This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dvredenburgh1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/458.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: OK - Major wake up call here! I really appreciate the advice and will get some genealogy books. I see that a book called "The Source" seems like a well reviewed book and maybe I'll start there. I am good with this being a marathon and not a sprint, I guess I just didn't know how far we have to go yet with digitization of the worlds papers records. Thanks. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dklart Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/458.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: 1) >> Are you all telling me that I actually have to go read the microfiche at my local FHC? << Yes >>Am I wrong, or is that going to take 100s of hours?<< Welcome to the world of genealogy. This is historical research, if you enjoy reading, learning and studying, you've found the right hobby. You're not ready to dive yet, spend time in the wading pool. 2) >>What if some of these have already been digitized somewhere else, how would I know?<< Check the *Records* section on the site. New data is being uploaded as it is being digitized and indexed. >>The volume of information here is frankly overwhelming (and I am a computer-guy!)<< This indicates your research skills need some bumping up. Give the dead relatives a rest and spend some time familiarizing yourself (reading and learning) with the resources and how to evaluate data in them. A good "how-to" genealogy book covers this territory. You can also find how-to info and videos on the net. Let google be your friend. 3)>> What about paper records that haven't been put onto microfiche yet.<< 95% of historical research data is not on-line. What you find on Ancestry.com is probably less than 1%, ditto familysearch.org. Again, a "how-to" genealogy book seems in order. >> Is there a family history "TO DO" list somewhere that I can see?<< Yes, every library and archive in the world has one. Every State, every country has it's own criteria of what is digitized and archived. Money and privacy concerns are two factors that determine how data is treated. Devoting funds to preserve the past is not high on many lists. >>Seeing all this stuff makes me wonder what else I am missing.<< Again, a "how-to" genealogy book. 4) >> Some of these catalog items are just a few rolls of 35mm film. It should cost about $125 to digitize the catalog entry. Will they let me do that? I'll give the electronic version back to them for free...<< No, you can't remove the film/fiche from the FHC. I suggest you find the closest FHC to you (this is on the familysearch.org site) and pay a visit. Some are better equipped than others. They are run by LDS volunteers in most cases, and the degree of their knowledge depends on the individual. Some FHC have an existing and permanent cache of film, ie; film ordered by another researcher for permanent loan from SLC. You might find some fit your needs and don't need to order another copy. Your local library can have a tremendous amount of resource as well. Pay them a visit and ask the librarian if they offer gene classes. Ask them to walk you though how to do an inter-library loan. Yup, libraries loan books to one another. Contact your local historical/genealogy society, many have active chapters and members that can assist you in learning the gene ropes. Unfortunately, Ancestry's "you just have to start looking" is a sneaky and mostly false claim. This is not a quick and easy pursuit. If you enjoy reading, learning and studying, this is the hobby for you. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dvredenburgh1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/458.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: OK...thanks again to everyone for their input. I totally missed the link to the old catalog search! I am blown away by the amount of item in there for early 1800s in New York City. There are dozens of items in there that sound extremely relevant: https://familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=topicdetails&subject=329165&subject_disp=New York, New York (City) - Church records&columns=*,0,0 I've been researching on Ancestry.com for the past 2 years and assumed that if it was microfilmed, they already had the database. In other words, I had the impression that there was ancestry.com or just paper. Truly, I did not know what I did not know. If you kind folks here don't mind, I have a few follow-on questions before I dive into all this: 1) It's hard to create microfiche from paper records, but its easy to create digital pictures (not records, just pictures) from microfiche. Are you all telling me that I actually have to go read the microfiche at my local FHC? Am I wrong, or is that going to take 100s of hours? 2) What if some of these have already been digitized somewhere else, how would I know? What if they have already been converted into records? The volume of information here is frankly overwhelming (and I am a computer-guy!) and I just want to be as efficient as I can be. 3) What about paper records that haven't been put onto microfiche yet. Is there a family history "TO DO" list somewhere that I can see? Seeing all this stuff makes me wonder what else I am missing. 4) Some of these catalog items are just a few rolls of 35mm film. It should cost about $125 to digitize the catalog entry. Will they let me do that? I'll give the electronic version back to them for free... Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dklart Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/458.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi LHSwisher, you're reading my mind! Here's the path from the familysearch.org homepage I take, old habits die hard. Take a bit of time to read about where and how to use the resources available from the LDS. You can find the closest Family History Center to you on the site. You can order the film on-line to be sent to that center. You might want to visit your closest center in advance and check out what they already have on hand. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: LHSwisher Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/458.