in Midsomer Norton about 1846. I haven't found him in the civil registration of births. (His surname was sometimes - wrongly - spelt HOLMES.) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ NOD32 5716 (20101219) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com

James Cook(e) born 1811 Bristol Married Mary Ann b 1811 Bristol Children - Mary Ann b abt 1833, Harriet abt 1836, Elizah abt 1841, John abt 1843, Amelia abt 1846. Census 1851 - Redcliffe Bristol Osborne Court COOKE James - 41 - lab - b Bristol      Mary Ann - 42 - b Bristol      Harriet - 15 - b Bristol      Eliza - 10 - b Bristol      John - 8 - b Bristol      Amelia - 5 - b Bristol I dont have any more information than that, they are in my COOK strays. Pat in Lincolnshire.

Hi Liz, I checked with the museum some years ago, and at that time they had nothing. A very kind man named Alan Voce was there and checked for me, although I believe that he has since passed on. The factory records did not appear to include mention of my ancestor, leaving me to guess that perhaps he was a journeyman, paid by the hour, rather than a permanent employee. They seem to have more records now than a few years back, including non-conformist records, so it might be worthwhile checking again. I believe they had a son, Jesse, between 1821 and 1823, and although I couldn't find him in the Parish Registers, he might be in the non-conformist church records. John's parents were Baptists, so it's quite possible. I may need to plan a visit to Tiverton, unless someone is able to check for me. Best wishes & thanks for the reply, Mike -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Liz Sent: 20 December 2010 14:12 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [B&D] QUAIL and GOVIER - was Home for Christmas: PONSFORDandPARKER Hi Mike Have you checked with the museum in Tiverton to see what they have on your QUAIL family? They have all the records for Heathcoats factory. Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Gould" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [B&D] QUAIL and GOVIER - was Home for Christmas: PONSFORD andPARKER > Hi Charani, > > I noticed that your posting included references to Tiverton (Devon) and > Loughborough (Leicestershire). These two places always make me sit up and > take notice, as an ancestor of mine was also connected with both. It's an > example of where family historians need to research local history to > understand what happened to their ancestors. My great x4 grandfather, > John > QUAIL, was born in Leicestershire but married in Tiverton. He was an > Engineer and Framesmith, working on lacemaking frames. The reason for his > move was as follows: > > In 1816, there was a lot of unrest across the country. Luddism was rife, > and although this is often portrayed as an opposition to new technology, > it > was as much about the problems caused by cheap imports from overseas. And > so it came about that a group of Luddites attacked John Heathcoat's lace > factory in Loughborough. They smashed up the lace making frames and burnt > the lace. Heathcoat was incensed. The Leicestershire County Council > offered him compensation for his losses, but only on condition that he > re-built a factory in Leicestershire. But Heathcoat was having none of > it. > He had recently purchased a new factory in Tiverton and resolved to set up > his base there. He offered work to his Leicestershire workforce, and so > it > came about that hundreds of people - many whole families - made the exodus > from Loughborough to Tiverton. They could not afford transport and walked > the whole way - mostly down the old Fosse Way. > > So it was, I'm sure, that my Leicestershire ancestor came to marry a lass > from Tiverton, Ann GOVIER, in 1821. He would only have been 14 in 1816, > so > may have completed his apprenticeship before making the journey. I have > yet > to find any records that tell me about his apprenticeship or when he moved > down to Tiverton. Perhaps one day ... > > To make sure that this is relevant to the List, John died in Bristol ! > > Best wishes & merry Christmas to all, > > Mike Gould > Leicestershire (having been born in Bristol and made the reverse trip to > ancestor John !) >

I issue a warm invitation, as usual, to my 3GGM, Temperance HALE, in case she's ready to come out of hiding. She married hatter, William BOWYER, in Frampton Cotterell in 1800. Although there are tantalising clues out there, with,for example, another BOWYER/HALE duo with similarly-named children, nothing has so far, actually gelled as hard fact. Seasonal greetings to everyone. Kind regards Joy

Hi Margaret, Have you tried FreeREG - they have some Wesleyan and Methodist baptisms for the period you are after. Yvonne Scrivener Canberra ACT Australia -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Margaret Hayon Please can anyone tell me where I might be able to find non-conformist baptism records for Midsomer Norton in the 1840s? I'm looking for some record of the birth of my g-grandfather Albert James HOME - he was Congregationalist, and was born in Midsomer Norton about 1846. I haven't found him in the civil registration of births. (His surname was sometimes - wrongly - spelt HOLMES.)

