Hi George and everyone, I have my kids home this week for winter vacation, so haven't done as much as I'd like to. George, I have a copy of Perry Brisbin's book, but an old one without an index. His ancestors were from New York and went to Canada after the Revolution. I'll have to go browsing to see what I can find for you. Will get to it next week. I'll also look up his address for you. His cousin, John Brisbin, lives here in New Hampshire. I might call him and see if I can look at his copy again (has an index!). All for now. Jackie

George - Sorry for the delayed response. I looked everywhere trying to find the site I found of Canadian Brisbins & was unsuccesful. Our list mom "Yvonne Henderson" is of the Canadian Brisbins. Have never been to the archives in Washington so can't offer advice there. General advice would be what I did wrong when I first started researching. I made mounds of copies as a new researcher when I went to locations where I knew my ancestors were. Today I have all these copies from books & sources that are probably my ancestors but I have no idea what books or sources they came from. There are many questions in the Brisbin line that Jackie can answer in the William Brisbin - Sarah Moore line and I can answer in the John Brisbin, jr. - Mary Clark line . Can't speak for Jackie but I can't keep up with all the lines. Anne Futch ---------- > From: George H. Brisbin Jr. <oldsalt@pilot.infi.net> > To: BRISBIN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Margaret Brisbin > Date: Saturday, February 21, 1998 11:27 PM > > Ann Futch, Jackie and Others > Ann, sometime in the next month or so I will be going up to the DC area and > will try and pick up on the Penn. Brisbin stuff. Since I am very much a novice > at this I look forward on comments from all of you to help make sure that I do > a good job documenting and cross referencing the information that I gather. > No, I haven't been in touch with any Canadian Brisbins as of yet. I know that > one of them is running a Engineering Consulting firm doing much the same kind > of work that I used to do. Do you have e-mail addresses, or are they on the > Brisbin list? Both the names of James and Elizabeth along with the death date > sound right. Since James was in and out of the service, is it possible that he > was a Col. at one time? Captain does not sound right for what I was reading > though it may have been. Rank in the Revolutionary Army was passed out on the > number of men you were able to muster together. One time he might have put > together enough men to receive a higher rank. > > Jackie, you know that the James Brisbin that settled in the New York area had > two wives. I don't have the name of the first wife, but two sons were born to > this marriage. First was William b. about 1732. The second was Samuel b. > about 1734. The rest of his children by Margaret Carruth are listed in the > Mormon records NYSLcp.401 All of James' children were born in the UK but most > start showing up tin the New York records in the 1750's. By this time William > would have been past 18 and out of the house. Have you or anyone been able to > track these two? Are they the source of some of the Penn. Brisbins? I picked > these two from a different source in the Salt Lake records but didn't document > it. I know William and Samuel are not usually listed with the James > Brisbin/Margaret Carruth listings and seemed to get overlooked at times. > > I would appreciate any information that anyone has on the father of Robert > Brisbin b. Aug. 1809 in Clinton N. Y. The information that I have seems to > indicate the line may run from the above James and Margaret through one of > their 4 sons (perhaps Robert b. 1749) to a son and then to the Robert I have > being born in 1809. My research and records fail to list any information on > children or parents from the 1740's to the 1800's. These folks would be > appearing in the New York area around Saratoga Springs, Warren and Essex > Counties. Many thanks for any leads. Right now I am at a dead end mainly > because I haven't learned how to do this type of research yet. Thanks again > George > > > ==== BRISBIN Mailing List ==== > Visit the Brisbin Family List Home Page! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~daisy/brisbin.htm > >

1800 Census Index to Selected Counties; Family Tree Maker CD #312, by Broderbund Software. The following list is certainly NOT all of the Brisbins in the 1800 census, only the ones on this CD. The CD does not cover every county in every state. I will compare the list to other indexes at some time in the future. I have included some spellings that are questionable. They are so close that they could be part of the same family, but then again maybe not. The count is not always given on the CD, but for 1800 is as follows: Left row numbers - Males age 0-9/10-15/16-25/26-44/45+ Right - Females 0-9/10-15/16-25/26-44/45+/others/slaves (I don't think 'others & slaves' are necessarily females.) name county town page count NEW YORK James Brisbane Dutchess 62 00001-0000100 Crouth Brisben Saratoga 49 00010-1200100 James Brisben Saratoga 40 01010-3001000 John Brisben Saratoga 40 01001-0410101 William Brisben Saratoga 39 11010-2001000 OHIO - This is not from the census schedules, but from tax lists. John Bristben Jefferson 7 year 1806, heirs _____, Brisben Jefferson Island Creek 49 year 1808, Wid Mary Brisben Jefferson Island Creek 31 year 1809 PENNSYLVANIA William Brisbin Centre 506 02010-3200100 Andrew Brispin [sic] Chester 888 01001-1101000 John Brisbin Lancaster 177 10110-2101000 William Brisbin Lancaster 128 00300-0121100 John Bristin Mifflin 493 11010-4611021 Arthur Brisbon Westmoreland 116 00001-0220100 SOUTH CAROLINA William Braisbane Charleston Dist 114 00010-0001000 John J. Brisbane Colleton Dist 160 11011-1001000 William Brisbane Colleton Dist 160 02001-2001100 Mary Brisbane Kershaw Dist 396 02210-0010000 KENTUCKY has 2 families named Brisby, but I cannot see that they are connected at this time.

1790 Census Index, Family Tree Maker CD #311, by Broderbund Software The count is not always included in each entry. When it is, the first number is males age 16 and over including the head of household, the second number is males under 16, and the third number is females of any age. The names listed are not all that may actually be in the census schedules. I have found mistakes. These are the names listed on this CD only. It would be interesting to compare this list to others & to the actual schedules. State & name County Town Page Count GEORGIA Adam Brisbane Lancaster Dist 25 1-1-5 William Brisbane Coleton Dist 32 2-0-0 NEW YORK James Barsibin Albany 39 3-0-5 James Brisbin, Jr. Albany 39 1-0-0 Ruth Brisbane Albany 41 1-2-3 William Brisbin Albany 39 1-0-0 PENNSYLVANIA Arthur Brisban Cumberland Hopewell, Newton 76 John Brisben Dauphin 93 John Brisben Dauphin Harrisburg 87 John Brisben Lancaster Salisbury 145 Samuel Brisby Westmoreland Hempfield 263 William Brisby Westmoreland Hempfield 263

Hi all - and thanks Jackie for refreshing my memory. ++++No Year, April 30: Photocopy of handwritten letter in the possession of Muriel Brisbin Morrison as of Feb 1997. "Loving son and Daughter thes comes with a fatherley Love and regard to you hopin thes will find you all in good helth I rite to you with sorey of hart to lete you kow that yore Brother James is dede he depart this life the fiftenth of this month april I hve had sore sicknss this winter I bles god for his marces I ame gote beter youre Brothers corpes wase bured in the desents mener by his brothr inla and his ante margaret Rutherford all frendes hear is well Samul and betey and ante sends ther Love to you all give my kind Love to all your femley I ad no mor at present by Remends your loving Father John Brisban Envelope: /Harrisburg ap 30/ To Mr John Brisban in kishey kockes vealey To the keare of Robarte devson in Luestown thes / PAID 10" This letter from Capt. John in Harrisburg to John Jr. in Kishacoquilles Valley could have been written after 1815 and before Capt. John died in 1822. We are uncertain about the brother James mentioned in it. The above seems to clear up whether Margaret Brisbin was a dau or sister of Capt. John. "youre Brothers corpes wase bured in the desents mener by his brothr inla and his ante margaret Rutherford". The brother in law must have been Samuel Rutherford (husband of Capt. John's dau Elizabeth) and "ante margaret Rutherford" must have been the wife of James Rutherford who was the uncle of Samuel. Anne Futch

Ann Futch, Jackie and Others Ann, sometime in the next month or so I will be going up to the DC area and will try and pick up on the Penn. Brisbin stuff. Since I am very much a novice at this I look forward on comments from all of you to help make sure that I do a good job documenting and cross referencing the information that I gather. No, I haven't been in touch with any Canadian Brisbins as of yet. I know that one of them is running a Engineering Consulting firm doing much the same kind of work that I used to do. Do you have e-mail addresses, or are they on the Brisbin list? Both the names of James and Elizabeth along with the death date sound right. Since James was in and out of the service, is it possible that he was a Col. at one time? Captain does not sound right for what I was reading though it may have been. Rank in the Revolutionary Army was passed out on the number of men you were able to muster together. One time he might have put together enough men to receive a higher rank. Jackie, you know that the James Brisbin that settled in the New York area had two wives. I don't have the name of the first wife, but two sons were born to this marriage. First was William b. about 1732. The second was Samuel b. about 1734. The rest of his children by Margaret Carruth are listed in the Mormon records NYSLcp.401 All of James' children were born in the UK but most start showing up tin the New York records in the 1750's. By this time William would have been past 18 and out of the house. Have you or anyone been able to track these two? Are they the source of some of the Penn. Brisbins? I picked these two from a different source in the Salt Lake records but didn't document it. I know William and Samuel are not usually listed with the James Brisbin/Margaret Carruth listings and seemed to get overlooked at times. I would appreciate any information that anyone has on the father of Robert Brisbin b. Aug. 1809 in Clinton N. Y. The information that I have seems to indicate the line may run from the above James and Margaret through one of their 4 sons (perhaps Robert b. 1749) to a son and then to the Robert I have being born in 1809. My research and records fail to list any information on children or parents from the 1740's to the 1800's. These folks would be appearing in the New York area around Saratoga Springs, Warren and Essex Counties. Many thanks for any leads. Right now I am at a dead end mainly because I haven't learned how to do this type of research yet. Thanks again George

