This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dklart Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/434.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Some docs you should find. His WW1 draft registration. He would have been obliged to register, unless he chose to sign up. His age would make it most likely he registered in 1918. That will help you pinpoint the move to NY. His naturalization "first papers", the Declaration of Intent. These can have very detailed data of origin and other data. Google how to obtain a copy. You know where he was living at the time, more than half the battle to obtaining a copy. The 1925 NY State Census is on-line. Find the family in it, further narrowing a death or "departure" time frame. It appears Bessie remarried to a Harry Miller, hence the surname Miller; and now you have a narrow time frame (1920-25) to search for a death or divorce record. New York, State Census, 1925 [ACOM Transcription, look at the original document] Name: Bessie Miller Birth Date: abt 1875 Birth Place: Russia Age: 50 Gender: Female Residence Place: New York, New York Relationship: Wife Color or Race: White Number of Years in US: 25 Assembly District: 04 House Number: 345 Line Number: 46 Page Number: 11 Household Members: Name Age Harry Miller 56 Bessie Miller 50 Benny Miller 21 Clara Miller 20 Jack Miller 19 Have you or your "we" actually searched for a death cert in NYC? Check the index on this site (not just Italian) and see if something doesn't match. http://www.italiangen.org/ He's specific on his date and year of arrival in the Naturalization index, have you checked for ships that entered port of NY on that date? We these individuals Jewish? There is a huge resource center in NYC for tracing Jewish ancestry. Google for it. If you're not directly related, you might not be able to get a copy of her death record, but try. Google "vital records Nassau New York genealogy". It's not a brick wall until you've exhausted all the sources. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.