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I think dklart means to search in the catalog for the areas of NY that you need records for, then order those films to be delivered to your local Family History Center. You can usually find vital records, church records, etc. for many areas. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dvredenburgh1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/458.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks for your help. By the Family Search catalog do you mean this? https://www.familysearch.org/#form=catalog If so, then no, I had not. Thanks for the tip. Doing a quick search revealeded five family history books which mention Vredenburghs. Is this what you meant? I see that for $5 I can have some of these sent to a "Family History Center" which is 45m from my house. Exactly what are these FHC facilities...on Google streets it looks like a church? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dklart Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/458.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Have you checked the library catalog on familysearch.org? Look at the films/fiche available for NYC. You can order the best possibilities on-line (for a nominal fee) and have sent to your local FHC. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dvredenburgh1 Surnames: Vredenburgh Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/458/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I'm researching the Vredenburgh family from Manhattan in each 1800's and have gotten a ton of information from the databases on ancestry.com. I have used the new search, the old search, soundex and many different misspellings in order to locate most census and other records. So far so good. But know I am completely stuck because I can't find the parents of several Vredenburgh's born around 1810-1820. The census isn't ever going to tell me that. Through the internet, I've been able to locate the death records for most of people I'm interested in. Unfortunately, not a single one of those records says who their parents were!!! Although I am new at this, it seems that baptism or marriage records are a good, if not the best, source of information about parents in the pre-1850 era. Is this correct? Is there a better source? Finally, how do I go about locating baptism or marriage records from 1780-1850 for various wards in NYC? The Vredenburgh's were Dutch, so I am guessing they probably were members of the Dutch Reformed Church, but who knows? And where are those church records now? Do I need to physically make a trip to NYC to find these? I feel like I have really slammed into the brick wall...could be time to get up off the couch....sigh. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: williamfcraigjr Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/457.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005 Name: Kevin R Turner Mother's Maiden Surname: Carter Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1956 Registration district: Hertford Inferred County: Hertfordshire, Huntingdonshire, Suffolk, Norfolk Volume Number: 4b Page Number: 194 (click to see others on page) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: carobradford Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/457.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thought (b) is the right one. If there is no father in the appropriate column of the birth certificate it means that the mother was not married and the "putative father" (that's the technical term) was unwilling or unable to admit paternity, attend the registration and sign the register. If your grandmother's maiden name had been "Cook", then it would have said "formerly Cook", so it looks likely that this was her occupation. Your parents' marriage certificate might possibly offer a clue, but I wouldn't hold your breath. Even if the chances of finding the identity of your grandfather are slim, it is still possible to trace the family back through the female line. Did Eileen marry the father of her other children? Her marriage certificate will show her father's name and occupation. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Miss_turner78 Surnames: Turner Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/457/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hoping someone may be able to help. I know very little about my fathers side of the family. I haven't had any contact with them for a number of years now but after becoming a mother myself i want to find out a little about my 'roots'. I'm not having much luck though. What do I KNOW 1). Father. Kevin Richard Turner b 1956 Barnet, Herts 2) married mother Christine Ann Coleby. August 1978 Aldershot 3) Kevin had siblings, Different fathers as far as I know, but there's a Melanie, David and Vanessa that I know of. Most of the family were based in Hertfordshire area. I ordered my fathers birth certificate, his mother is named as Eileen May Turner. In column 5 of the birth certificate where it asks for 'name, surname and maiden surname of mother' it states. Eileen may turner (cook (old persons home) of west cottage, bed well park, essendon. No father is mentioned. So I have two thoughts. 1) that Eileen may turners maiden name was Cook, but why is the father not named if she was married?? 2) Eileen was not married and so Cook represents her employment status as the father is not named..... Are either of these likely?? Or have I missed something obvious? I would really appreciate any help to trace back even one generation back. It sounds odd, but I have only ever seen one photo of my father when he was a child and my 3 month old son is identical. And I have the urge to at least be able to tell my son when he is older where some of his roots are... Thank you for reading this! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: cymbaline09 Surnames: Gerdemann Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/456.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you, yes I have very detailed records of the family once they came to America, but anything before that I cant seem to find any information; such as who the originating parents' parents were, if Heinrich was a Lohmann or a Gerdemann by birth, etc. Thanks! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: williamfcraigjr Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/456.