This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: coleren Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/174.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: You're so right about the generalizations based on how someone looks. Yes, they were Catholic. I've been looking in Sonoran church records, but I haven't come across where to look for Arizona ones. I'm going to start looking for those tomorrow. Antonio Noriega's (b. 1897) parents were married in Tucson. I have their marriage record. Jesus and Concepcion were married September 1, 1896. I ordered it from Arizona state marriage records and it didn't mention any other person present. My grandparents (their son) doesn't either. In fact I was pretty disappointed because I paid a lot of money and the copy was very poor. Their record is for Jesus A. Norrega (misspelled) and Concepcion Castro. I also have a copy of the handwritten declaration of Intent for Jesus Noriega. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: coleren Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/174.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you so much for the advice. I do have some of the things you asked me about at I'm going to post what I have tonight. I'm at work right now. I did not have the draft card for my grandpa. Thanks for finding it! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dklart Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/174.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 Name: Antonio Norieza County: Pima State: Arizona Birth Date: 16 Oct 1897 Race: White FHL Roll Number: 1522648 DraftBoard: 0 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dklart Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/174.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I looked at your tree. The only way to find a public tree is by searching a particular name, you can't search the tree by the tree name. 1) Do you have a copy of the actual marriage record of Jesus and Conception? 2) Do you have a copy of the actual Declaration of Intent (Naturalization) for Jesus Noriega? You have an index transcription of the two record citations attached to your tree. You need to get the actual documents. They'll have extended info. You're not going to find these documents on the internet, but you can find information of how and where to get them by googling. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dklart Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/174.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Please be careful of making gross generalizations about origins based on skin color or "features". Not all Spaniards are light skinned, not all Indigenous people have high cheek bones, not all people from x look like x because they're from x. Is this clan Catholic? If so, you're best resource are church records. 1) Find the bap record for Antonio Noriega b 1897 2) Build his family, find his siblings's bap records (and marriage or any other). Note all the godparents listed. Godparents are typically extended family. The godparents of the eldest children are sometimes the grandparents. 3) Were Antonio's parents married in the US? What year? You might find the marriage record in the same place as the bap records. The parents will be listed, and perhaps more; ie witnesses tended to be extended family. Finding extended family, ie: siblings of both parents, Jesus and his wife, will help build a more complete picture and enable you to trace their movement into the US. All records are not on the internet, look in the library catalog on familysearch.org. Locate the nearest FHC near you and be prepared to spend some time researching. Chances are the church records are in Latin. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: coleren Surnames: Noriega Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/174/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I need tips on where else to look. I've been trying to find information on my dad's family. I've hit a brick wall when it comes to his grandfather, Jesus Noriega, and where he came from. With help, I've found info on other relatives of my dad, but on his dad's father's side, I can't get any further. My dad is 75 and I'm trying to make a book for him. He's been told all his life that his father's family was from Spain (they have Spanish features and light skin) I've found record of his dad, Antonio Noriega born in Tucson, 1897 and Antonio's dad, Jesus Noriega with varying dates of birth and place of birth according to US census' (Sonora,MX and Tucson, AZ). The census' that say he's from Mexico, list his year of emigration as 1878. I can't find any info on his birth, or his parents or where they came from. I really want to find info for my dad that shows his family from Spain to present, but I am just dead ended. I've looked on a database in Spain, I've looked at Fami! ly Search, I've looked at Arizona state genealogy and of course Ancestry.com. Please give me some tips on where else to look. I want to finish this project for my dad asap. My family tree is listed as Noriega - Rubalcava family tree. Thank you for any advice on where else to look! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: deegrish76 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/26.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I found some mrgs. in Pope Co AR in the County Cthouse in the office that has all the land records. You will need to go to the Cthouse for the County where they were married. Dee Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: deegrish76 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/138.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I don't believe anyone mentioned 411.com, of course it helps to have a name and a state. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dklart Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/173.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Meranda, 1) Do you have a copy or have you tried to get a copy of Morris/Maurice E Fairchild's death certificate? 