This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dklart Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/181.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I see, the pics you mention in your post are attached to your tree. When you post, include all the info you already know, where you've searched, records you found. You can post a link to your tree, but people who can help prefer you post the information in your message. Have you attempted to find the marriage record for Frank Aaron and Cuma Lively? Their first child appears to have been born about 1908. Therefore you should search 1906-1909 for the marriage record. This record will most likely have the names of her parents. The first area to look for this record is Lincoln County, Oklahoma, where they were residing in 1910. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dklart Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/181.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Could you post somes dates (birth, death) that you know about these people. They don't need to be exact. If you attached any images to your message, they're not appearing. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: shawneeshawnshawn Surnames: Lively, Aaron Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/181/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am trying to find out about who Cuma Mae Aaron (married name) her name was Cuma Mae Lively before she married Francis "Frank" Marion Aaron. She is my great-grandmother. I posted pics given to be by my mother, passed down by my grandmother. She was my grandfather's mother and died in Oklahoma when he was 3 years old. I am trying to find out who her mother and father were, and siblings in the photograph I posted of her at 18 years old posing with her family. I think I found a census record that might be accurate and have connected it on my family tree, but really I am not positive that is accurate. She was born in Arkansas and died in Okalahoma of Pellegra (a vitamin deficiency) at the age of 34. I have attached a pic of her tomb stone. She was buried with Doctor Winstin Aaron an Nancy Tenensee Aaron. They were her spouse's (my grandfather's parents). I am desperate to find out who her siblings and parents were and so on up the tree. If anyone can help, I would gre! atly appreciate it. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: avidob Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/180.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: facinating, thank you very much. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dklart Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/180.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Recent history is a more difficult search. Do you have a copy of Eleanor Markwitz's death certificate? Chances are an obit was in a Brooklyn (Kings) weekly newspaper. Having the address of where she was last living in Brooklyn helps to sort out which paper to look in. Her last address should be on her death certificate. Also, contacting the funeral home (another thing you can find on the death cert) is another source for an obit. Finding the 2nd marriage without a more narrow time frame is going to difficult. Also, this is fairly recent history, so unless you're directly connected, you may have a difficult time obtaining the record. This might be accomplished by searching the Brooklyn City Directories (phone books). If you're in the greater NYC area, the libraries have these. You might also want to check the area's religious institutions the family was associated with, again this is something you may find a clue to on the death certificate. Meanwhile, could this be the daughter, Adele Pearl, b 1917? ============== Adele Pearl married Norman G Sievert, 7 Aug 1937, Brooklyn, Kings, New York. Source:http://www.italiangen.org ============== Social Security Death Index Name: Adele Sievert SSN: 052-16-9261 Last Residence: 11229 Brooklyn, Kings, New York Born: 6 Jan 1917 Died: 12 Apr 1995 State (Year) SSN issued: New York (Before 1951) =============== North Carolina Death Collection, 1908-2004 Name: Adele Pearle Sievert Gender: Female Race: White Marital Status: Divorced Social Security Number: 052169261 Father's Last Name: Pearle Age: 78 Date of Birth: 6 Jan 1917 Residence State: New York Date of Death: 12 Apr 1995 Death City: Durham (P) Death County: Durham Death State: North Carolina Autopsy: No Institution: General Hospital Attendant: Physician Burial Location: Cremation in state Source Vendor: NC Department of Health. North Carolina Deaths, 1993-96 I didn't see a marriage record for a Jeanne Pearl(e) in http://www.italiangen.org. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: avidob Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/180.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Yes , thank you I have tried it to no avail. Now I am tryin to find her maariag details. She became markwitz somewhere between 1930 and 1954. Do you have any idea how to track it? Thanks Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dklart Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/180.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: How about an obituary? That seems the obvious place to start. This appears to be her SSDI record. Eleanor R. Markwitz b. 28 May 1892, d. 22 Sep 1988, Brooklyn, Kings, New York Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: avidob Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/180/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am trying to find Adele and Jeanne daughters of Nellie. I hit a wall. Nellie (Eleanor) Rosowsky: (b. May 1892): 1916: Dec, Married Charles Pearl, kings county cert. 372 1920: Census (January 2nd, 1920): Charles, Lawyer (general practice), Elenor, Adele (daughter) 2 years 11 months (b. Jan-Feb 1917), Jeanne 1 year 3 months (b. Sep 1918), Address: 1755 Brooklyn Ave, Kings 1930: Census:?? Charles pearl of the same age registered with its parents in Champlain, Clinton, New York (probably as a result of the recession after his divorce from Eleanor) 1954: BOOKLYN EAGLE, Jan, 10, Mrs. Eleanor Markwitz, Age: 61, Address: 1536 Brooklyn Ave 1976: Nell Markwitz shows as the sister of Mayer E Ross on his Obituary 1988: Dies: September, 22nd, Eleanor R. Markwitz 11235 Brooklyn, Kings, New York (b. 22 May, 1892) Any help or tips about were to go or any tools to use, will be appreciated Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: lmc41472 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/178.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have set up a meeting next week at the local library with the lady who deals with all the genealogical data for the county that it stores there so I'm hoping she can assist me in locating some things that would be much more helpful in verifying all the information I'm finding online and getting from other people. The library has microfilm copies of most of the newspapers back to 1911 (the paper only began publication in 1910)with the exception of some that were lost in a fire. They also have various other resources they said they could give me access to. Wish me luck and thanks for all the great advice everyone! :) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: chatterchit Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/177.4.1.4.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: You would have to get specific names and dates first -- that would eliminate 95% of them, I would guess, due to wrong birth date range, wrong death date range, and gender. You could try: published cemetery indexes, local historical or genealogical societies, local libraries, volunteers (such as those at FindaGrave.com) and finally the cemeteries themselves. The cemeteries should have SOME records -- especially who bought the plot and when. If a William Oliver did, that gives you a great potential lead. The cemeteries also might have biographical info AND even tombstones could have "Wife of William" etc. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MartheLawton Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/177.4.1.4.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Yes that was a typo. thomas was born 1888, died 1938. Yes, there are lots of Olivers in Arkansas. And I think there is a very good chance that Thomas and Nola's mother may be buried there, unless there was a divorce or she abandoned them. The trouble I am having is how could I possibly connect any of those cemetery Olivers to Thomas? Any ideas? I live 2000 miles away and have no idea how to begin to try to connect any of them to my Oliver. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: chatterchit Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/169.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Have you tried the following? Death certificate Obituary (for siblings' names) Probate or will Marriage record Military records Local histories of the town(s)/county(ies) where he lived Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: chatterchit Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/178.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Without knowing dates, I would first think of Lonzie's death certificate -- that could indicate his parents. Would military records be a possibility for him? Probate records/will could indicate siblings or other relatives. Also, it sounds as if you are concentrating on online records and other people's trees -- if so, then you should expand your research to reliable primary and secondary records. Something like 95% of genealogical data is NOT online. Don't ignore that 95%! :) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: majnan75 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/179.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Oh sorry this is the entry which is a possibility EDWARDS Female St.Pancras 1 128 the census 1861 states St Pancras Middlesex Thankyou for your interest Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: chatterchit Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/177.4.1.4/mb.ashx Message Board Post: More Logan County cemeteries containing Olivers: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~arcemete/logan/sugargrove.txt http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~arcemete/logan/sesesh.txt http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~arcemete/logan/bluff.txt http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~arcemete/logan/bor-butler.txt Note: Claims Brown Cemetery is aka Oliver Cemetery http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~arcemete/logan/ellington.txt http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~arcemete/logan/cancar.txt http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~arcemete/logan/ellsworth.txt http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~arcemete/logan/mcvay.txt http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~arcemete/logan/oldcems.txt http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~arcemete/logan/stjoseph.txt Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: chatterchit Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/177.4.1.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: There's an Oliver Cemetery in Logan County: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~arcemete/logan/olipaint.txt Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: chatterchit Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/177.4.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: This is just a tiny tidbit, but who know...? http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~arcemete/logan/logan-may.txt There's someone (more than one?) with the surname Oliver buried at Logan Hall cemetery -- no names, no dates in the reference, though. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: chatterchit Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/177.4.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I thought Thomas was born in 1888 - not died in 1888? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: chatterchit Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/179.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: There are several places, Pancras -- which do you mean? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MartheLawton Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/177.4.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Yes, I have been trying to concentrate on Nola as a source of indirect information that will lead me to their mother. The problem is that she was married at least 3 times. I have documented children by 2 husbands. Traced 2 children from her first marriage to Tarrant Texas. Have their death certificates but only information listed is their mother's name (Nola Oliver) and in fact unknown is listed where she was born (which I know is Arkansas). I have been informed on the Logan County board that there are no birth records for Logan County in that time frame. If there were, they are destroyed, lost, etc. I have sent away for a death certificate for a Thomas "J" Oliver died in Seminole in 1887, which is geographically a possibility. I have a death date of 1888, but who knows? The main problem is the initial "J". My Thomas' middle name was Issac, so I have no idea why the tombstone would be "J" but stranger things have happened. So for $15, I guess I can see who this Thomas is. I have not been able to find obituaries for Thomas, Nola or William. Nola was married so many times, it is difficult. Last marriage I have for her was Leroy W. Winters in 1930 in OK per census. I have no idea if she remarried after that. The other problem I have with Nola is that she lied about her birthdate on the censuses. With every husband, she got younger. Probably because she was marrying younger men. By 1930, she has her birthdate as 1894! Six years YOUNGER than her younger brother, Thomas! Marriage names for Nola are 1) Ryles -children Lillie, Issac, Addie, 2) Hackworth -child Leona 3) Winters -no children that I can find yet. Have death certs for Lillie and Issac, can't find Addie. Have not been able to find court or land records. These were poor people. I mean POOR. They were transient and they rented or boarded according to the censuses. I am a frequent visitor to the Family History Library in my city and much of my information have come from film I have ordered through them. I have Thomas'marriage certificate and license to my grandmother Ollie. 25, Dec 1911 in Poteau, OK. I have an inquiry at the Le Flore County board about where the information Thomas and Ollie had to provide for the marriage license might be. I have no idea if the application was kept once the license was issued. My thought is that the maiden name of Thomas mother may be in that information that was provided for the license. Does anyone know if this type of information would be kept once the license was issued? Thank you for the website to search for Logan County books. With a quick search, I can see there are quite a number of books listed. I am going to see if there might be something in there that might help. Thank you so much for your suggestions! If you think of any others, I am open! I have been stuck here for so long! And it is possible that Thomas and Nola forgot their own mother's name since it appears she disappeared when they were quite young. If that is the case, I have no idea how I will ever be able to trace that side. Thank you again! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.