This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: janeryan99 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/31.8.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Lyla, I thought I was being very clever !!!!! I cannot find my grandfathers father and mother . I went to the 1881 brit records and got the family then , basically missing a generation [ definite strike ]. Fred and Elizabeth SMITH [ born 1845 and 1845 respectively , I know this because my fathers great uncle was F E Smith [ Lord Birkenhead ]and he is also listed as a son. F E Smith has 2 brothers one who must have been my grandfather Frederick Sydney Leslie Smith born 1897 , Birkenhead , Cheshire. The 2 other sons were Sydney b 1875 and Harold b 1874. One is these is the right one !!! However cannot trace either of them forward to having F S l Smith born 1897 in Birkenhead. In the 1881 census they were living in Birkenhead , Cheshire , England . Hope this isn't too complicated , sometimes it is great to have someone take a fresh look at things... Many thanks and please email me jane Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.