Hi Jackie & all - Have had a major catastrophe with my computer. Lost all email & addresses. George your library of congress info must have been on Capt. John Brisbin who died and is buried in the Paxtang Presbyterian Church cemetery in Harrisburg, PA. His marker is still standing & kept up by the church. BTW this church is the oldest still functioning Presbyterian church in PA. Capt. John died in 1822 and was living with his dau Elizabeth & her husband Samuel rutherford. Both of them are buried in the Paxtang graveyard. Sure would love to know what your source was for this at the library of congress. If you don't hear from me for awhile please email me. Compuer problems are not solved and may involve wiping out future email. Anne P.S. George, have you been in touch with any of the Canada Brisbins?

Hi Anne & Everyone, I spent some time trying to clean up these notes. There still may be problems with them. (an understatement!) I have a feeling some of the entries are for different William Brisbins. But, this is what I have at the moment. My notes are just that, notes, nothing in them is final. If anyone can offer improvements, additions, or suggestions, please do. Thanks. I have information from Ben Foster and have just written to him asking permission to share his notes with the group too. I sent him a copy of the welcome letter, so maybe he will join us and send them himself. If you know anyone else on-line working on Brisbins, please drop them a note & invite them to join in. We need more people to contribute here! Where are all the descendants of the South Carolina Brisbins that I see in the census indexes? I'd be interested in learning about them too. They are most likely related to the PA & NY Brisbins too. The history of the Scots-Irish tells how the people in this ethnic group went first to PA then spread out to VA and NC & SC. All for now. Jackie CAPT. WILLIAM BRISBIN There is a big discrepancy in the birth dates found for William. The two years are 1728 and 1741; enough difference to indicate that he has possibly been confused with another William Brisbin. No actual primary document links him as a brother of Capt. John, that information has been passed down by family tradition. 1728: Date of his birth given in DAR Lineage records (entry #79856 & DAR Patriot Index), death 25 Oct 1811, m Elizabeth Watson. He is referred to in Egle's Notes & Queries as the older brother of Capt. John. 1740 Sep 25: Abstracts from the 'Ben Franklin Gazette 1728-1748', by Kenneth Scott; a William Brisbin sold slaves in Philadelphia. 1741 Feb 28: This is the date I have entered in my database derived from his gravestone at the Pequea Presbyterian Church, Lancaster, PA.. It says he died 26 Oct 1811 aged 70 years, 7 months, & 27 days. The stone of his wife, Elizabeth, is next to his. Also buried in the same row are Henry Brisben, Doc. James Brisben, and David Brisben. 1751: There is a William Brison in Bart County, PA., Index to Tax Records, Volume 3, 'A New Index Lancaster County, PA before the Federal Census'. Carlene found it at the Genealogical Society of PA. This could only be our William Brisbin if his birthdate was 1728. 1764: Marriage Elizabeth Watson. Carlene Cohn (CGC) found: m 13 Mar 1764, St. James Church, Lancaster (Episcopal-Anglican), Source? DAR Patriot Index says Elizabeth was from Donigal Church & they were married there. 1768: William Brisbin on the tax assessment list of Salisbury twp, Lancaster C, PA. Carlene noted that other people had written in the margin "late 60's-70's" and later, but still many years ago, "date deduced from age of 1768 William Brisbane's servant." She wonders how the person knew this? Copied off of microfilm at the Lancaster Co. Hist. Soc. 1768 Feb 9: Indenture between Daniel McNeal of Salisbury twp and William Brisben of Leacock twp.. It appears that William was buying the land. Deed book P, pp. 243-44 at the Lancaster Co. Historical Society. (CGC) 1772: William Brisbin tax assessment list of Salisbury twp, Lancaster C, PA; Lands - 100; improved - 50; ? - 1/2; Servants-1; ages - 20; Negroes - 0; Horses & Mares - 2; Cattle - 3; Sheep - 6. (CGC, Lancaster Co. Hist. Soc.) 1773: Bought land in Leacock, Lancaster Co., PA, Court of Common Pleas of Lancaster Co., PA; Indenture Brisbin & Buchwalter 1819. 1773 May 7: Indenture between William & Elizabeth Brisben of Salsberry twp and Edward Shippen Jr.. William & Elizabeth buying land located in Salisberry twp. This land adjoins that of Andrew Caldwell & others. (CGC, Deed Book P, Vol. 1, p 474; Lancaster Co. Courthouse). The side margin has a note signed by Edward Shippen that payment in full received 8 Aug 1778. 1773 May 7: Orphans Court Proceedings, William Brisbin paid to the administrators for the estate of Andrew Caldwell late of Leacock twp to settle the intestate estate of Andrew Caldwell. Land adjoined that of William Brisbin, Henry Skiles, and Robert Young. (CGC, microfilm, Book N, Lancaster Co. Hist. Soc.) 1773 Dec 15: Tax Assessment rolls Salisbury twp, Lancaster Co,; William Brisbane: 100 acres; 2 horses; 3 cattle; 1 servant. (CGC, Lancaster Co. Hist. Soc.) 1776 Sept 4: Muster roll of the First Company of the 5th Battalion, Lancaster Co, Militia, in the Province of PA, commanded by Col. James Crawford & Capt. Robert Buyers. Baergen Town Camp, Privates--Wm. Brisban, Archibald McCrudy, discharged at Trent Town Sept 11. J. T. Watson. (N&Q 1896) 1776: Tax Assessment roll Salisbury twp, Lancaster Co; William still appears but CGC didn't copy it. No new information. 1777: Sold a portion of land to Robert Young. 1777 Sept 30: Oath of allegiance taken in Lancaster County. (CGC) 1775-1784: Revolutionary War for the American cause. William Brisbin, 1728-1811, was a private in Col John Boyd's regiment 7th Batt. in 1777. DAR Linage Books entry Vol. 80, #79856, p 313 (MBM). Commission in the US Army, 'Notes & Queries'. Found in the DAR Patriot Index p 86, William Brisbin b 1728-d1811 m. Elizabeth Watson. Capt. PA. (AF) 1780: He appears on the tax list of Salisbury twp, Lancaster Co, 241 acres, value 10,480 lbs. (AF) 1780 Aug 26th: General Return of the Officers of the Militia of the County of Lancaster in the State of PA. Lieut. Col. George Stewart--a Captain-William Brisban. (CGC, County of Lancaster Associators and Militia) 1780 Nov 20: Muster roll of the First Salisbury Company and the Eight Class of the First Battalion of Lancaster County Militia Commanded by Lieut. Col. Geo. Stewart, & Capt. William Brisben. pp 30-31 (also, 1st class-Archibald McCurdy.) (CGC, Co. of Lancaster Associators and Militia) 1781: 8th Company, 1st Batt. Lanc. Co. Militia, Wm. Brisben, Capt. p 44-45 (also, 1st class-Archibald McCurdy, 5th class-George Rutter, 6th class-Nathaniel Rutter-James Watson) (CGC, County of Lancaster Associators and Militia) 1781: Vol 2 Index to 1780 Tax Records, 'New Index, Lancaster Co, PA bef the Fed. Census': William Brisbin, Salisbury twp, 1781 (oath taken) 1782 Oct 7: A return of the 8 Company and First Battalion L.C.M., Wm Brisben, Capt pp 50-51 (CGC, Co. of Lancaster Asso. & Militia) 1782: Muster Roll of Capt. Wm. Brisben's Company 1st Battalion, Lancaster Co. (also, 5th class-George Rutter, 6th class-Nathaniel Rutter) On a list of the Classes of Capt. Wm Brisban's Company of the 1st Battalion of Lancaster County Militia, someone has written in "Salisbury twp"' pp 74-75. (1st class-Archibald 'McCordy', 5th class-George Rutter, 6th class-Nathaniel Rutter-James Watson). (CGC 'County of Lancaster Associators and Militia'). 1786 Feb 10: Warranties of Land, Cumberland County 160 acres (CGC) 1786 May 4: Indenture between Susannah Young & William Houston administrators for estate of Robert Young. William Brisbin is buying land from the estate of Robert Young. William also bid and won the purchase of land from this estate on 9 Dec 1785 and 9 Oct 1789. (CGC, Lancaster Co. Courthouse, Orphan's Court. Book XX pages 289-295) 1790: Census Index CD #311; No William Brisbin; a William Brisby in Westmoreland Co. 1798: Westmoreland Co, PA; Warranties of Land; William Brisbine; 45 acres 18 May 1798, and William Brisband 40 acres 2 Jan 1800. (CGC, Lancaster Historical Society) 1800: Census Index CD #312, William Brisbin, Lancaster Co, PA, pg 128, 00300-0121100. 1806: a William Brisbin is listed as an Elder of the Pequea Church 10 June 1806 and 12 June 1809 (CGC 'History of Pequa Presbyterian Church', by WC Alexander) 1810: Census Index CD #313, 2 William Brisbin, Salisbury, Lancaster Co., p 439 and Hempfield, Westmoreland p 97. 1811 May 18: William Brisben of Salisbury twp wrote his will. 1811 Oct 26: Lancaster Journal, Friday, 8 Nov 1811; "DIED, In Leacock township, suddenly, on Saturday 26th ... William Brisbon, Esq., formerly a REPRESENTATIVE of this county, in the STATE LEGISLATURE." [caps mine] 1811 Nov 22: Probate. (CGC, Lancaster Co. Historical Society) WILL of William Brisbin of Salisbury township, Lancaster Co., PA: ...to son John Brisbin; 112 acres purchased from Andrew Caldwell ...to daughter Elizabeth; 500 lbs, beds and furniture, a horse, and rights to board with David Brisbin ...to son William Brisbin; 200 lbs and 350 lbs ...to son David; 107 acres purchased from McNesils, his Clock, and the rest of the furniture ...to daughter Mary McCurdy; 500 lbs ...to son Henry; 79 acres purchased from Robert Young, bonds, notes, and desk ...to grandson James; to be paid 100 lbs by Henry (his son James died before him) ...to granddaughter Elizabeth Fullerton; land in Mercer County, 200 acres (daughter Barbara died before him) Executors named, John, David, & Henry. Witness; Andrew Caldwell and Nathaniel Watson (a relative of his wife?) 1811 Nov 22: John renounced as an executor. Carlene found a document in the Misc Book of 1808-1813, p 517, Lancaster Co. Courthouse; David Brisben and Henry Brisben acting Executors of the last will and testament of William Brisben late of Salisbury twp. This had been copied and typed. It has confirmation of accounts. TOMBSTONE is in the Old Pequea (pronounced peck-way) Churchyard, Salsibury twp, Lancaster Co., PA Carlene visited and sent pictures. INSCRIPTION: In / Memory of / William Brisben / who departed this life / October the 26th 1811/ Aged Seventy Years, 7 months, and 9 days. [She did not include a close-up of the stone.] 1819 Feb 15: a quit claim by William Brisbin of Allegheny County to John Brisben of Lancaster Co. for the money owed him for his inheritance from his late father William Brisben deceased of Lancaster Co. (CGC, Lancaster Co. Courthouse, Deed Book #23, vol 4, pages 484-485) 1819 March 13: a quit claim by Elizabeth Brisben of Salisbury twp to her brother, John Brisben of Leacock twp for her inheritance from her father William Brisben late deceased of Sallisbury twp.(CGC, Lancaster Co. Courthouse, Deed book #23, vol 4, pages 484-485) 1825 May 4: John Adams McCurdy of Salsbury twp, Lancaster C., PA stating that he received his share of his father-in-laws legacy. John's wife, Mary 'is since dead'. 1827 Jan 2: Indenture between William Brisbin of Allegheny County, PA and his brother David Brisbin. Money ordered to be paid to William by David from the estate of William Brisbin Deceased of Lancaster County. (CGC, Deed Book H, Vol 5, p 176, Lancaster Co. Courthouse) ++++No Year, Dec 21: David & Henry Brisben acting executors of the last will & testament of William Brisben late of Salisbury, Lancaster, PA balance in favor of the accounts. Charged against the estate of the deceased. (CGC, Lancaster County Courthouse, microfilm, Misc Book of 1808-1813, page 517) 1 William Brisbin, Capt. b: 1728-1741 d: 26 Oct 1811 Leacock, Lancaster, PA .+Elizabeth Watson b: 1740-1741 Strasburg, Lancaster, PA m: 13 Mar 1764 St. James Church, Lancaster Co., PA d: 11 Aug 1798 Lancaster Co., PA 2 Barbara Brisbin b: Aft. 1765 d: Bef. 1811 ....+??? Fullerton 2 Elizabeth Brisbin b: Aft. 1765 d: Unknown 2 Mary Brisbin b: Aft. 1765 d: Bef. 1811 ....+John Adams McCurdy m: 20 Apr 1801 d: Unknown Virginia ? 2 John Brisbin b: Abt. 1766 Lancaster Co., PA d: Jul 1837 Madison, Jefferson, IN ....+Mary Young b: Bef. 1776 m: prob. Lancaster Co., PA d: Bef. 1837 Jefferson Co., IN 2 William Brisbin b: Abt. 1770 d: Aft. 16 Dec 1843 Allegheny Co., PA 2 David Brisbin b: 03 Aug 1771 d: 04 May 1859 Intercourse, Leacock, Lancaster, PA 2 James Brisbin, Dr. b: 31 Jan 1774 d: 20 Sep 1806 Strasburg, Lancaster, PA ....+Esther ??? 2 Henry Brisbin b: 16 Jul 1784 d: May 1827 Strasburg, Lancaster, PA ....+Julia Ann Lightner m: 1820 d: 1875

