Liz wrote: > When I came up to the bunfight with Jane in September we spent some > considerable time looking for Norton Hawkfield...we found it at dusk, well > we almost went through it before we saw it! It is just a hamlet which > didn't help Jane. > > Jane was Jane KINGSTON and was looking for her descendants in and around > North Somerset and Bristol areas. > > Her grandfather was John KINGSTON b. 1872 in Norton Hawkfield he married > Hannah Mary BOWYER from Winterbourne at Holy Trinity Church, Bristol on 08 > Jun 1900. > > Her great grandfather was William KINGSTON b. 1829 (or thereabouts) Chew > Magna who married Ann ROGERS. > > They had at least 8 children all born in Norton Hawkfield all born between > 1854 - 1872 and we would like to find their baptisms. But so far no luck. > Which parish would they have been baptised in as they lived in Norton > Hawkfield? Chew Magna according to a document in the Heritage Centre online catalogue. You've obviously found the births, no problem. > Sometimes the name was spelt KINGSTONE or KINGTON. I've tried to find > baptisms for that area but they don't appear to be transcribed. Does anyone > have access to them please. Since you can't find any transcriptions, it sounds like the Heritage Centre is going to be the only place. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

On 12 Jan 2011 at 16:38, Liz wrote: > When I came up to the bunfight with Jane in September we spent some > considerable time looking for Norton Hawkfield...we found it at dusk, > well we almost went through it before we saw it! It is just a hamlet > which didn't help Jane. > > Jane was Jane KINGSTON and was looking for her descendants in and > around North Somerset and Bristol areas. > > Her grandfather was John KINGSTON b. 1872 in Norton Hawkfield he > married Hannah Mary BOWYER from Winterbourne at Holy Trinity Church, > Bristol on 08 Jun 1900. > > Her great grandfather was William KINGSTON b. 1829 (or thereabouts) > Chew Magna who married Ann ROGERS. > > They had at least 8 children all born in Norton Hawkfield all born > between 1854 - 1872 and we would like to find their baptisms. But so > far no luck. Which parish would they have been baptised in as they > lived in Norton Hawkfield? So far I haven't been able to find their > baptisms. > > Sometimes the name was spelt KINGSTONE or KINGTON. I've tried to find > baptisms for that area but they don't appear to be transcribed. Does > anyone have access to them please. > > Liz > www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery > OPC for Street, Somerset > >From a page at GENUKI..... "NORTON-MALREWARD, a parish in the hundred of Chew, county Somerset, 4 miles S. of Bristol. Pensford is its post town. The parish, which is of small extent, consists principally of four extensive farms, and contains the extra parochial place of Norton- Hawkfield, or Hautville." -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

I found details of my husband's grandmother's request for restitution of conjugal rights and later divorce at the National Archives. Gillie

When I came up to the bunfight with Jane in September we spent some considerable time looking for Norton Hawkfield...we found it at dusk, well we almost went through it before we saw it! It is just a hamlet which didn't help Jane. Jane was Jane KINGSTON and was looking for her descendants in and around North Somerset and Bristol areas. Her grandfather was John KINGSTON b. 1872 in Norton Hawkfield he married Hannah Mary BOWYER from Winterbourne at Holy Trinity Church, Bristol on 08 Jun 1900. Her great grandfather was William KINGSTON b. 1829 (or thereabouts) Chew Magna who married Ann ROGERS. They had at least 8 children all born in Norton Hawkfield all born between 1854 - 1872 and we would like to find their baptisms. But so far no luck. Which parish would they have been baptised in as they lived in Norton Hawkfield? So far I haven't been able to find their baptisms. Sometimes the name was spelt KINGSTONE or KINGTON. I've tried to find baptisms for that area but they don't appear to be transcribed. Does anyone have access to them please. Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset

I'm sure someone once told me 'Never turn a somersault while holding an unsheathed bayonet.'Or maybe not. . . Anyone researching COX and PAYTON in Dundry, please? Kind regards Joy > Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 13:24:26 +0000 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [B&D] From my library: A Grim Almanac of Somerset > > I had several interesting local history books as Christmas presents > including Nocola Sly's "A Grim Almanac of Somerset" which is a series > of small pieces about events in the county ranging from murders, > accidents, tragedies, the bizarre and accidents of various types. > > These tales are arranged in diary fashion meaning there are 366 of > them. For instance the one for today relates to a gunshot that woke > the residents of South Hill Farm, Withycombe in 1858. Three people > died that night but not from gunshot injuries. The farm gun had > exploded in a fire. The father, younger son and a servant died. The > elder son, his badly burned wife and a labourer escaped albeit with > difficulty. > > Tomorrow's is about another fire, this time of the one that destroyed > the pavilion on Weston super Mare pier in 1930. > > Yesterday's told the story of a man who collapsed in the road in the > hamlet of Woolston Moor in 1876 but was considered to be the worse for > drink by three people who tried to help him and he was left in the > road. The coroner condemned them for their "brutal and inhuman conduct". > > One bizarre tale I've yet to find is that of a soldier who, in 1879, > stabbed himself with his own bayonet whilst turning a somersault! > > The Grim Almanac is published by The History Press whose website can > be found at www.thehistorypress.co.uk > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM > Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I had several interesting local history books as Christmas presents including Nocola Sly's "A Grim Almanac of Somerset" which is a series of small pieces about events in the county ranging from murders, accidents, tragedies, the bizarre and accidents of various types. These tales are arranged in diary fashion meaning there are 366 of them. For instance the one for today relates to a gunshot that woke the residents of South Hill Farm, Withycombe in 1858. Three people died that night but not from gunshot injuries. The farm gun had exploded in a fire. The father, younger son and a servant died. The elder son, his badly burned wife and a labourer escaped albeit with difficulty. Tomorrow's is about another fire, this time of the one that destroyed the pavilion on Weston super Mare pier in 1930. Yesterday's told the story of a man who collapsed in the road in the hamlet of Woolston Moor in 1876 but was considered to be the worse for drink by three people who tried to help him and he was left in the road. The coroner condemned them for their "brutal and inhuman conduct". One bizarre tale I've yet to find is that of a soldier who, in 1879, stabbed himself with his own bayonet whilst turning a somersault! The Grim Almanac is published by The History Press whose website can be found at www.thehistorypress.co.uk -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

This series of books is very interesting, I have one about Cornwall and one about Devon, seeing that I live almost on the border of these two counties, there are other books too about grim murders...just don't read them before going to bed!! Cathy

Bristol Record Office at 'B' Bond Warehouse, Smeaton Road will be closed to the public from Monday, 17 January to Monday, 31 January, 2011 inclusive for stocktaking. The record office will be open again as usual at 9.30am on Tuesday, 1 February. The Bristol and Avon Family History Society Research Room, also based at 'B' Bond, will however be open as usual on Wednesday mornings and Thursday afternoons during the stocktaking period. More details - http://www.bristol.gov.uk/ccm/content/press-releases/2011/jan/stocktaking-at-bristol-record-office-2011.en Roger Baynton *´¨) ¸.·´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·*¨) (¸.·´ (¸.·` * Roger Before printing, think about the environment

Mary, you could try History of the Great Lakes site: http://www.maritimehistoryofthegreatlakes.ca/documents/hgl/default.asp?ID=s072 or TheShipsList by googling. You can search for his name also, might bring up something. (;-)) Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Ellen Chambers" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 10:04 AM Subject: [B&D] Fw: Royal Navy Wills at N/A Edna~ Do you know if there is an online list of Royal Navy deserters and/or seamen for time-line 1850 - 1868?? A few years ago I contacted Kew for records. Was told that if my ancestor was a deserter from the Royal Navy, he would have been a Rating. Unless I knew the name of the vessel he was assigned, they could not check. Ratings deserted, it was extremely rare for an officer to do so. They had pensions to protect. Therefore, they would not check for officer desertions. All we have is oral history but he could have been merchant seaman also. When he came to the USA, he was able to afford partnership in Great Lakes schooners. He would not seek a berth on an ocean going ship for fear the English would find him. However, at the time he sailed The Great Lakes, 1868 to 1875 he would have met up with many English vessels. He died returning to Cleveland, OH on his schooner Saginaw when a late November gale cause the ship to run aground. Would love to prove or disprove this story. Mary Ellen Chambers Lakewood, OH

Not sure if there would be such a list but I'm sure it would be mentioned on his record. You would probably have to know the name of the vessel. I'm sure once away, he would keep quiet about the desertion. You might check through these sites. Sorry not to be very helpful. National Archives -- http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/MilitaryRecords.html http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/MerchantMarine.html (;-)) Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Ellen Chambers" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 10:04 AM Subject: [B&D] Fw: Royal Navy Wills at N/A Edna~ Do you know if there is an online list of Royal Navy deserters and/or seamen for time-line 1850 - 1868?? A few years ago I contacted Kew for records. Was told that if my ancestor was a deserter from the Royal Navy, he would have been a Rating. Unless I knew the name of the vessel he was assigned, they could not check. Ratings deserted, it was extremely rare for an officer to do so. They had pensions to protect. Therefore, they would not check for officer desertions. All we have is oral history but he could have been merchant seaman also. When he came to the USA, he was able to afford partnership in Great Lakes schooners. He would not seek a berth on an ocean going ship for fear the English would find him. However, at the time he sailed The Great Lakes, 1868 to 1875 he would have met up with many English vessels. He died returning to Cleveland, OH on his schooner Saginaw when a late November gale cause the ship to run aground. Would love to prove or disprove this story. Mary Ellen Chambers Lakewood, OH ________________________________ From: liverpud <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, January 9, 2011 10:36:46 AM Subject: [B&D] Royal Navy Wills at N/A Have a peek: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/seamenswills.asp Edna - Ottawa ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Edna~       Do you know if there is an online list of Royal Navy deserters and/or seamen for time-line 1850 - 1868??  A few years ago I contacted Kew for records.  Was told that if my ancestor was a deserter from the Royal Navy, he would have been a Rating.  Unless I knew the name of the vessel he was assigned, they could not check.  Ratings deserted, it was extremely rare for an officer to do so.  They had pensions to protect.  Therefore, they would not check for officer desertions.        All we have is oral history but he could have been merchant seaman also.  When he came to the USA, he was able to afford partnership in Great Lakes schooners.  He would not seek a berth on an ocean going ship for fear the English would find him.  However, at the time he sailed The Great Lakes, 1868 to 1875 he would have met up with many English vessels.  He died returning to Cleveland, OH on his schooner Saginaw when a late November gale cause the ship to run aground.        Would love to prove or disprove this story. Mary Ellen Chambers Lakewood, OH ________________________________ From: liverpud <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, January 9, 2011 10:36:46 AM Subject: [B&D] Royal Navy Wills at N/A Have a peek: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/seamenswills.asp Edna - Ottawa ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Meryl Good to see you around. Had a thought, I always thought that, even in those days, men in the Royal Navy were expected to automatically write a Will when they joined especially if they were going to war! Anyone have any idea about this? Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset ----- Original Message ----- From: "Meryl Phillips" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [B&D] New Year and brickwalls > None really Charani, but still chipping away at the same large lump of > granite (that is the Coombs line) with the same small flint chisel. > > I will however keep chipping away and hope that one day, maybe this year, > I > will find my Seth. > > I too wish all fellow chiselers good fortune in 2011 for their quests > > Meryl > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Charani > Sent: 07 January 2011 00:09 > To: B+D List > Subject: [B&D] New Year and brickwalls > > Slightly belatedly, all the very best for a happy, healthy and > brickwall busting new year to everyone. > > Lee Partridge posted a couple of years ago (probably longer) that the > answers are out there and she was quite right. It's just of how far > out there! > > Last year a 40-year old brickwall was finally broken down on one of my > lines by a retired cousin who took the time to systematically go > through every parish register for two counties until he found the > entry we'd been searching for for so long. Only trouble is I think > he's going to have to start all over again to find the next generation > back!! :)) > > Last year also brought three new cousins on my side of the family and > one on my husband's side. > > What successes did others have over the last year? > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM > Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

None really Charani, but still chipping away at the same large lump of granite (that is the Coombs line) with the same small flint chisel. I will however keep chipping away and hope that one day, maybe this year, I will find my Seth. I too wish all fellow chiselers good fortune in 2011 for their quests Meryl -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Charani Sent: 07 January 2011 00:09 To: B+D List Subject: [B&D] New Year and brickwalls Slightly belatedly, all the very best for a happy, healthy and brickwall busting new year to everyone. Lee Partridge posted a couple of years ago (probably longer) that the answers are out there and she was quite right. It's just of how far out there! Last year a 40-year old brickwall was finally broken down on one of my lines by a retired cousin who took the time to systematically go through every parish register for two counties until he found the entry we'd been searching for for so long. Only trouble is I think he's going to have to start all over again to find the next generation back!! :)) Last year also brought three new cousins on my side of the family and one on my husband's side. What successes did others have over the last year? -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Have a peek: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/seamenswills.asp Edna - Ottawa

The British and the Germans were quite adept at aerial photography. Sadly it led to bombing each other. http://aerial.rcahms.gov.uk/ Cheers, Edna - sunny snowy Ottawa

I've had a look at newspapers of the times. All I've found is The Times - Wednesday, 25th May 1910 An article related to an Ernest Partridge who appears to have witnessed the murder by his father (also Ernest) of his mother in Wimbledon but I don't think that's the area where your George Ernest Partridge lived. I would have thought you might get something from newspaper reports of the day and there are sites that you have to pay for online (if you google). Have you tried Dorset Record Office? Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Cook" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 9:11 PM Subject: [B&D] George Ernest Partridge b 1887 Derby George Ernest PARTRIDGE was b 30 Dec 1887 Derby, he fathered 13 children with Ada ROSSER his partner, they had 13 children. First child Kathleen Matilda Partridge b 1921 in Bristol, further 12 children born in Bristol. George Ernest was in Portland Prison, Dorset when 1911 Census taken. He was 23 years of age. I would like to find out his prison record. I asked National Archives they only hold Prison Records from 1930 onwards. Bristol Records Office, needed to know the offence to determine whether he was sentenced as the General Court or Assizes Court. I would appreciate any suggestions would be appreciated, as to my next step in finding what he was sentenced for, and for how long, and when and where? This is my first attempt at dealing with a prisoner, has anybody been down this route who could point me in the right direction. Hilary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

George Ernest PARTRIDGE was b 30 Dec 1887 Derby,  he fathered 13 children with Ada ROSSER  his partner, they had 13 children. First child Kathleen Matilda Partridge b 1921 in Bristol, further 12 children born in Bristol. George Ernest was in Portland Prison, Dorset when 1911 Census taken. He was 23 years of age. I would like to find out his prison record. I asked National Archives they only hold Prison Records from 1930 onwards. Bristol Records Office, needed to know the offence to determine whether he was sentenced as the General Court or Assizes Court. I would appreciate any suggestions would be appreciated, as to my next step in finding what he was sentenced for, and for how long, and when and where? This is my first attempt at dealing with a prisoner,  has anybody been down this route who could point me in the right direction. Hilary

Slightly belatedly, all the very best for a happy, healthy and brickwall busting new year to everyone. Lee Partridge posted a couple of years ago (probably longer) that the answers are out there and she was quite right. It's just of how far out there! Last year a 40-year old brickwall was finally broken down on one of my lines by a retired cousin who took the time to systematically go through every parish register for two counties until he found the entry we'd been searching for for so long. Only trouble is I think he's going to have to start all over again to find the next generation back!! :)) Last year also brought three new cousins on my side of the family and one on my husband's side. What successes did others have over the last year? -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Hello Liz, Yes he did! Mary Summerill, born abt 1850, so would have been about 18 years old at the time of that incident. Hmmm.... I wonder what was behind that story?? Maybe she ran away from home, wearing those clothes??? After an argument with her Dad??? (must have been pretty serious for him to claim that she "stole" the clothes...). We shall never know..... Mary was Isaac's daughter by his first wife, Sarah. I know nothing more about her. He remarried in 1854, second wife also named Sarah. They had 3 children, the youngest being my maternal g-grandfather Samuel (b 1867). [and he had a sad life too... died of bronchitis at age 28, leaving 3 small children...]. So Mary was his half-sister. Maybe she didn't get on with her stepmother??? Fascinating trying to get back into their experiences, their emotions, trying to figure out what *might* have happened..... Re gas explosion - maybe Isaac was injured in that explosion on 10th November but didn't die until later? (so wouldn't have been named in the newspaper report). A fine bunch of ancestors I have!! My paternal ggfather spent his final 15 years in the Lunatic Asylum (my cousin and I think that must have been "hushed up", not talked about, since neither her father nor mine knew anything about it...). And very sad stories on all my other ancestral lines... No wonder my parents decided to cut off connections with their unhappy pasts..... Are these newspaper archives available online? Best wishes, Margaret -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Liz Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 9:38 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [B&D] Healthy New Year! Hello Margaret, Did Isaac have a daughter called Mary? There is a report in the Bristol Mercury of Saturday, 3rd October 1868 LAWFORD GATE PETTY SESSION A young woman named Mary Summerill, was charged with stealing a pair of boots, a chemise, an apron, a pair of stockings, a flannel petticoat, and a straw hat value 10s the property of her father Isaac Summerill of St George's. She was discharged, the complainant refusing to prosecute. There was a pit explosion at Bedminster and a Mr Day died in that gas explosion but no mention of anyone else dying. That report was 10th November 1877. There are no other accidents in the Bristol or Gloucestershire area that coincide with the death of Isaac Summerill or anyone else. Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Hayon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [B&D] Healthy New Year! > Thanks Edna!! > > (hi Josephine - so glad to hear you're still around..... maybe we'll get > back to those SUMMERILLs some time.... mine are the Mangotsfield line... > coalminers... my 2xggrand-father Isaac - born 1823, Mangotsfield; died 30 > Dec 1877; cause of death: "Carbuncle 14 days, exhaustion, injury from gas > explosion". I'm curious to know what might have been the > circumstances....... was there a big explosion in the mines about then?? > > So many questions.... > > Margaret > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of liverpud > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 6:08 PM > To: JoJeremiah > Cc: Bristol-District > Subject: [B&D] Healthy New Year! > > Josephine, Thanks so much for your hard work during the year. Also to > the other people transcribing information for the benefit of us all. > I'll > > tuck those > interesting articles away for future reference... > > A healthy and prosperous New Year to you all. > > (;-)) > > Edna - sunny Ottawa > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ NOD32 5752 (20110101) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ NOD32 5754 (20110102) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com

Certainly sounds like that's your Isaac. As you say, perhaps Mary didn't get on with her step mother. No, I am sure he was not in the gas explosion on 10th November. The report was quite clear that only two people were in the mine at the time as they were checking for the smell of gas. Was Albert Home a Timekeeper before he went into the asylum. I imagine it is quite clear on the entry in the asylum records but I never read them. There is a case in Bristol about an Albert Home in 1892. Was this after he went into the asylum. The newspaper reports are available from various libraries throughout the world if you have a library ticket and your library pays the subscription. Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Hayon" <[email protected]> > Hello Liz, > Yes he did! Mary Summerill, born abt 1850, so would have been about 18 > years old at the time of that incident. > > Re gas explosion - maybe Isaac was injured in that explosion on 10th > November but didn't die until later? (so wouldn't have been named in the > newspaper report). > > Are these newspaper archives available online? > > Best wishes, > Margaret