This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MartheLawton Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/177.4.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Yes, I have been trying to concentrate on Nola as a source of indirect information that will lead me to their mother. The problem is that she was married at least 3 times. I have documented children by 2 husbands. Traced 2 children from her first marriage to Tarrant Texas. Have their death certificates but only information listed is their mother's name (Nola Oliver) and in fact unknown is listed where she was born (which I know is Arkansas). I have been informed on the Logan County board that there are no birth records for Logan County in that time frame. If there were, they are destroyed, lost, etc. I have sent away for a death certificate for a Thomas "J" Oliver died in Seminole in 1887, which is geographically a possibility. I have a death date of 1888, but who knows? The main problem is the initial "J". My Thomas' middle name was Issac, so I have no idea why the tombstone would be "J" but stranger things have happened. So for $15, I guess I can see who this Thomas is. I have not been able to find obituaries for Thomas, Nola or William. Nola was married so many times, it is difficult. Last marriage I have for her was Leroy W. Winters in 1930 in OK per census. I have no idea if she remarried after that. The other problem I have with Nola is that she lied about her birthdate on the censuses. With every husband, she got younger. Probably because she was marrying younger men. By 1930, she has her birthdate as 1894! Six years YOUNGER than her younger brother, Thomas! Marriage names for Nola are 1) Ryles -children Lillie, Issac, Addie, 2) Hackworth -child Leona 3) Winters -no children that I can find yet. Have death certs for Lillie and Issac, can't find Addie. Have not been able to find court or land records. These were poor people. I mean POOR. They were transient and they rented or boarded according to the censuses. I am a frequent visitor to the Family History Library in my city and much of my information have come from film I have ordered through them. I have Thomas'marriage certificate and license to my grandmother Ollie. 25, Dec 1911 in Poteau, OK. I have an inquiry at the Le Flore County board about where the information Thomas and Ollie had to provide for the marriage license might be. I have no idea if the application was kept once the license was issued. My thought is that the maiden name of Thomas mother may be in that information that was provided for the license. Does anyone know if this type of information would be kept once the license was issued? Thank you for the website to search for Logan County books. With a quick search, I can see there are quite a number of books listed. I am going to see if there might be something in there that might help. Thank you so much for your suggestions! If you think of any others, I am open! I have been stuck here for so long! And it is possible that Thomas and Nola forgot their own mother's name since it appears she disappeared when they were quite young. If that is the case, I have no idea how I will ever be able to trace that side. Thank you again! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.