This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dklart Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/434.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: You can only go so far on Ancestry.com or on-line in general. Everything you would like to find is not on-line. This means you need to study how to research in order to understand where the resources are to find what you're looking for. You mention you been here: A super-site for Jewish Genealogy: http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/faq.html Reviewing the FAQS periodically might help you understand what should be your next steps. ================================== If you can't find the manifests on Ancestry & Ellis Island check NARA. All sites have different search tricks. Learning the tricks particular to every site to find records of mangled names. Start with the wife and daughter's entry. ============================= >>I'm not sure how to find the Declaration of Intent or the Original Documents, I can't find it online, but I found this and this is a match. << Yes, that INDEX appears to be a match, I confirmed the address on the index card with the address in the 1911 Chicago City Directory. [I suggest you "mine" the City directories, both Chicago and New York. This will hone your timeline.] Some States have full naturalization data on-line (fold3.com), but Illinois is not one them. Read here for how to obtain a Declaration of intent "first papers": http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=d21f3711ca5ca110VgnVCM1000004718190aRCRD&vgnextchannel=d21f3711ca5ca110VgnVCM1000004718190aRCRD =============================== You have naturalization index records linked to Bessie and daughter Lizzie. Before 1925, wives and minor children were automatically naturalized at the same time as the husband/father. They would not have applied on their own. You might see their data listed in HIS Declaration of Intent (first papers). Getting the first papers is your next step. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.