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: State Historical Society of Missouri - Warren County Place Names, 1928-1945: Place name: Gerdemann's Store - Description: In the northwest part of Elkhorn Township, near Pendleton. The place has been under the management of the same family for about ninety years. The store was established between 1850 and 1853 by Herman Henry Gerdemann (or Gerdeman), who was born in Prussia on January 6, 1821. He came to America at the age of seventeen and located in St. Charles County. In 1850 he came to Warren County and settled on the Boone's Lick Road near Pendleton. Shortly afterward, he established the original Gerdemann Store on Camp Creek about one mile west of the present store. In 1877 the business was moved to the new site. He operated the store until 1887. His son, Edward Gerdemann managed the place from 1887 until 1916; and his grandsons, Marion and Carl Gerdemann, supervised it from 1916 until the poresent. The grandfather died in 1904 and the son about 1921. Although Williams ! spells the name "Gerdeman's Store," the Gerdemanns prefer the spelling "Gerdemann's Store." (COUNTY MAP 1908; Williams N.E. MISSOURI I, 676; WARRENTON BANNER, Jan. 6, 1904; Forrest W. Hughes; Mrs. Belle Gerdemann; Dr. A.W. Ebeling) Source: Harrison, Eugenia L. "Place Names Of Four River Counties In Eastern Missouri." M.A. thesis., University of Missouri-Columbia, 1943. ------------------------------------------------------------ Herman Hy. Gerdemann http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=gerdemann&GSiman=1&GScid=2132488&GRid=42612961& Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: cymbaline09 Surnames: Gerdemann Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/456/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have very detailed information on the Gerdemann family once they arrive in the United States (1837), but before that I cannot seem to find any information on them. I have found other Gerdemann's, but I have no way of knowing if they are related, as those records are somewhat limited. Family lorre is that a Heinrich (Lohman, Lohmann, Lehmann?) 1780, married a Katherine Elisabeth Gerdemann 1783, and took the name Gerdemann, as she was perhaps the only child of the family. He died in 1833, and Katherine came to the United States with all of her children and settled in Missouri. Any information or leads on the family or how to obtain information would be incredibly helpful. I have tried everything I could think of short of going to the town it's self to dig up any information. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: eGENEee Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/452.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Don't forget -- The accuracy of death records depend on the "witness" and we don't know who the witness is. "Rena" could be wrong OR mis-transcribed, for example. OR Rena could be Bettie's middle name, etc. etc. There are all sorts of possibilities. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: nikki7422 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/452.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, I am not sure this is the same Ben Bean I am looking for. The Ben Bean I am looking for was married to Bettie Lester not Rena Bean, although the area is correct the names are not. Thank you for the research. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: nikki7422 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/452.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, I saw that census actually, it was the first piece of hope that i was on the right track of my great grandfather's dad. I just didnt know it would lead me to a new family member that i had never heard of. So far this is all I have found that links him with my great great grandmother Bettie Lester. I haven't found any records linking his name and my great grandfather. Thank you for your search. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: eGENEee Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/452.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: According to the death info he was buried at Second Baptist. The Second Baptist Church still exists in Thompson and it has a cemetery. I can't find an address or telephone number for it, though...??? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: eGENEee Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/452.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I believe this is his death info, based on what you have in your tree: Name: Ben Bean Birth Date: abt 1872 Birth Place: Thompson, Alabama Death Date: 13 Jan 1927 Death Place: Thompson, Bullock, Alabama Burial Date: 14 Jan 1927 Cemetery Name: 2nd Baptist Death Age: 55 Occupation: Farmer Race: Black Marital Status: Married Gender: Male Father Name: Frank Bean Mother Name: Rose Cannon Mother Birth Place: Bullock County Spouse Name: Rena Bean FHL Film Number: 1908440 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: fiddlerslass Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/455.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Shane, I assume this is your mother's birth registration Births Sep 1947 Phillips Carol D Casselden Merioneth N. 8c 16 Birth registration of your nan - her mother's maiden name Boniface seems to be correct. Births Mar 1913 Casselden Cassandra V Boniface Fulham 1a 317 Some of the other children of this couple Births Dec 1911 Casselden Rose Boniface Christchurch 2b 1174 Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page Births Mar 1913 Casselden Cassandra V Boniface Fulham 1a 317 Births Mar 1914 CASSELDEN Beatrice Boniface Manchester 8d 454 Births Jun 1915 Casselden Martha L Boniface Manchester 8d 381 Births Mar 1919 Casselden Eliza R Boniface Manchester 8d 240 so there seems to have been a move to Manchester. The only Marriage registration between Boniface & Casselden I can find Marriages Sep 1897 Boniface Eliza Rose Brighton 2b 490 Casselden William Frederick Brighton 2b 490 They should appear in the 1901 & 1911 census which are pay per view. You could start by ordering some of the above certificates from the GRO http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp Regards, Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.