Thank you so much!!  The GRO system sounds similar to the Irish Republic one.  There is a central GRO which has an online form and will accept credit cards.  However the county GRO will not. You have given places to research.  Really do appreciate it.  If you ever need USA data, would be willing to recipricate the assistance. Mary Ellen Chambers Lakewood, OH   ----- Original Message ---- From: Charani <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, December 28, 2010 1:09:55 PM Subject: Re: [B&D] Records for David TOWNDSEND & Family 19th Century Mary Ellen Chambers wrote: > >      I am seeking records re: the family of my great great grandfather David > TOWNSEND; church/sacramental, possible business records and death. He was > Protestant but do not know what denomination. Since you are looking for some post civil registration records (ie after 1 July 1837), one of the first places to go, which is free of charge, is www.freeBMD.org.uk If you haven't visited it before it an index of all the births, marriages and deaths to be found in the GRO Indices.  It is a volunteer project so not yet complete but it's as far as 1940, so "only" another 43 years to go :)) The births and deaths are not available online at all so the only way of getting the details is to buy the relevant certificates which you can do either direct from the GRO itself (9.25 GBP, post free anywhere in the world) or from the relevant local register office (9GBP but postage and/or a handling fee may be required).  You can order certs online from the GRO but not all register offices accept online orders or payment by credit/debit card.  *Don't* order from Ancestry or any other certificate "service" as they charge well over the true price and have to order from one or other of the above sources anyway. Sister projects are www.freeREG.org.uk which is the transcription of parish registers.  Again it's a volunteer project and has a very long way to go.  Parish registers started in 1538 but not all of those survive by any means.  The transcriptions will go up to 1910 (currently). The third sister project is www.freeCEN.org.uk which is a volunteer project transcribing all the censuses from 1841 to 1901.  Like the others, it is not yet complete.  I don't know if any of the rare 1801, 1811, 1821 and 1831 survivals which actually give names will be included but I presume they will. >      He was a coach maker, per the 1862 civil marriage record for my g > grandfather Fredrick J. TOWNSEND in Limerick City County Limerick Ireland.  G > Grandfather was known as John. >      David and his family resided in the Bristol area of England.  He may have > Welsh origins but cannon locate any definitive data for Wales.  I found him & > his family in the 1861 census but my g grandfather was already in Ireland at > this time.  His younger brother William is listed along with sisters.  The > mother's name is listed as Eliza but her age makes me think she could be a 2nd > wife or there is a census error. You may be able to resolve this with FreeBMD. >      I have followed this family via census records to 1911 with the occupation > > listed as coach maker for father & son William.  I figured that it may have >been > > a "dying or dead" occupation by this time. Horse drawn coaches and carriages, yes, but not railways carriages/ coaches (railcars) or motor cars.  That said horse drawn carriages are still made today. >        Based on by g grandfather year of birth (1840) and William as 1846, >David > > was probably born about 1820.  Also, William's birthplace on census is listed >as > > Wales. The districts in Wales will have volume numbers of 26 (south Wales) and 27 (north Wales). You won't find English/Welsh certificates as informative as US ones. For what is and is not on them, you'll find this site useful: http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/indexbd.htm For pre-civil registration baptisms, burials and marriages, there's the IGI (but be very wary of patron submissions which can vary from complete accuracy to pure fantasy and all points in between), FreeREG and the Bristol & Avon Family History Society data CDs. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

      I am seeking records re: the family of my great great grandfather David TOWNSEND; church/sacramental, possible business records and death. He was Protestant but do not know what denomination.       He was a coach maker, per the 1862 civil marriage record for my g grandfather Fredrick J. TOWNSEND in Limerick City County Limerick Ireland.  G Grandfather was known as John.       David and his family resided in the Bristol area of England.  He may have Welsh origins but cannon locate any definitive data for Wales.  I found him & his family in the 1861 census but my g grandfather was already in Ireland at this time.  His younger brother William is listed along with sisters.  The mother's name is listed as Eliza but her age makes me think she could be a 2nd wife or there is a census error.         I have followed this family via census records to 1911 with the occupation listed as coach maker for father & son William.  I figured that it may have been a "dying or dead" occupation by this time.        Based on by g grandfather year of birth (1840) and William as 1846, David was probably born about 1820.  Also, William's birthplace on census is listed as Wales. Would appreciated any assist on finding this family.  I have never done genealogy research in the Welsh/English records.  All genealogy research has been in USA, Ireland, and some in Australia.  Thanks in advance. Mary Ellen Chambers Lakewood, OH [email protected]