Hi George & Everyone, Here are my notes on Capt John. Jackie CAPT JOHN BRISBIN, IMMIGRANT ANCESTOR ~Researchers who have contributed to these notes are: Carlene Gardner Cohn (CGC); Muriel Brisbin Morrison(MBM); Anne Futch (AF); and Margarie Morrow (MM). 'Notes & Queries Historical and Genealogical' (N&Q) is an old Pennsylvania Genealogical publication edited by William Henry Egle. 1730 Dec 25: "John Brisban, a native of Ireland, was born Dec. 25, 1730" (N&Q). Article by George Mytinger Brisbin (GMB)(N&Q 1899:95, Vol 1 pg 94) says John was born in Scotland. 'Pennsylvania Genealogies, Rutherfords of Paxtang', page 567: "Captain John Brisban, a native of County Tyrone, Ireland...".(MBM) He was a member of an ethnic group of Scottish people who had immigrated first to Ireland and then moved on to America, known now as the Scotch-Irish, Scots-Irish, or the Ulster Scots. Marjorie Morrow sent an ancestor chart showing the father of Capt. John to be William Brisbin b 11 Mar 1707 in Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland, and that William was married about 1725, she doesn't say to whom. She shows the father of William to be a James Brisbin m to Beatrix Campbell and has no data on them. She says Capt John was born in Derryloren, Co. Tyrone, Ireland. She found this information in the Family History Center, Ancestral File. No submitter's name is available at this time. [I would be cautious with this information until proven.] 1749-1754: John arrived in Pennsylvania by way of County Tyrone, Northern Ireland. He was a young Ensign in the British army. (MBM) From N&Q 1899:95: George M. Brisbin said that his grandfather came to this country with a brother. They had another brother who held a commission in the English army. He said that the two brothers immediately espoused the Revolutionary cause and entered the army. They changed the spelling of their name so that their descendants "might never have the sins of the tyrannical brother to answer for - hence Brisbin". The Brisbane brother couldn't stand the "rebbles" and went to Canada after the war. [See NOTES of George Mytinger Brisbin for the full text of that article.] Muriel received the following information from Elizabeth Zeigler of Pittsburgh, PA, a descendant of John Brisbin: "John emigrated to America with an elder brother, William, and a sister, Jannett. Evidently their parents didn't come with them, as John returned to Ireland sometime after the French-Indian War to bring his sister, Margaret, to America, possibly due to the death of the parents." 1754: Anne Futch found that he arrived in America in 1754 and was a private in the English Colonial Army at Philadelphia. (From Miller's Barr/Brisbin book.) She also has information about how John received the land grant in KY from the King. He fought in the French and Indian War. (N&Q says he was a lieutenant.) Another N&Q, xiv, JBR (a Rutherford?) thinks he was with General Wolfe on the Plains of Abraham. GMB said his grandfather was in the English army before the revolution, but he didn't know what service he had done. He also said that for these services he was granted a large tract land (2,000 acres) in Green River, Virginia (now in Kentucky) from King George III. 1756 June 22: Marriage, John Brisbane to Elianor Adcock. (IGI at FHC, Marriage Search, Extracted Record.) Saint Luke's Protestant Episcopal Parish, Church Hill, Queen Annes County, Maryland. Her name has been passed down by family tradition as Eliza or Elizabeth Adcock. 1757: PA Tax records of Salisbury. John Brisbin 1.00. CGC, page 26 of BRISBIN EXTRACTIONS. (CGC) 1757/8: His son William was born, Lancaster, Pennsylvania. (CGC & MBM) 1757/8: (approx) Eliza/Elizabeth/Elinor died. 1758-1760: He married Isabella Simmons (widow McNabb). Anne Futch found that she was the daughter of Samuel Simmons & Jane Stockton of Lancaster, PA. 1761 March: His son John Brisbin Jr. is born, later fought in the revolution. (GMB & DAR) In his own statement he said that he served as wagon master from 1779, during the Revolutionary War. John Brisbin's 'deponet' has a printed page #1 in the upper right hand corner and a handwritten page 69 (MBM unidentified source). I think it came from the Centre County Historical Soc. Library. The 'History of Center & Clinton Cos., PA' (Linn pg 74); John Brisbin - Revolutionary War soldier still living in 1832. He was listed as not being on the pension list. On page 184; Brisbin, John Sr, Potter, died Jan. 19, 1845 aged 72 years. Brisbin, John Jr. born Dec 30. 1776, died May 25, 1854 (I think here John Sr is John II and John Jr. is John III.) 1763 Dec 13: Indenture between John Brisbin & Isabella his wife of Lampeter, Lancaster Co., PA and Robert Thompson & William Hamilton. (AF, incomplete copy). John was paying a debt he owed to these men by giving them land. 1768 July 10: Daughter Isabella born. She would marry Robert Patterson in 1789 and die in1832. (CGC & MBM) 1770 Sept. 29; Daughter Elizabeth born. She would marry Samuel Rutherford and die in 1843. (CGC & MBM) 1770: Vol 5 Index to 1770 Tax Records, 'A New Index, PA bef the Fed. Census'; John Brisban, Lampeter, 1770. Collector for 1770. (CGC) 1771: Returns & Assessments, County of Lancaster, Lampeter twp: Jno Brisben 153 acres, 6 horses, 6 cattle, tax 1.2.6 CGC, p 26 BEX. 1772 Jul 15: John Brisbin was named guardian over three children of John McNabb; Ann McNabb had another guardian, Wm. Hamilton. On this date he signed a document as a surviving mortgagee acknowledging satisfaction as guardian of Ann McNabb, daughter of John McNabb, decd. He received from John Brisbin, share of Ann. (CGC, Lancaster County) Apparently Ann reached her majority and received her share of her father's estate. 1773 Apr 20: An indenture between John Brisbin of Lampiter, Lancaster, PA with Isabella his wife and George Graff. One of the witnesses was Jane McNabb. After 1773: Isabella died. According to George Mytinger Brisbin, Capt. John was a widower during the war. 1776 Jan 5: John Brisban, of Leacock twp, Lancaster Co, commissioned Jan 5, 1776; furloughed by Gen. Gates from Nov 25, 1776, captain in Third PA; died March 13, 1822 aged ninety-one. 'History of Lancaster Co. - Lancaster Co. in the Revolution' pg 48-49. 1776 Jan 1: Is probably NOT a marriage date for our Capt. John Brisbin. Muriel has, m Mary Elizabeth Woods 1 Jan 1776 in Philadelphia, PA. No source. Anne Futch also found the 1 Jan 1776 date. See notes below, 1776 Jan 16 & 1777 June 8. 1776 Jan 16: from PA Vital Records, no location given, a John Brisbin married Elizabeth Boyd, page 101. Carlene also found this marriage license at the Genealogical Society of PA, in the Warren S. and Josephine I. Ely Memorial Collection. It was handwritten and noted the Second Presbyterian Church. Carlene found correspondence at the Genealogical Society of PA from a woman researching Dr. John Brisbane, born in Dublin, lived in Bath & Bethlehem, PA. He was married to Elizabeth Boyd on16 Jan 1776. He died 1792 in Philadelphia. 1776-1783: John fought on the side of the Americans in the Revolutionary War. One of his brothers was on the side of the Americans and another fought with the British for General Howe in New York. Capt. John raised his company of men in Lancaster Co.. He sold his farm in Dauphin & Lebanon Cos. for the purpose. His headquarters while enlisting the men was at Harrisburg. (GMB) He was commissioned as a Captain in Col. St. Clair's Second Pennsylvania Battalion, Jan. 5, 1776. They saw service in Canada and were at Valley Forge. At the close of that campaign, he was transferred to the Third Regiment of the Pennsylvania Line until the end of the war. (N&Q) He was commanded by Col. Craig in the 3rd Regiment. Was wounded in the left leg, at the Battle of Three Rivers in Quebec. He returned home and afterwards was appointed to raise wagons for the Army. (from deponet of his son, John Brisbin) 1777 Jun 8: He is transferred to Col. Woods regiment and assigned as Wagon Master & Forage Departments. If Col. Wood is still alive on this date, then the Jan 1776 marriage date cannot be correct or Mary wasn't the wife of this Col. Wood. GMB only seemed to think that she might be. The unidentified page 60/1 with information from a Rutherford, says that she was. 1777 Jun 14: Ran for coroner and got 10 votes; the winner got 39. (CGC( 1778 June: L393T; The after named persons have taken the Oath before me John Creaig: John Brisben. Lancaster Co. Deeds (CGC). This is probably his son, John Jr. Lancaster County Historical Society, XLIII, 1939, pg 133: "Captain John Brisban's company of the Second Battalion had also men from Leacock twp ..." CGC 'History of Lancaster County', Lancaster County in the Revolution, Chapter VII, pg 49, "Many of the men of De Haas' battalion re-enlisted, forming the nucleus of the Second Pennsylvania Regiment of the Continental Line, in which was Maj. James Hamilton, of Lancaster County, in later years a resident of Charleston, SC. The Second Pennsylvania Battalion, raised under authority of a resolution of Congress, dated Dec. 9, 1775, contained one Lancaster County company, commanded by Capt. John Brisban, of Leacock twp, an officer who had seen service in the French and Indian war. The field officers of the battalion were