2) Do you have a copy or have you tried to get a copy of the marriage record of Maurice and Myrtle? If there is no civil record, perhaps a church record? Where were they married? Either or both of these two records should have the names of his parents. Did you find Myrtle in the 1900 Census with her parents? Where? ==================================================== World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 Name: Maurice Eli Fairchild County: Erie State: Pennsylvania Birth Date: 6 Sep 1877 Race: White FHL Roll Number: 2022697 Draft Board:1 ========================================================== These two census 1880, 1870 are purely hypothetical, but the only close matches I found. If you are a paying subscriber to Ancestry.com, this link is to the 1880 Census, Ancestry transcription below, my notes in []. http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=1880usfedcen,&rank=1&=,,,,,,,,1, ,,,1, ,,,1, ,,,,,,,1, ,,&gsfn=Mor*&gsln=fairch*&gsby=1877&gsb2co=2,USA&gsb2pl=25,Michigan&gsdy=&gsd2co=1,All Countries&gsd2pl=1, &sbo=1&sbor=&ufr=0&wp=4;_80000002;_80000003&srchb=r&prox=1&ti=0&ti.si=0&gss=angs-d&pcat=35&fh=16&h=31760637&recoff=2 1880 United States Federal Census Name: Eli Fairchild Home in 1880: Adrian, Lenawee, Michigan Age: 2 Estimated birth year: abt 1878 Birthplace: Michigan Relation to Head of Household: Son Father's Name: G. W. Fairchild Father's birthplace: New York Mother's Name: Sarah M. Fairchild Mother's birthplace: New York Marital Status: Single Race: White Gender: Male Household Members: Name Age G. W. Fairchild 64 Sarah M. Fairchild 38 Amanda Fairchild 13 [born PA] Amanso Fairchild 13 [born PA] Eli Fairchild 2 =========================================================== The link and transcription below is the 1870 Census, to the same Fairchild family, George is widowed. Sarah Shieve is his future wife and the mother of the Eli (in the 1880 census above) who isn't in this census since he wasn't born until 1877. http://search.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=View&r=an&dbid=7163&iid=4278561_00606&fn=Mntal W&ln=Fairchild&st=r&ssrc=&pid=41106048 1870 United States Federal Census Name: George Fairchild Birth Year: abt 1816 Age in 1870: 54 Birthplace: Connecticut Home in 1870: Union, Erie, Pennsylvania Race: White Gender: Male Post Office: Union Mills Household Members: Name Age George Fairchild 54 Ira H Fairchild 16 George E Fairchild 14 Clarence N Fairchild 12 Mntal W Fairchild 8 William Fairchild 4 Eliza A Fairchild 4 Sarah M Srieve 35 Edith L Srieve 8 Elmer N Srieve 5 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: LHSwisher Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/173.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Well, according to his World War I draft record (attached), the "E" in his middle name stands for Eli. He appears to have been born Sept. 6, 1877, but the ink is blurry. Are his parents' names listed on his marriage license? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: merandafairchild Surnames: Fairchild Hawley Davis Kimmy Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/173/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My g.g. Grandfather Morris/Maurice E. Fairchild was born in 1877 in Michigan. He was married in 1901 and died in 1924. This is about all I know about him. It is rumored in my family that his mother was a native American chief's daughter, but in the two census I've found on him, Morris is listed as white. I would love to learn more about Morris, as he is as far back as I can trace my last name, and any help anyone can give me would be greatly appreciated. Here are some more facts to help you out. -Born 1877 in Michigan. Both his parents are listed as born in PA in the 1920 census, and in the USA in the 1910 census. -Morris married Myrtle Hawley in 1901. Myrtle is the daughter of George and Mary Ellen Kimmy. She was born in Pa (in 1882), as were her parents. -Morris appears in the 1910 census in Columbus, Warren, PA, and the 1920 Census in Le Boeuf, Erie, PA. -He had 5 children: Louis/Lewis/Louie George (my g. grandfather), Leon M., Clarence H., Cecil R., and Arlene M. -In the 1910 census Morris had a hired man named Merl Davis. -Morris died in 1924 and is burried in Mill Village Cemetery in Le Boeuf, Erie, PA. Once again, thanks ahead of time for any help. Meranda Fairchild Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: avcw21 Surnames: Atkinson, Nowell Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/172/mb.ashx Message Board Post: i, I have set up a blog regarding this issue, I hope it is ok for me to post the link to it here, if not, please let me know and I shall remove it... http://atkinsonfamilysearch.wordpress.com/ If anyone can help, it really would be most appreciated. Mary Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: BrianMartin629 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/171.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Denise, On the 1861 Census, there is a William Ellingworth, age 45, and Ann, his wife, 42, living at Horbling, Bourne, Lincs. William is said to have been born at Hacconby, which is very close to Stainfield. ...And Ann was born at Asgarby, Lincs. Two children: Mary Ann & Henry with them. .........Working backwards to 1851 census, I found Ann Ellingworth (born at Asgarby)was living with her parents, who are Anthony and Ann Sharp. She has four Ellingworth children with her here at her parent's house: Anthony 9, Susanna 3, Mary Ann 2, and Henry 3 months. William, her husband, is not there. [The last two children here are also on the '61 census above.] On the 1841 census, William Ellingworth(25) and Ann(20) appear to be living at Aslackby, Bourne. No children yet. I looked for a marriage. One came up: WILLIAM ELLINGWORTH married ANNE SHARP in 1841(2nd quart) at Sleaford, Lincs (GRO 14 973). Sleaford is north of Stainfield and Hacconby. The census that year was held on the night of 6th/7th June. You might care to check this for yourself before accepting it as proof. I have kept print-outs of each census. Hope this is of interest to you, Brian, Glasgow Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dklart Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/171.