Charani wrote: > There are three brothers on one of my lines who are all given as being > crippled. They were born between 1838 and 1844, all illegitimate but > I think with the same father. None of them married. None of them had > skilled jobs. They're given as labourers. The middle brother was > noted as being crippled from birth. > > They died aged 68, 33 and 33. I was given the brothers death certificates for Christmas, along with their mother's. The eldest brother, Charles, was a brewer's labourer and his cause of death was given as rheumatism and morbus cordis. Rheumatism can definitely be crippling. The middle brother, Francis, was given as a wood turner by his sister who was the informant for the deaths of all three of her brothers. His cause of death phthisis pulmonalis 15 months, diarrhoer [sic] 14 days. The youngest brother, John, was also a brewer's labourer. His cause of death was similar to Francis' in that it was phthisis 1 year 6 months, syncope 3 hours. Death must have been a merciful release for all three. CoD for their mother (my gt gt grandmother) was fatty degeneration of the heart some years, disease of the coronary artery, syncope 50 minutes. She was 54. I guess I'll have to watch my health since my father died, age 50, of a similar cause as my gt gt grandmother who was not either of his grandmothers. No more Christmas excess! :)) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Phil Warn wrote: > Hi all, > > I actually beg to differ! One of my cousins was baptised Patty but she appeared in one census as Matilda. I spent ages trying to find this additional child who was about the same age as my Patty. I discovered much later that Patty and Matilda were one and the same because Patty is the pet form of Matilda. It would appear the enumerator "corrected" the name, making an error in the process. It's a subject that's been discussed many times on various lists. > I suggest that the pet form for Matilda is Tilly. That is a pet form. I call my grand dau Tilly because I don't like Matilda but she's most often called Tilda or Matty. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

liverpud wrote: > Hi Charani, Thanks very much. > > Mary Worth was alive in 1799 as mentioned in her father's (Charles Olliver > Worth 1749-1800) > letter from Bristol Sept. 12, 1799 to his nephew, John Worth, Esq., Worth > House, Washfield nr. Tiverton. He said in the letter that his poor little > girl had a nasty cough... Have checked through records of The Temple Holy > Cross and Westbury on Trym, Bristol, and found nothing as to her marriage or > death. > > Note: There was a burial at Temple Church > 1799 132, 27.11.1799 Worth Matilda Child Westbury under a Tomb -- could this > be her? If there's no evidence of a Matilda, then odds on it is. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Hi all, I actually beg to differ! I suggest that the pet form for Matilda is Tilly. Phil (Looks for a quick shelter)

liverpud wrote: > Temple Burials: > > 1799 132, 27.11.1799 WORTH Matilda, Child Westbury, Under Tomb > > Could the name Matilda be applied to a child named Mary? > > As I have a great-aunt Mary Worth b. 1787 Luccombe but was living in Bristol > circa 1799. Matilda and Mary might well be one and the same, although I'm not sure a 12 year old would necessarily have been referred to as a child at that time. The usual pet version of Matilda is Patty but a child could be known by any name. She could have been named for a favoured/favourite female relative but known by her parents preferred name. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Thanks Philip. As we know Mary and Matilda were very common names. Just a guess on my part though. (;-)) Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Warn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 12:11 PM Subject: [Bulk] Re: [B&D] WORTH Mary or Matilda? Hi all, I actually beg to differ! I suggest that the pet form for Matilda is Tilly. Phil (Looks for a quick shelter) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Charani, Thanks very much. Mary Worth was alive in 1799 as mentioned in her father's (Charles Olliver Worth 1749-1800) letter from Bristol Sept. 12, 1799 to his nephew, John Worth, Esq., Worth House, Washfield nr. Tiverton. He said in the letter that his poor little girl had a nasty cough... Have checked through records of The Temple Holy Cross and Westbury on Trym, Bristol, and found nothing as to her marriage or death. Note: There was a burial at Temple Church 1799 132, 27.11.1799 Worth Matilda Child Westbury under a Tomb -- could this be her? (;-)) Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [B&D] WORTH Mary or Matilda? liverpud wrote: > Temple Burials: > > 1799 132, 27.11.1799 WORTH Matilda, Child Westbury, Under Tomb > > Could the name Matilda be applied to a child named Mary? > > As I have a great-aunt Mary Worth b. 1787 Luccombe but was living in > Bristol > circa 1799. Matilda and Mary might well be one and the same, although I'm not sure a 12 year old would necessarily have been referred to as a child at that time. The usual pet version of Matilda is Patty but a child could be known by any name. She could have been named for a favoured/favourite female relative but known by her parents preferred name. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Temple Burials: 1799 132, 27.11.1799 WORTH Matilda, Child Westbury, Under Tomb Could the name Matilda be applied to a child named Mary? As I have a great-aunt Mary Worth b. 1787 Luccombe but was living in Bristol circa 1799. (;-)) Edna - Ottawa Healthy New Year to all