Col. Authur St. Clair (afterwards a major general in the Revolutionary army), Lieut. Col. William Allen (promoted from captain in the First Battalion), and Maj. Joseph Wood. The adjutant was George Ross. ...Captain BRISBAN, JOHN of Leacock twp, Lancaster County, commissioned 5 Jan 1776; furloughed by Gen. Gates from Nov. 25, 1776, captain in Third Pennsylvania; died March 13, 1822, aged ninety-one." CGC (Note the mention of Maj. Joseph WOOD.) Lancaster County Historical Society, Vol 32, p 79; "The third Pennsylvania Regiment was also at Valley Forge. Its officers complained of the conditions there - Jan 4, 1778. John Brisban, of Leacock twp, Lancaster County, raised a company in 1776 and it was joined to the third, but he resigned in Sept 2, 1777, shortly before Brandywine; his company remained in the command. The other company officers...among the privates are ... McNabb, Miller, ... Moore, ... The Brisban Company was part of the second Pennsylvania Battalion under St. Clair and it fought at Lake Champlain, on the St. Lawerence and then at Ticonderoga and Crown Point and at the end of January, 1777, moved into Pennsylvania and what remained of the battalion were joined to the Third Pennsylvania Regiment." Page 86; speaks of a petition "demanding that the assembly call the whole strength of the state into the field. Signed by 48 prominent citizens, among them, ... John Brisban ... and others of similar character". (CGC) JOHN BRISBEN commissioned as Captain raised a Company, entered the service at Philadelphia for one year in March 1776 and marched with his Company under the command of Col. Arthur St. Clair to Canada. Doing duty as Captain in Battle of 'Three Rivers' in June 1776, he received a wound in his left leg. In 1777 his commission was renewed for term of War. He recruited a Company, re-entered the public service in Col. Wood's Regt. of Gen. Conway's Brigade; but in the fall of the same year, unable to do field duty, he received a furlough to visit his family in Lancaster Co. His wound rendered him unfit for active service, but he retained his commission and was placed in the wagon Master and foraging Departments to the close of the war. Historical Society of PA Article found by CGC in 'Continental Line' pg 524. (N&Q, xiv, JBR) At the close of the Rev. War he settled on his farm at Bird-in-Hand, Lancaster Co., when he was appointed collector of military fines. He was however to kind-hearted to oppress the delinquents, consequently he became responsible to the government for the amount, which resulted in Capt. Brisban becoming poor and penniless. All the papers pertaining to his military services were sent to Washington for the purpose of securing a pension , but unfortunately were lost. GMB said in his article that there was a letter from Major General Anthony Wayne, highly extolling Capt. John Brisbin's services, but that letter was taken to Washington for some purpose and never returned to him again. When GMB told his story for N&Q he still had his grandfather's notebook with receipts for collections. Lancaster County Historical Society, Vol XI, 1906-07 page 333; "...when he passed Leacock Church it was a log meeting house and John Brisbane was not yet home from the wars to display his Bird-in-Hand tavern sign; but as the traveler crossed..." CGC 1780: Vol 1 Index to 1780 Tax Records, 'New Index to Lancaster Co., PA bef. the Federal Census': John Brisbin, Lampeter, 1780 (taxable land) His occupations when not in the military, were those of farmer and inn-keeper. (CGC & MBM) 1783/84: He married Mary (Widow Wood/s), she was possibly the widow of Col. Wood, the regiment commander. 1784: a son, Samuel, was born at Bird-in-Hand, Lancaster Co., PA. Samuel was the father of George Mytinger Brisbin. 1786 April 8: Received Deed to land in Pennsborough, Cumberland Co., PA. (CGC) I suspect this is another John Brisbin, see note 1789. 1786: 'Colonial Archives' Vol 15, pg 48, PA Historical Society: Minutes of the Supreme Executive Council; "The Council met. Philadelphia, Friday, July 7th, 1786. Present: His Excellency BENJAMIN FRANKLIN, Esq., President. The Hon. Charles Biddle, Esq, Vice President. Henry Hill, Samuel Dean, John Boyd and John Neville, Esquires. ... The petition of John Brisbane, a delinquent Collector of Taxes, for the township of Lampeter and County of Lancaster, was read, and rejected." (CGC) 1786 Aug 7: An indenture between John Brisbin & his wife Mary, and George Bressler. It appears that John & Mary are selling land inherited by his previous wife, Isabella, from her first husband, John McNabb. John McNabb's father, William, had willed it to him. (AF, incomplete copy) The land is located in Lampeter on the Great Road between Lancaster and Philadelphia. 1789 Sep 18: "Yeoman John Brisban and his wife Elizabeth of Point Township, County of Northumberland" sold property acquired in 1786 in Mahoning Twp. to Thomas Wright of Plumstead twp in Bucks Co.. The property was granted to John Brisban by "patent bearing date of the 8th of April 1786". The transfer was made the 18 Sept 1789 and recorded 10 March 1790." (CGC) By this date our Capt. John Brisbin is married to Mary Wood, although Muriel refers to her as Mary Elizabeth. See marriages 1/16 Jan 1776. I suspect that this could be the John Brisbin married to Elizabeth Boyd. 1790: Census has 3 John Brisbins: 1) Harrisburg, Dauphin County; 1 male, +16, 1 male -16; 3 females, 1 slave: 2) Dauphin County; 3 males +16, 2 males -16, 5 females: 3) Salisbury, Lancaster County; 4 males +16, 3 males -16, 6 females, 1 slave. 1800: Census index only shows one John Brisbin in PA, in Centre Co., I'm sure it is his son, John Jr. 1810: Census index shows 4 John Brisbins; Mifflin, Lancaster, Centre, and Chester. ++++No Year, April 30: Photocopy of handwritten letter in the possession of Muriel Brisbin Morrison as of Feb 1997. "Loving son and Daughter thes comes with a fatherley Love and regard to you hopin thes will find you all in good helth I rite to you with sorey of hart to lete you kow that yore Brother James is dede he depart this life the fiftenth of this month april I hve had sore sicknss this winter I bles god for his marces I ame gote beter youre Brothers corpes wase bured in the desents mener by his brothr inla and his ante margaret Rutherford all frendes hear is well Samul and betey and ante sends ther Love to you all give my kind Love to all your femley I ad no mor at present by Remends your loving Father John Brisban Envelope: /Harrisburg ap 30/ To Mr John Brisban in kishey kockes vealey To the keare of Robarte devson in Luestown thes / PAID 10" This letter from Capt. John in Harrisburg to John Jr. in Kishacoquilles Valley could have been written after 1815 and before Capt. John died in 1822. We are uncertain about the brother James mentioned in it. 1820: Census index shows 2 John Brisben's, 1 in Centre & 1 in Westmoreland. There is also a John Brisbell in Lebanon. Capt John may be living by now with his son-in-law Sam Rutherford. 1822 Mar 13: Captain John died, age 91, he had been living in the household of his daughter and son-in-law, Elizabeth and Samuel Rutherford. He is buried in the Paxtang-Derry Presbyterian Church Cemetery in Paxtang-Derry, Dauphin Co., PA (near Harrisburg). Located on Brisban Street. 1822: From The Lancaster County Historical Society XXXIV 1930, pg 147: Revolutionary Soldiers and Patriots, 7. BRISBIN, JOHN Lancaster Intelligencer, Saturday, March 30th, 1822: "Died on the 20th inst., at the dwelling house of his son-in-law, Mr. Samuel Rutherford, in Swatara twp, Capt. John Brisbin, aged 92 years. Capt. Brisbin was an active and useful officer in our Revolutionary War." CGC Anne Futch has a one page biography of Capt. John sent to her by the Paxtang Church, Harrisburg, where he is buried. It gives no source. List of the children of Capt John Brisbane: By his first wife: Isabella Simmons McNabb: John Brisbane, Agnes Brisbane Rutherford m Samuel Rutherford, and Elizabeth Brisbane. By his second wife: Mary ____: George Brisbane, Jacob Brisbane, John Brisbane, and Elizabeth Brisbane. Marriages by Rev. John Elder: 1772, 2 Jan - Margaret Brisban and James Rutherford. [I think there are errors.] Carlene found a handwritten note in a book at the PA Historical Society in Philadelphia. It was a family 'tree' outline showing two Brisbin brothers and their families: Wm. Brisbin b no date given; d no date given; m Elizabeth Watson 13 Mar 1764 St. James Church Lancaster. Capt. John Brisbin m1) blank; m2) Isabella (Simmons) McNabb Proved 1747; m3) Mary (blank) Wood. The following children were listed for Capt. John: Arthur; James; Isabella m Robert Patterson; Elizabeth m John B. Rutherford; John b 1760; (and a note here above the next two, '3 wife') Samuel b 1784, d 1852 at Pittsburgh, m 1814; and Julia. Below Samuel were children: John; Jacob M.; Mary; William; George M; Anna Elizabeth; Sevris; Juliana; and Samuel R. Carlene sent a copy of this to Muriel to see what she thought of it. Muriel clarified the name 'Sevris' as Louis. Muriel also said that she was pleased to see Arthur on this chart, he went to Cumberland Co. and finally Westmoreland. I think it is also nice to see James accounted for. The big question is; Where is our William?

Does anyone have information on the father of Robert Brisbin, According to the Mormon records he was born 18 Aug 1809 in Clinton, New York Died 19 Nov 1876. He Married a Phebe Call of Essex County New York. I am trying to track this line back. Many thanks George B.

One day about 15 years ago I spent a day in the Lib of Congress reading different sources about Brisbins. There is an old book there that outlines a revolutionary War Brisbin that tried to serve and was sent home because of wounds. In this account the man was wounded in the French and Indian War serving the King of England and never healed properly from those wounds. He was granted 5000 acres in Virginia as payment for his service to the King Which later he sold and expanded his Pennsylvania.. So far this sounds like the Captain James that has been much referenced lately. At this point what I have read on this list diverges from what I have read in the book. After being sent home he was made collector of war taxes. He did not collect taxes from all but paid the taxes for the women who were really strapped for money whose husbands were off in the war or had been killed. He had recruited many of these men. The total tax for the war effort was correct. Just the wrong person paid the tax. For this he lost everything and spent the rest of his life living as a pauper with his daughter. She appealed his case to congress several times and was finally successful in some exoneration for his actions and in the early 1800's he began to receive a very small pension. He never recovered financially and died in his daughters home about 1815-1820. Unfortunately, at that time I was chasing the New York Brisbins and did not take down reference notes to this source. Since I am not too far from DC and have a daughter up in that area, I could go to visit and do a day or so of hunting. This I will gladly do at some time if this story seems to be enough different so as to warrant the chase. I am sorry I did not reference the information at the time but then I wasn't not researching as much as reading and learning. George

Hi Gang, Below you will find some info that was sent to me by way of another Surname list I am on. I thought it was interesting. I am not sure of it's accuracy, but it would sure be worth investigating if you had relatives just drop with no trace. It is best viewed on full page layout. Hope it helps someone. Later, Judy _______________________________________________________________________________ "In case you ever wondered why a large number of your ancestors disappeared during a certain period in history, this might help. Epidemics have always had a great influence on people - and thus influencing, as well, the genealogists trying to trace them. Many cases of people disappearing from records can be traced to dying during an epidemic or moving away from the affected area. Some of the major epidemics in the United States are listed below. 1657 Boston: Measles 1687 Boston: Measles 1690 New York: Yellow Fever 1713 Boston: Measles 1729 Boston: Measles 1732-33 Worldwide: Influenza 1738 South Carolina: Smallpox 1739-40 Boston: Measles 1747 Conn, NY, PA & SC: Measles 1759 North America (areas inhabited by white people): Measles 1761 North America & West Indies: Influenza 1772 North America: Measles 1775 North America (especially hard in New England): Epidemic (unknown) 1775-76 Worldwide: Influenza (one of worst flu epidemics) 1788 Philadelphia & NY: Measles 1793 Vermont: Influenza and a "putrid fever" 1793 Virginia: Influenza (killed 500 people in 5 counties in 4 weeks) 1793 Philadelphia: Yellow Fever (one of worst) 1783* Delaware (Dover) "extremely fatal" bilious disorder 1793 Pennsylvania (Harrisburg & Middletown) many unexplained deaths 1794 Philadelphia: Yellow Fever 1796-97 Philadelphia: Yellow Fever 1798 Philadelphia: Yellow Fever (one of worst) 1803 New York: Yellow Fever 1820-23 Nationwide: "fever" (starts on Schuylkill River, PA & spreads) 1831-32 Nationwide: Asiatic Cholera (brought by English emigrants) 1832 New York & other major cities: Cholera 1837 Philadelphia: Typhus 1841 Nationwide: Yellow Fever (especially severe in South) 1847 New Orleans: Yellow Fever 1847-48 Worldwide: Influenza 1848-49 North America: Cholera 1850 Nationwide: Yellow Fever 1850-51 North America: Influenza 1852 Nationwide: Yellow Fever (New Orleans 8,000 die in summer) 1855 Nationwide (many parts) Yellow Fever 1857-59 Worldwide: Influenza (one of disease's greatest epidemics) 1860-61 Pennsylvania: Smallpox 1865-73 Philadelphia, NY, Boston, New Orleans, Baltimore, Memphis & Washington DC: A series of recurring epidemics of Smallpox, Cholera, Typhus, Typhoid, Scarlet Fever & Yellow Fever 1873-75 North America & Europe: Influenza 1878 New Orleans: Yellow Fever (last great epidemic of disease) 1885 Plymouth, PA: Typhoid 1886 Jacksonville, FL: Yellow Fever 1918 Worldwide: Influenza (high point year) More people hospitalized in World War I from Influenza than wounds. US Army training camps became death camps - with 80% death rate in some camps. Finally, these specific instances of cholera were mentioned: 1833 Columbus, OH 1834 New York City 1849 New York 1851 Coles Co, IL 1851 The Great Plains 1851 Missouri _________________ > Good luck in your quest, > Yvonne, List Administrator > ****** > Yvonne James-Henderson, Burke, VA > NC USGenWeb Archive Manager > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/nc/ncfiles.htm > ****** > My Family Discussion Lists: BALLEAU BRISBIN COOKSEY HITT > HORN KENTON LAWSON LUCKY MORROW SWEET ZIMMERMAN > Also researching JAMES/WRIGHT/WALLACE/WOODS/GALBRAITH/EATON/ > DRAKE/FORSYTHE/WALKER/RUSSELL/DAVIS/BOOKOUT/BARNEY/REYNOLDS/ > BUMP/HENDERSON and more! > > God gave us memory so that we might have roses in December.

Hi Anne and All, I always thought that Muriel had a letter from Mrs. Zeigler herself, but now I sure wonder. Muriel told me once not too long ago that she is really sorry she didn't keep better track of sources. She and her sister traveled from California to Pennsylvania, Kentucky, and Illinois searching for our John Brisbin and his relatives. Making several trips in fact. They had the BEST time. But, they were so excited by the 'thrill of the hunt' that they just didn't think of the future. Carlene and I spent a year looking for some of the same sources she found because she didn't write down where they were. I have pages of photocopied material with no source given, mostly Egle's Notes & Queries articles and things she copied in the Centre County Library. She told me that she found deeds in Kentucky by our John's brother William. She hasn't sent copies to me, if she made them. And, I have no idea where they are. Frustrating, but I guess there is a good lesson to be learned here. I make mistakes too, but I sure give it a try! Yesterday, John Brisbin in Florida called me. He is a great-grandson of James Sanks Brisbin and I understand he has talked to about everyone. I encouraged him to get a computer! Lyn, thanks for giving him my address. He will be sending me copies of his information. Sure sounds like a nice man, well, I suppose with the name John Brisbin he couldn't go wrong! Jackie

Jackie & all; The information from Elizabeth Zeigler is word for word what Miller wrote in the Barr-Brisbin book. Was that Muriel's source or was Muriel, Dwight Miller's source. The book was published in 1973. Anne ---------- > From: Jacqueline Marshall <jmarshal@jlc.net> > To: BRISBIN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Margaret Brisbin > Date: Thursday, February 19, 1998 9:05 AM > > Hi Anne & Everybody, > I'm a little confused about Margaret. Margaret Brisbin m to James > Rutherford was Capt. John's sister. But, the 1753 date does seem a > little late for a sister, not impossible, but improbable. I have it > entered it for her though. I do not show a daughter named Margaret for > Capt. John. But, Isabella his second wife has a daughter Margaret (b > 1752-1757). Capt. John was appointed guardian to three of Isabella's > children. Margaret would have been one of them. I do not have a marriage > for Margaret McNabb. Here are my notes for Margaret Brisbin. > Jackie > > MARGARET BRISBIN RUTHERFORD: > Muriel Morrison received this information from Elizabeth Zeigler of > Pittsburg, PA, a descendant of Capt. John Brisbin: "John emigrated to > America with an elder brother, William, and a sister, Jannett. Evidently > their parents didn't come with them, as John returned to Ireland > sometime after the French-Indian War to bring his sister, Margaret, to > America, possibly due to the death of the parents." > > 2 Jan 1772: Marriage, Margaret Brisbin to James Rutherford, recorded by > Rev. John Elder at the Paxton Church of Harrisburg, PA. Sent by Anne > Futch. > From Egle's Notes & Queries, 1898 p 37-41:'Uncle Jimmy'(Rutherford) > left no descendants. "...wife, Margaret Brisban, sister of that > distinguished soldier of the Pensylvania Line, Captain John Brisban, and > who was in her own personality, a notable woman, one who was able to > make herself felt wherever she was, and to express herself in language > which cannot be paraphrased, and who, according to tradition, has the > distinction of having been the only woman ever initiated into the > mysteries of Free Masonry, and ever after was a living refutation of > that miserable slander on the sex which says 'a woman cannot keep a > secret'." > > > ==== BRISBIN Mailing List ==== > 2,500 Discussion Lists!!! USGenWeb and The USGenWeb Archives! > Special thanks to go to RootsWeb,your generous donations to > RootsWeb makes this all possible. Find out more! > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222

Hi Jackie & all, Jackie wrote; > You are so right, various versions of this story keep popping up. Here > is the article written by George Mytinger Brisbin. Anne, is William in > this article the one you asked me about? I have never placed him. Does > anybody know? > Jackie Yes this is the William I was asking you about and here's another William. From Barr-Brisbin book info I sent today "William Brisban, the brother, married Elizabeth Watson of Donegal Church. In 1780 he appears in a list of taxpayers of Salisbury Township, Lancaster., (242 acres, value 10'480 lbs.) His son William was a member the Pennsylvania Legislature 1802, 3, 4. Are they one and the same? Are we still havin fun? :-) Anne ---------- > From: Jacqueline Marshall <jmarshal@jlc.net> > To: oldsalt@pilot.infi.net > Cc: BRISBIN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Loyalist Brother of Capt. John & William > Date: Thursday, February 19, 1998 11:46 AM > > Hi George & everybody, > You are so right, various versions of this story keep popping up. Here > is the article written by George Mytinger Brisbin. Anne, is William in > this article the one you asked me about? I have never placed him. Does > anybody know? > Jackie > > George Mytinger Brisbin sent the following information to 'Notes & > Queries Historical and Genealogical' Vol I, page 93. Edited by William > Henry Egle, M.D. M.A. it is an old Pennsylvania genealogy periodical > mostly relating to Interior PA. I have a photocopy of the article sent > by Muriel Brisbin Morrison in 1982. Anne Futch sites the date as > 1899:95. Muriel says that the village of Brisbin, PA is named for George > Mytinger Brisbin. > > Page 94, 'Notes and Queries': "Captain John Brisbin of the Revolution - > (The following communication came into our hands a number of years ago. > The writer was George Mytinger Brisbin, Esq., of Osceola Mills, PA. > Accompanying was the roll of Capt. Brisbin's company, but as this is > published in the History of the Pennsylvania Line in the Revolution, > does not occasion its reproduction here. There are some points, however, > in the letter which are interesting, and hence given. > In compliance with the promise I made you I have carefully copied the > names from my grandfather's roll book, and forwarded them to you. There > is some explanation which I deem necessary and will endeavor to make. > Many of the names are spelled in different ways, where they occur in > different places in the book. Grandfather spells his sometimes Brisben, > and again Brisbin. I think he was unsettled about that time, as to the > spelling of Brisbin. He was from Scotland, and the name in Scotland is > spelled "Brisbane", where the title is still in existance. Dr. William > Brisbane of Philadelphia, is my authority for the Scotch way of spelling > the name. While in Europe he visited Scotland, and had a copy of the > "Brisbane" coat of arms taken, and brought it home. Dr. Brisbane, I > believe, is the son of William Brisbin, who was the son of grandfather. > I have frequently heard my father say, many years ago, that his father > and a brother came to this country together; another brother held a > commission in the English army; that the two brothers at once espouced > the Revolutionary cause and entered the army; the third brother was with > Gen. Howe, at New York, and whenever the opportunity offered showed his > tyranny over those he termed "rebbles". This fact becoming known to the > "rebble" brothers, they determined to alter the manner of spelling the > name, that their descendants might never have the sins of the tyrannical > brother to answer for - hense "Brisbin". Grandfather had been in the > English army before the Revolution, but what service he rendered I never > knew, but he had a large land grant from George III, which was located > on Green River, Kentucky, but during the war his papers became > scattered, the land was monopolized by strangers and lost to him. ... > General St. Clair's name is frequently made mention of in the > accounts of the soldiers, from which I infer the regiment was in his > immediate comand, although my father at one time had a letter from Maj. > Gen. Anthony Wayne, highly extoling, Captain John Brisbin's services, > but that letter was taken to Washington for some purpose and never > returned to him again. > Grandfather raised his company in Lancaster County - disposing of his > farm for the purpose - which, I believe, at that time included the > territory now covered by Dauphin and Lebanon Counties. His headquarters > while enlisting the company was at Harrisburg, although his home was > afterwards at Bird-in-Hand, where my father was born in 1784, after the > war was over, of course, and where grandfather married again, for the > third time. He was a widower during the war. His third wife was a widow > named Wood, who was my father's mother - whether she was the widow of > the Col Wood, who commanded the regiment, I have forgottenif I ever was > informed, but somehow it occurs to me she was. > I have copied a receipt which is in the book of one of the soldiers, > a copy, I suppose, of the many given. It is as follows: > April 10th, 1777 "This is to certify that I have received from Capt. > John Brisbin, of Col. Wood's regiment, in full of all demands, as wages > for my services in said regiment, as witness my hand. Hugh Reed. Attest > - A. Steel." > Grandfather had gone into the continental service in easy > circumstances and come out of it poor, and long after the war was over > he was harrassed by creditors, from whom he had gotten supplies for his > company, but before he died he had paid everything. A copy of a letter > which is qreserved in this book will serve to illustrate what I have > asserted. It is as follows, to wit: > "Mill Creek, Jan'y 12th, 1783. Sir: I just now received your letter > concerning the tow steers I bought from John Logan. I bought them for > nine pound, Congress money, in the year 1777, the 12 day of July. You > wrote to me I bought them in the year 1776. Sir, I was in Canada that > year. I have sent the depreciation of nine pound by John Craige, Esq., > which was three for one. If you find any error in it, send me word by > John Craige, and your receipt for the money. I am, with respect, your > humble servant, John Brisbin. Mr. Daniel Climer." > This book, made up of the stamp paper, is in a dilapatted and torn > condition, as it naturally should be, after having been carried and used > nightly, from camp to camp all through the eight years' war of the > Revolution, and handled since then for a hundred years, but there is > still enough of it left, strange to say, to make it a very desireable > relic for those interested. > John Brisbin, a son of Capt. John's, was also a soldier of the > Revolution. He settled in Centre County and some of his descendants are > residing there now. > Capt, John Brisbin is buried in old Paxtang churchyard. The > inscription on the stone is as follows: CAPT. JOHN BRISBAN, Soldier of > the Revolution, Who Departed This Life, March 13, 1822, Aged 91 years. > G.M.B." > > > ==== BRISBIN Mailing List ==== > List problems? First, read the Welcome Message that you received > when you subscribed. Feel free to contact Yvonne James-Henderson, > list administrator with questions concerning this list! > mailto:hen1@idt.net > >

From the Barr - Brisbin book by Dwight Miller Brisban notes written by Elizabeth Ziegler of Pittsburgh, a descendant, says, "John Brisban emigrated to America with an older brother, William, and sister, Janette. Evidently their parents did not come with them, as John returned to Ireland some time after the French and Indian War to bring his Margaret to America, possibly due to the death of the parents. "William Brisban, the brother, married Elizabeth Watson of Donegal Church. In 1780 he appears in a list of taxpayers of Salisbury Township, Lancaster., (242 acres, value 10'480 lbs.) His son William was a member the Pennsylvania Legislature 1802, 3, 4. "Janette m William Boyd of Derry. In May 1800 William Boyd died leaving, according to his will, his wife, Janette, and the following children: James, John, who had a soon, William; Janette m to a Mr. Moore; Mary m to Mr. Strawbridge; Margaret m to a Mr. Williams and William who had a son William. The Boyd's of Harrisburg are descended from this family. "Margaret m James Rutherford in the church at Paxtang and had several children. She was evidently a woman of decisive character as several incidents told about her reveal. In the Lancaster. In the Lancaster County Historical Journal it tells that during some trouble with marauding Indians, one was shot in front of her house. Ignoring the danger, she rushed from the house and dragged him from the yard. She nursed him back to health, thereby saving the Rutherford farm from further depredations." "Captain John Brisban m Isabella Simmons, widow of John McNabb sometime after Feb. 1757 and before Jan. 1763. There were at least three children of this marriage; John, Isabella, and Elizabeth. Isabella Brisban was born on July 10, 1768. She was m on Jun 23, 1789 to Robert Patterson in the Hanover Church by the Rev. James Snodgrass. The young couple set out for the West with a group of people from the Lebanon Church who moved to Mifflin Township, Allegheny Co., founded a Lebanon Church Road Church (which is still extant) and settled at Cochran's Landing, now South Duquesne, PA. "Another dau, Elizabeth, was b to John and Isabella Sept. 29, 1770. There is an interesting story in a letter about Elizabeth and her Aunt Margaret Rutherford. How old she was when her mother died is not known. Certainly she was only a little girl when her father m widow Mary Woods. Upon this occasion, Margaret mounted her horse and paid a visit to her brother's establishment, bringing home the youngest child whom she raised as her own, and who afterward m Samuel Rutherford, James's brother (Egle in "PA genealogies - Rutherford of Paxtang" says Samuel was a son of John, James' brother. If so Samuel would have been James; nephew).The little girl, Elizabeth was grieved at parting with her sister Isabella and cried when she and Aunt Peggy rode away." I do not have the Barr - Brisbin book but copied all the Brisbin pages in it. There are so many inconsistencies in what has been written about the immigrant Brisbins. Dwight Miller offers very few sources of his work. William Egle's work seems more proof oriented. Dwight Miller says James Rutherford and Margaret Brisbin had children; Egle says there were "no issue". Maybe some day we'll figure all this out. Thanks Doug for the cemetery info. Anne Futch

Hi George & everybody, You are so right, various versions of this story keep popping up. Here is the article written by George Mytinger Brisbin. Anne, is William in this article the one you asked me about? I have never placed him. Does anybody know? Jackie George Mytinger Brisbin sent the following information to 'Notes & Queries Historical and Genealogical' Vol I, page 93. Edited by William Henry Egle, M.D. M.A. it is an old Pennsylvania genealogy periodical mostly relating to Interior PA. I have a photocopy of the article sent by Muriel Brisbin Morrison in 1982. Anne Futch sites the date as 1899:95. Muriel says that the village of Brisbin, PA is named for George Mytinger Brisbin. Page 94, 'Notes and Queries': "Captain John Brisbin of the Revolution - (The following communication came into our hands a number of years ago. The writer was George Mytinger Brisbin, Esq., of Osceola Mills, PA. Accompanying was the roll of Capt. Brisbin's company, but as this is published in the History of the Pennsylvania Line in the Revolution, does not occasion its reproduction here. There are some points, however, in the letter which are interesting, and hence given. In compliance with the promise I made you I have carefully copied the names from my grandfather's roll book, and forwarded them to you. There is some explanation which I deem necessary and will endeavor to make. Many of the names are spelled in different ways, where they occur in different places in the book. Grandfather spells his sometimes Brisben, and again Brisbin. I think he was unsettled about that time, as to the spelling of Brisbin. He was from Scotland, and the name in Scotland is spelled "Brisbane", where the title is still in existance. Dr. William Brisbane of Philadelphia, is my authority for the Scotch way of spelling the name. While in Europe he visited Scotland, and had a copy of the "Brisbane" coat of arms taken, and brought it home. Dr. Brisbane, I believe, is the son of William Brisbin, who was the son of grandfather. I have frequently heard my father say, many years ago, that his father and a brother came to this country together; another brother held a commission in the English army; that the two brothers at once espouced the Revolutionary cause and entered the army; the third brother was with Gen. Howe, at New York, and whenever the opportunity offered showed his tyranny over those he termed "rebbles". This fact becoming known to the "rebble" brothers, they determined to alter the manner of spelling the name, that their descendants might never have the sins of the tyrannical brother to answer for - hense "Brisbin". Grandfather had been in the English army before the Revolution, but what service he rendered I never knew, but he had a large land grant from George III, which was located on Green River, Kentucky, but during the war his papers became scattered, the land was monopolized by strangers and lost to him. ... General St. Clair's name is frequently made mention of in the accounts of the soldiers, from which I infer the regiment was in his immediate comand, although my father at one time had a letter from Maj. Gen. Anthony Wayne, highly extoling, Captain John Brisbin's services, but that letter was taken to Washington for some purpose and never returned to him again. Grandfather raised his company in Lancaster County - disposing of his farm for the purpose - which, I believe, at that time included the territory now covered by Dauphin and Lebanon Counties. His headquarters while enlisting the company was at Harrisburg, although his home was afterwards at Bird-in-Hand, where my father was born in 1784, after the war was over, of course, and where grandfather married again, for the third time. He was a widower during the war. His third wife was a widow named Wood, who was my father's mother - whether she was the widow of the Col Wood, who commanded the regiment, I have forgottenif I ever was informed, but somehow it occurs to me she was. I have copied a receipt which is in the book of one of the soldiers, a copy, I suppose, of the many given. It is as follows: April 10th, 1777 "This is to certify that I have received from Capt. John Brisbin, of Col. Wood's regiment, in full of all demands, as wages for my services in said regiment, as witness my hand. Hugh Reed. Attest - A. Steel." Grandfather had gone into the continental service in easy circumstances and come out of it poor, and long after the war was over he was harrassed by creditors, from whom he had gotten supplies for his company, but before he died he had paid everything. A copy of a letter which is qreserved in this book will serve to illustrate what I have asserted. It is as follows, to wit: "Mill Creek, Jan'y 12th, 1783. Sir: I just now received your letter concerning the tow steers I bought from John Logan. I bought them for nine pound, Congress money, in the year 1777, the 12 day of July. You wrote to me I bought them in the year 1776. Sir, I was in Canada that year. I have sent the depreciation of nine pound by John Craige, Esq., which was three for one. If you find any error in it, send me word by John Craige, and your receipt for the money. I am, with respect, your humble servant, John Brisbin. Mr. Daniel Climer." This book, made up of the stamp paper, is in a dilapatted and torn condition, as it naturally should be, after having been carried and used nightly, from camp to camp all through the eight years' war of the Revolution, and handled since then for a hundred years, but there is still enough of it left, strange to say, to make it a very desireable relic for those interested. John Brisbin, a son of Capt. John's, was also a soldier of the Revolution. He settled in Centre County and some of his descendants are residing there now. Capt, John Brisbin is buried in old Paxtang churchyard. The inscription on the stone is as follows: CAPT. JOHN BRISBAN, Soldier of the Revolution, Who Departed This Life, March 13, 1822, Aged 91 years. G.M.B."

Hi Everyone, I have the Census CD indexes and just checked the 1840 for Arthur Brisbin. Here is what they have: Jackie [Brxderbund Family Archive #316, Ed. 1, Census Index: U.S. Selected Counties, 1840, Date of Import: 19 Feb 1998, Internal Ref. #1.316.1.1374.31] Individual: Brisborn, Arthur County/State: Hamilton Co., OH Location: Crosby Twp Page #: 378 Year: 1840 For the first name in this entry, the person who indexed the record was uncertain about the transcription due to difficulties in deciphering the original records.

Hi Everyone, I have a little about this Arthur Brisbin, think there were two of them, naturally. I was doing a lot of 'thinking on keyboard' in these notes, so nothing is in concrete! As you can see most of the dates are estimates. Jackie NOTES ARTHUR BRISBIN This Family Group Sheet information came from Muriel Morrison, who put it together from his will. I do not know where she got the birth date. The census information is from Anne Futch, found in a census index. The birth date and the census information make me think there are 2 Arthur Brisbins. 26 Oct 1785: born Murraysville, Westmoreland Co., Pa; Parents unknown at this time. CENSUS: 1790 Cumberland Co., Arthur Brisbin, 2 males over 16 years; 3 males under 16 years; 5 females. 1800 Westmoreland Co., p 116 1810 Westmoreland Co., p 125 1830 Allegheny Co., 2 Arthur Brisbins, p 197 & 196 (could be continued?) 1840 not listed 1846 Nov 2: Will filed, Westmoreland Co., PA; listing children as on the family group sheet, Obidiah & Samuel are minors. He has sons John & William. I would like to see this will. Muriel put John & William on top of the list, was that because they are the oldest or that she was thinking about them? They are adults born before 1826. Here is some thinking: IF John & William were the first two children born to this couple and IF the children were born about every two years, then they would have been born before 1812. That's about 1800 and 1810. Therefore, they are too young to be my John & brother William who went west. I wonder when the will was actually written? The first names of the females in this family are interesting. They are definatly family names. Margaret was also the name of Capt. John & Capt. William's sister; Eliza & Elizabeth are names I have seen for the first wife of Capt. John; Isabelle was the name of his second wife; and Mary was the name of his third wife. Interesting, but also very common names. The Arthur of this will could be the son of the Arthur of the 1790 census. Could he be a grandson of Capt John? If the birth date is correct he died at about age 61. The Arthur Brisbin in the 1790 census looks like an older established family. It is impossible that the birth date above is his. He has to have been married at least 16 years to have all these children and that means he has to be a minimum of 36 years old. That makes him born before 1754. In 1754 Captian John was married to his first wife, Eliza (Ellinor) Adcock. But we only have one child listed from that marriage, and even he (William) isn't always listed (or this first marriage for that matter). Also this theory is using very minimum numbers. I really think he was born at least several years before 1754. He could be a brother, son, cousin, or nephew of any of the early immigrant Brisbins, Capt. John, Capt. William, doubtfully the loyalist Hugh, or the James who died in Westmoreland Co. in 1779. 2 males +16 = Head of household b before 1754 and 1 son b before 1774 3 males -16 = 3 sons b between 1774 and 1790 5 females = Wife and 4 daughters (or wife, 3 daughters, & grandmother?) Here there are 4 sons. It's possible that one of them is named Arthur and could be 5 years old. Descendants of Arthur Brisbin 1 Arthur Brisbin b: 26 Oct 1785 Murraysville, Westmoreland Co., PA d: 1846 Puckety Church, Westmoreland Co., PA .+Elizabeth ??? m: 1805-1810 2 Anna Brisbin b: 1806-1826 Westmoreland Co., PA ? .... +James McKean 2 Eliza Brisbin b: 1806-1826 Westmoreland Co., PA ? .... +James Heron 2 Ellinor Brisbin b: 1806-1826 Westmoreland Co., PA ? .... +William Dennin 2 Isabelle Brisbin b: 1806-1826 Westmoreland Co., PA ? .... +William Dunn 2 John Brisbin b: 1806-1826 Westmoreland Co., PA ? 2 Margaret Brisbin b: 1806-1826 Westmoreland Co., PA ? .... +Harrison H. Harvey 2 Mary Jane Brisbin b: 1806-1826 Westmoreland Co., PA ? 2 Nancy Brisbin b: 1806-1826 Westmoreland Co., PA ? d: Bef. 1846 .... +??? Elliott ... 3 Arthur Elliott ... 3 Oliver Elliott 2 William Brisbin b: 1806-1826 Westmoreland Co., PA ? 2 Obidiah Brisbin b: 1826-1836 Westmoreland Co., PA ? 2 Samuel Brisbin b: 1826-1836 Westmoreland Co., PA ?

Hi Anne & Everybody, I'm a little confused about Margaret. Margaret Brisbin m to James Rutherford was Capt. John's sister. But, the 1753 date does seem a little late for a sister, not impossible, but improbable. I have it entered it for her though. I do not show a daughter named Margaret for Capt. John. But, Isabella his second wife has a daughter Margaret (b 1752-1757). Capt. John was appointed guardian to three of Isabella's children. Margaret would have been one of them. I do not have a marriage for Margaret McNabb. Here are my notes for Margaret Brisbin. Jackie MARGARET BRISBIN RUTHERFORD: Muriel Morrison received this information from Elizabeth Zeigler of Pittsburg, PA, a descendant of Capt. John Brisbin: "John emigrated to America with an elder brother, William, and a sister, Jannett. Evidently their parents didn't come with them, as John returned to Ireland sometime after the French-Indian War to bring his sister, Margaret, to America, possibly due to the death of the parents." 2 Jan 1772: Marriage, Margaret Brisbin to James Rutherford, recorded by Rev. John Elder at the Paxton Church of Harrisburg, PA. Sent by Anne Futch. From Egle's Notes & Queries, 1898 p 37-41:'Uncle Jimmy'(Rutherford) left no descendants. "...wife, Margaret Brisban, sister of that distinguished soldier of the Pensylvania Line, Captain John Brisban, and who was in her own personality, a notable woman, one who was able to make herself felt wherever she was, and to express herself in language which cannot be paraphrased, and who, according to tradition, has the distinction of having been the only woman ever initiated into the mysteries of Free Masonry, and ever after was a living refutation of that miserable slander on the sex which says 'a woman cannot keep a secret'."