This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: lewisreay2 Surnames: Moir Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/147/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am having difficulty finding John Moir b. 1838 d. 1906, shoemaker married to Ellen White b. 1848 They had 7 children: Nellie, Amy Julia, Augustus Ernest, William, Ernest Augustus, Walter Henry and Frances Edward from 1869 to 1882. Thing is they just seem to have disapperared in the 1871 and 1881 census. Amy Julia appears to be living with her maternal grandmother Jane White but I can't find any of the others. This isn't helped by the very common mistranscription of the Moir surname - I have seen Mori, Moor, More, Muir and Mair, all relating to my Moir ancestors. I have tried all these variations still with no luck. The family lived in St Lukes, Shoreditch, Islington, Clerkenwell and that area of London. The births of the children seem to suggest they were still in this area either side of the 1871 and 1881 census. I would be grateful of any help or advice for trying to locate their census records. The other Moir's I am trying to locate are also John, shoemaker b. est 1766 d. 1849 in Waterloo Road Workhouse, Bethnal Green. Married to a Mary, but I haven't been able to locate a marriage record. They had at least 2 children - John b. 1808 and George b. 1810 d. 1882 in Holborn Union Infirmary, also a shoemaker. He was married to Mary Ann Collins and John who I can't find in the 1871/81 census is one of their children. Bascially, I am trying to find birth/baptism and marriage records for John Moir and Mary as I am trying to push the tree backwards to find out when the family came to London. Moir is a Scottish name with origins in the North East of Scotland. Any help/advice you can give would be gratefully received on my Moir ancestors. Thanks Lewis Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.