Lovely story Charani, we can never go wrong by helping someone. (;-)) Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <[email protected]> To: "B+D List" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2010 8:11 AM Subject: [B&D] A Heartwarming Story This is a truly heartwarming story of a true Good Samaritan http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12043294 -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Dear Listers, Last year I made an appeal to try to get my Great great aunt and a British Home Child Angelina/Alugreena AUGUSTUS (b January 26, 1872 in Bootle, Walton) home for Christmas; she was registered as Alugreena but her name was changed by the home. Well, after some sterling detective work by kind listers they managed to find her in the US of A and not in Canada, where she was sent in 1881 at age ten and all alone, poor soul. It was gratifying to find that she had married (in about 1888, I believe but am not sure) a George H. Melvin, born about 1859 in Massachusetts. She is listed in the US 1900 Census as living with George and a son Benjamin (born about February 1890 in Vermont) in Franklin County, Vermont. And that is the last I have been able to find out; there are several Benjamin Melvin candidates. Time is running short but I would love to welcome anybody in the family to visit with us on Boxing Day, or to get any more information about the George's or Benjamin's family. Have a Very Merry Christmas all, and a Happy, Healthy New Year and 2011. David (Beecham) PA, USA, where it is a nice day but we are expecting the first snow of the season tomorrow.

This is a truly heartwarming story of a true Good Samaritan http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12043294 -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Wishing you all a very Merry Christmas and Festive Season. The turkey is already in the oven (the duck and the three bird roast will go in shortly), all the trimmings are ready and waiting to go in or on the cooker at their due time. I'll give you a shout when it's ready :)) In the meantime, enjoy a glass of sherry, open a few presents, sing a few carols - and I'm going back to bed!! LOL I was still up and busy with preparations at 2 this morning <G> -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Our turkey is in the oven brimming with stuffing. All is ready for our little crowd this afternoon. You all take it easy now. Merry Christmas and a healthy New Year! Edna - Ottawa

Well my last minute preparations are even more last minute than usual - I can offer many excuses but the main ones are illness. I have been suffering from a bout of bronchitis since last Friday night, and then my cat, of at least 17 years of age and who this year has been starting to look it became very weak over the weekend. I'm glad to report that I am on the mend, but very sad to say that Scampi died last night...:-( But last minute though they maybe they are sincerely meant and come with thanks to all who have helped me over the past year and best wishes for the future to you all in both your lives and researches. I would like to share my online Christmas card with you: www.rowberry.org/xmas10.html and the ROWBERRY ONS Newsletter 2010: www.rowberry.org/xmasRlet10.pdf Kindest regards Polly

There was an interesting piece on the BBC news site about the origins of Christmas Carols which I found last year, then mislaid! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8412999.stm I can't quite get the words to fit the tune though! -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton and Greinton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Hi everyone Hope you are all busy with your Christmas preparations. I keep having a break and coming back to look at some family history. I have a Charles JEWELL with a wife, Elizabeth and I wonder if anyone can tell me when and where they married. They had two children baptised in Bristol - Elizabeth JEWELL 06 Jun 1813 St Philip & St Jacob, Bristol, and Charles JEWELL 21 March 1819 St Philip & St Jacob, Bristol The marriage of Charles and Elizabeth (the parents of course) would be much appreciated. Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset

As an ex Numismatist[coin collector]I well remember the silver threepence bit. We called them "Joeys"over here. Mum used to put them in our xmas Pudding when we were kids. She kept them in a draw,as they went out of production in 1944. "Farthings"were last minted in 1961. Graham,who remembers the old coinage with much affection. Seasons greetings to all from Cardiff. -- Graham Williams.of Canton,Cardiff. Glam;FHS;#551. "Genealogy",Where Progress is made going Backwards."

Pat Cook wrote: > James Cook(e) born 1811 Bristol > Married Mary Ann b 1811 Bristol > Children - Mary Ann b abt 1833, Harriet abt 1836, Elizah abt 1841, John abt 1843, Amelia abt 1846. > Census 1851 - Redcliffe Bristol > Osborne Court > COOKE James - 41 - lab - b Bristol > Mary Ann - 42 - b Bristol > Harriet - 15 - b Bristol > Eliza - 10 - b Bristol > John - 8 > - b Bristol > Amelia - 5 - b Bristol > > I dont have any more information than that, they are in my COOK strays. Thanks for that. It was Liz who was hoping to bring home James COOK(E) for Christmas. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/