This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dklart Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/158.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: They didn't disappear after 1930. You have to get more creative as the 1930 census is the last one published until 2012 when we'll see the 1940. The records (below, all from Ancestry.com databases) are for the family you're researching, correct? The records differ in birth places you note in your post. >Betty was born abt 1884 in Russia and Frank was born abt 1881 in Michigan<. These records have Betty b, NY and Frank b. Indiana. Betty was the mother of 4 children, 3 by her 1st marriage and 1 by her 2nd marriage. You didn't mention the daughter, Isabelle (b 1920) of Frank and Betty (who were most likely married in 1918, I would venture in Flint). Frank's mother, Isabelle, died in 1934 in Flint. All these details of others helps find info on the principles. Isabelle (the daughter) is your direct ancestor, correct? I would guess she had the closest connection with her parents, being the only female daughter of Betty, the only child of Frank and the youngest. Where was she living in 1950? You may not have access to the records, but you did say you searched city directories. These are from Ancestry.com databases. Polk's Flint (Genesee County, Mich.) City Directory Frank C (Betty S) PIERCE 1939, 1941, "clk (indicating he is a clerk) h213 Page (home address is 213 Page St, Flint) 1942 Frank was the head stockman for Kresge's, same addr. 1945 he was the elevator man @ Kresge's. 1946, same address and position @ Kresge's. 1947 same postion @ Kresge's, new address: 413 11th Ave. 1949, Frank is listed alone, same address as 1947. My guess would be that Betty passed away in Flint btw 1947-49. There is a death record listing for a Betty S Pierce, d 21 Nov 1950. http://www.co.genesee.mi.us/vitalrec/SimpleQuery.asp. The 1950 Directory stops @ the letter J. My guess would be that Frank passed in Flint after 1950, considering his age and the passing of wife there, but I would also be looking where the daughter, Isabelle (Pierce) Hinds was between 1950-60. I would venture there would be obits for both of these individuals. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mifgs/cemindex/cemindex.html. I would also get one for the mother, Isabelle Pierce. There's a link to the obit request application in the page. You have enough info to make a search possible. You can request death certs: http://www.co.genesee.mi.us/clerk/genealogy.htm. Or check out RAOGK and see if there's a volunteer in the area that might give you a hand with records you won't find on the internet. ========================================================= 1930 United States Federal Census Name: Frank C Pierce Home in 1930: Flint, Genesee, Michigan Age: 47 Estimated birth year: abt 1883 Birthplace: Indiana Relation to Head of House: Head Mother's Name: Isabelle Pierce Spouse's name: Betty S Pierce Household Members: Name Age Frank C Pierce 47 Betty S Pierce 44 (b New York) Isabelle Pierce 9 (b Michigan) Isabelle Pierce 78 (b Indiana) Gerald Greenlick 22 (step-son, b New Jersey) ======================================================= 1920 United States Federal Census Name: Betty S Greenlick Home in 1920: Flint Ward 1, Genesee, Michigan Age: 34 Estimated birth year: abt 1886 Birthplace: New York Relation to Head of House: Self (Head) Father's Birth Place: Russia Mother's Birth Place: Russia Marital Status: Widowed Household Members: Name Age Betty S Greenlick 34 Emanuel Greenlick 13 Gerald Greenlick 12 Alexander L Greenlick 9 ========================================================== 1900 United States Federal Census Name: Francis Pierce Home in 1900: Ward, Randolph, Indiana Age: 17 Birth Date: Feb 1883 Birthplace: Indiana Race: White Gender: Male Relationship to Head of House: Son Father's Name: Daniel M Pierce Father's Birthplace: Indiana Mother's Name: Isabel Pierce Mother's Birthplace: Indiana Marital Status: Single Household Members: Name Age Daniel M Pierce 49 Isabel Pierce 47 Francis Pierce 17 ======================================================== World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 Name: Frank Pierce City: Flint County: Genesee State: Michigan Birth Date: 16 Feb 1883 ======================================================= This was, by definition, not a brick wall. All resources are not on the internet and many on the internet are not free. That's why others' like to know what resources you're using. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.