Hi Mike Have you checked with the museum in Tiverton to see what they have on your QUAIL family? They have all the records for Heathcoats factory. Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Gould" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [B&D] QUAIL and GOVIER - was Home for Christmas: PONSFORD andPARKER > Hi Charani, > > I noticed that your posting included references to Tiverton (Devon) and > Loughborough (Leicestershire). These two places always make me sit up and > take notice, as an ancestor of mine was also connected with both. It's an > example of where family historians need to research local history to > understand what happened to their ancestors. My great x4 grandfather, > John > QUAIL, was born in Leicestershire but married in Tiverton. He was an > Engineer and Framesmith, working on lacemaking frames. The reason for his > move was as follows: > > In 1816, there was a lot of unrest across the country. Luddism was rife, > and although this is often portrayed as an opposition to new technology, > it > was as much about the problems caused by cheap imports from overseas. And > so it came about that a group of Luddites attacked John Heathcoat's lace > factory in Loughborough. They smashed up the lace making frames and burnt > the lace. Heathcoat was incensed. The Leicestershire County Council > offered him compensation for his losses, but only on condition that he > re-built a factory in Leicestershire. But Heathcoat was having none of > it. > He had recently purchased a new factory in Tiverton and resolved to set up > his base there. He offered work to his Leicestershire workforce, and so > it > came about that hundreds of people - many whole families - made the exodus > from Loughborough to Tiverton. They could not afford transport and walked > the whole way - mostly down the old Fosse Way. > > So it was, I'm sure, that my Leicestershire ancestor came to marry a lass > from Tiverton, Ann GOVIER, in 1821. He would only have been 14 in 1816, > so > may have completed his apprenticeship before making the journey. I have > yet > to find any records that tell me about his apprenticeship or when he moved > down to Tiverton. Perhaps one day ... > > To make sure that this is relevant to the List, John died in Bristol ! > > Best wishes & merry Christmas to all, > > Mike Gould > Leicestershire (having been born in Bristol and made the reverse trip to > ancestor John !) > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Charani > Sent: 20 December 2010 11:06 > To: B+D List > Subject: [B&D] Home for Christmas: PONSFORD and PARKER > > It's time to call any strayed, lost or errant ancestors home for > Christmas, they don't have to be local to the list. There's space at > our table for everyone and food aplenty - despite a whole 5 inches of > snow here which is 5 inches more than we'd normally get :)) Ancestors > can be called home from now until Boxing Day (26 Dec). > > Someone long missing and who I'd love to have home for Christmas is > James PONSFORD allegedly born Tiverton around 1828. He was also known > at various times as James William and William James. > > Also John PARKER of Newhall Derbys who was born around 1800 so I can > ask him about his parents, siblings and grandparents and also when he > married Catherine CHEATLE, if he actually did. I'd also like to know > if he is the same John PARKER who married Catherine SWAN in 1819 in > Loughborough. > > -- > Charani (UK) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Charani, I noticed that your posting included references to Tiverton (Devon) and Loughborough (Leicestershire). These two places always make me sit up and take notice, as an ancestor of mine was also connected with both. It's an example of where family historians need to research local history to understand what happened to their ancestors. My great x4 grandfather, John QUAIL, was born in Leicestershire but married in Tiverton. He was an Engineer and Framesmith, working on lacemaking frames. The reason for his move was as follows: In 1816, there was a lot of unrest across the country. Luddism was rife, and although this is often portrayed as an opposition to new technology, it was as much about the problems caused by cheap imports from overseas. And so it came about that a group of Luddites attacked John Heathcoat's lace factory in Loughborough. They smashed up the lace making frames and burnt the lace. Heathcoat was incensed. The Leicestershire County Council offered him compensation for his losses, but only on condition that he re-built a factory in Leicestershire. But Heathcoat was having none of it. He had recently purchased a new factory in Tiverton and resolved to set up his base there. He offered work to his Leicestershire workforce, and so it came about that hundreds of people - many whole families - made the exodus from Loughborough to Tiverton. They could not afford transport and walked the whole way - mostly down the old Fosse Way. So it was, I'm sure, that my Leicestershire ancestor came to marry a lass from Tiverton, Ann GOVIER, in 1821. He would only have been 14 in 1816, so may have completed his apprenticeship before making the journey. I have yet to find any records that tell me about his apprenticeship or when he moved down to Tiverton. Perhaps one day ... To make sure that this is relevant to the List, John died in Bristol ! Best wishes & merry Christmas to all, Mike Gould Leicestershire (having been born in Bristol and made the reverse trip to ancestor John !) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Charani Sent: 20 December 2010 11:06 To: B+D List Subject: [B&D] Home for Christmas: PONSFORD and PARKER It's time to call any strayed, lost or errant ancestors home for Christmas, they don't have to be local to the list. There's space at our table for everyone and food aplenty - despite a whole 5 inches of snow here which is 5 inches more than we'd normally get :)) Ancestors can be called home from now until Boxing Day (26 Dec). Someone long missing and who I'd love to have home for Christmas is James PONSFORD allegedly born Tiverton around 1828. He was also known at various times as James William and William James. Also John PARKER of Newhall Derbys who was born around 1800 so I can ask him about his parents, siblings and grandparents and also when he married Catherine CHEATLE, if he actually did. I'd also like to know if he is the same John PARKER who married Catherine SWAN in 1819 in Loughborough. -- Charani (UK)

Thomas GLEDE married Esther CULL or CHAPPEL on 04 Jul 1815 at Hawkesbury Upton (From that I can only assume that her parents [Isaac CULL and Mary CHAPPEL] might not have been married when she was born!)/ His mother might have been a Rachel as their first born was a daughter called Rachel bpt 15 Oct 1815 at Hawkesbury Upton followed by - Mary 12 Oct 1817 Anthony 13 Feb 1820 Mary 27 Jan 1822 Giles 26 Sep 1824 George 07 May 1826, and finally Lewis 25 May 1828 all baptised Hawkesbury Upton in Gloucestershire so not too far away from our area. So, when and where, please did Thomas GLEDE come from? Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset

Joseph ROGERS lived in Norton Hawkfield...have you ever been there? We have! Before you know you are there...you've gone through it! It is just a hamlet so they were obviously baptised and/or married in one of the surrounding parishes. The closest one is Chew Magna as I found out...it was getting quite dark by the time we got there. Joseph ROGERS says he was born in Whitchurch, Somerset c.1791. His wife was called Ann and she was about 2 years younger than him, also from Whitchurch. I can't find their marriage yet. Their children were all born Norton Hawkfield - where were they baptised? William c.1823 Joseph c. 1826 Elizabeth c. 1830 James c.1831 George c.1834 Ann c. 1835 Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset