Hi Everyone, I have a little about this Arthur Brisbin, think there were two of them, naturally. I was doing a lot of 'thinking on keyboard' in these notes, so nothing is in concrete! As you can see most of the dates are estimates. Jackie NOTES ARTHUR BRISBIN This Family Group Sheet information came from Muriel Morrison, who put it together from his will. I do not know where she got the birth date. The census information is from Anne Futch, found in a census index. The birth date and the census information make me think there are 2 Arthur Brisbins. 26 Oct 1785: born Murraysville, Westmoreland Co., Pa; Parents unknown at this time. CENSUS: 1790 Cumberland Co., Arthur Brisbin, 2 males over 16 years; 3 males under 16 years; 5 females. 1800 Westmoreland Co., p 116 1810 Westmoreland Co., p 125 1830 Allegheny Co., 2 Arthur Brisbins, p 197 & 196 (could be continued?) 1840 not listed 1846 Nov 2: Will filed, Westmoreland Co., PA; listing children as on the family group sheet, Obidiah & Samuel are minors. He has sons John & William. I would like to see this will. Muriel put John & William on top of the list, was that because they are the oldest or that she was thinking about them? They are adults born before 1826. Here is some thinking: IF John & William were the first two children born to this couple and IF the children were born about every two years, then they would have been born before 1812. That's about 1800 and 1810. Therefore, they are too young to be my John & brother William who went west. I wonder when the will was actually written? The first names of the females in this family are interesting. They are definatly family names. Margaret was also the name of Capt. John & Capt. William's sister; Eliza & Elizabeth are names I have seen for the first wife of Capt. John; Isabelle was the name of his second wife; and Mary was the name of his third wife. Interesting, but also very common names. The Arthur of this will could be the son of the Arthur of the 1790 census. Could he be a grandson of Capt John? If the birth date is correct he died at about age 61. The Arthur Brisbin in the 1790 census looks like an older established family. It is impossible that the birth date above is his. He has to have been married at least 16 years to have all these children and that means he has to be a minimum of 36 years old. That makes him born before 1754. In 1754 Captian John was married to his first wife, Eliza (Ellinor) Adcock. But we only have one child listed from that marriage, and even he (William) isn't always listed (or this first marriage for that matter). Also this theory is using very minimum numbers. I really think he was born at least several years before 1754. He could be a brother, son, cousin, or nephew of any of the early immigrant Brisbins, Capt. John, Capt. William, doubtfully the loyalist Hugh, or the James who died in Westmoreland Co. in 1779. 2 males +16 = Head of household b before 1754 and 1 son b before 1774 3 males -16 = 3 sons b between 1774 and 1790 5 females = Wife and 4 daughters (or wife, 3 daughters, & grandmother?) Here there are 4 sons. It's possible that one of them is named Arthur and could be 5 years old. Descendants of Arthur Brisbin 1 Arthur Brisbin b: 26 Oct 1785 Murraysville, Westmoreland Co., PA d: 1846 Puckety Church, Westmoreland Co., PA .+Elizabeth ??? m: 1805-1810 2 Anna Brisbin b: 1806-1826 Westmoreland Co., PA ? .... +James McKean 2 Eliza Brisbin b: 1806-1826 Westmoreland Co., PA ? .... +James Heron 2 Ellinor Brisbin b: 1806-1826 Westmoreland Co., PA ? .... +William Dennin 2 Isabelle Brisbin b: 1806-1826 Westmoreland Co., PA ? .... +William Dunn 2 John Brisbin b: 1806-1826 Westmoreland Co., PA ? 2 Margaret Brisbin b: 1806-1826 Westmoreland Co., PA ? .... +Harrison H. Harvey 2 Mary Jane Brisbin b: 1806-1826 Westmoreland Co., PA ? 2 Nancy Brisbin b: 1806-1826 Westmoreland Co., PA ? d: Bef. 1846 .... +??? Elliott ... 3 Arthur Elliott ... 3 Oliver Elliott 2 William Brisbin b: 1806-1826 Westmoreland Co., PA ? 2 Obidiah Brisbin b: 1826-1836 Westmoreland Co., PA ? 2 Samuel Brisbin b: 1826-1836 Westmoreland Co., PA ?