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Posting on a locality board might result in more help. Someone familiar with the areas' resources are a better bet than this general board. This board is read by people from all over the world, and there are more than one Lincolnshire in the world, no one knows which one you are talking about. http://boards.ancestry.com/ Look in the Localities Categories for the board that best suits your Lincolnshire. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dklart Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/170.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Posting on a locality board might result in more help. Someone familiar with the areas' resources are a better bet than this general board. This board is read by people from all over the world, and there are many "Kent" in the world, no one knows which one you are talking about. http://boards.ancestry.com/ Look in the Localities Categories for the board that best suits your Kent. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: deniseshepherd21 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/171/mb.ashx Message Board Post: William Ellingworth born 1816 Stainfield Lincolnshire married Ann Sharp born in 1817 in Asgarbr Lincolnshire William and Ann were my ggg grandparents and I've been trying for years to get further back but with no luck, Any help would be greatly appreciated Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maxinemoore658 Surnames: Redman & Leaver Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/170/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi i am reserching the Redmans from Kent and my 2x great grandad, John Henry was married to Sarah Leaver on 13th November 1836. In the parish records it has John as a widow, but i cannot find a marriage for him before this. Please could anyone tell me where i could look to find this. I am also trying to find out about Sarah's father Edmund Joseph Leaver, he was born in abt 1791 in Kent and died in 1851, he was married to Sarah Howland. I cannot find out who his parents were, i have a feeling that they did not come from Kent. If anyone could give me some ideas on how i may get further with Edmund, i would be very grateful as i have gone quite a way back with the rest of my tree. Thanks Maxine. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Mary, I felt you helped me a lot and really appreciated it. Sorry you are having to close down Alice On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Mary <[email protected]> wrote: > And anyone else out there doing the family tree. I closed down all my trees > on rootsweb. I no longer want to share with the people who have the > mentality that they 'own' their relatives. Or ancestors for that matter. > This includes helping others who are searching. My ancestors would come back > and hit me upside the head if I maintained I 'owned' them. And yes, this is > the third or fourth time someone has chewed me out and maintained I was > 'stealing' their relatives and it was unethical. Where do we get off > 'owning' our ancestors? or our family for that matter. If you don't wish > your family information out there DO NOT HAVE OBITUARIES IN THE NEWSPAPER > when one dies. Once the information is out in the public domain its out of > your hands. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am going to maintain my tribalpages accounts and if you aren't a member just ask and I will let you in. I do like helping others but I am getting tired of the type of people who go through rootsweb nitpicking at every little thing and acting like they 'own' people. If someone is in my tree also its because, imagine this, they are related to me through some connection. Otherwise they would not be included. --- On Mon, 10/4/10, ALICE JONES <[email protected]> wrote: From: ALICE JONES <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BRICK-WALLS] a letter to all researchers, family historians etc To: [email protected] Date: Monday, October 4, 2010, 3:58 PM Mary, I felt you helped me a lot and really appreciated it.   Sorry you are having to close down Alice On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Mary <[email protected]> wrote: > And anyone else out there doing the family tree. I closed down all my trees > on rootsweb. I no longer want to share with the people who have the > mentality that they 'own' their relatives. Or ancestors for that matter. > This includes helping others who are searching. My ancestors would come back > and hit me upside the head if I maintained I 'owned' them. And yes, this is > the third or fourth time someone has chewed me out and maintained I was > 'stealing' their relatives and it was unethical. Where do we get off > 'owning' our ancestors? or our family for that matter. If you don't wish > your family information out there DO NOT HAVE OBITUARIES IN THE NEWSPAPER > when one dies. Once the information is out in the public domain its out of > your hands. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

And anyone else out there doing the family tree. I closed down all my trees on rootsweb. I no longer want to share with the people who have the mentality that they 'own' their relatives. Or ancestors for that matter. This includes helping others who are searching. My ancestors would come back and hit me upside the head if I maintained I 'owned' them. And yes, this is the third or fourth time someone has chewed me out and maintained I was 'stealing' their relatives and it was unethical. Where do we get off 'owning' our ancestors? or our family for that matter. If you don't wish your family information out there DO NOT HAVE OBITUARIES IN THE NEWSPAPER when one dies. Once the information is out in the public domain its out of your hands.