This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dklart Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/200.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: U.S. Public Records Index, Volume 2 [1935-1993] Name: Donald H Lovely Birth Date: 2 Oct 1928 Address: N Winchester Village No City: Winchester State: OR Zip Code: 97495 U.S. Public Records Index, Volume 1 [1950-1993] Name: Donald H Lovely Birth Date: 2 Oct 1928 Address: PO Box 1003, Winchester, OR, 97495-1003 [General Delivery, Aberdeen, WA, 98520-9999 (1995)] [PO Box 902, Aberdeen, WA, 98520-0188 (1996)] There are no apparent individuals directly related to Donald H Lovely listed at the same addresses/PO box in either of these listings. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dklart Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/200.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: This birth record found, perhaps for a sibling of Donald H, that may have not survived. The mother's maiden name is noted. California Birth Index, 1905-1995 Name: Lovely Birth Date: 24 Nov 1929 Gender: Female Mother's Maiden Name: Ward Birth County: Modoc Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dklart Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/200.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: About Don C Lovely: California Death Index, 1940-1997 Name: Don C Lovely Social Security #: 700126767 Sex: Male Birth Date: 22 Dec 1896 Birthplace: Nebraska Death Date: 18 Jul 1943 Death Place: San Francisco Mother's Maiden Name: Hemmingway Father's Surname: Lovely ============================== World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 Name: Don Lovely County: Sheridan State: Wyoming Birth Date: 22 Dec 1896 [Kearney, Nebraska] FHL Roll Number: 2022321 DraftBoard: 0 Occupation: CB & O RR, Sheridan Wyoming Nearest Relative: [Henry Lovely, Mt Ayr, Iowa] ==================================================== About Donald H Lovely: Social Security Death Index Name: Donald H. Lovely SSN: 566-28-3950 Last Residence: 98466 Tacoma, Pierce, Washington Born: 2 Oct 1928 Died: 7 Feb 2010 State (Year) SSN issued: California (Before 1951) ================= Donald H. Lovely: Social Security Death Index (SSDI) Name: Donald H. Lovely Date of Birth: Tuesday October 02, 1928 Date of Death: Sunday February 07, 2010 Est. Age at death:81 years, 4 months, 5 days Last known residence: City: Tacoma; Fircrest; University Place County: Pierce State: Washington ZIP Code: 98466 According to public records, he lived (at some point) in Aberdeen, WA , no other relatives listed. ==================== No full obit found, just a notification. LOVELY Donald H.: Newspaper Obituary and Death Notice News Tribune, The (Tacoma, WA) - February 18, 2010 Deceased Name: LOVELY Donald H. LOVELY Donald H., 81, Tacoma, Feb. 7 No CaptionEdition: SOUTH SOUND Page: A08 Copyright (c) 2010 The News Tribune (Tacoma, WA) ================ Link to the funeral home page for Donald H Lovely. http://gaffneyfh.frontrunnerpro.com/runtime/2828/runtime.php?SiteId=2828&NavigatorId=51135&ItemId=392113&op=moreinfo&viewOpt=dpaneOnly. You may want to contact the funeral home. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: BarbaraMorgan3478 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/200/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Searching for ANY family link to Donald Harley Lovely born October 2 1928 in California, I believe in Modco County. 1930 census showed he lived in Alturas City, Modoc County, CA with his father Donald C. Lovely a widower born approx 1900 in Nebraska, Donald H. was approx 1 1/2yrs old at the time of the census. Only informaion on Donald H. mother is she came from Nebraska, no name given. Census showed the father's occupation as fireman with the railroad. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ehenvie Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/199.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: well first his name isn't Joseph it's Joe. That I know for a fact. It's not that I am not willing to pay. If I wasn't willing to invest some kind of money I wouldn't be on here. Those names you gave me can be from any tree. I need to make sure that his parents are so & so. There are a ton of Joe Fowler's out there with almost the same information. SO I need to find out how & what paper documents I can get that would list his parents. I am assuming his death record & marriage would. The information that I recieved from other people has helped and is right but from that information I haven't been able to find anything else. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dklart Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/199.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I'm not clear on what your brick wall is. It appears you've posted about this family on other boards and received detailed information. I would venture you've been given the correct info for the death for Joseph Herman Fowler. This was posted on another thread. http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.fowler/4427/mb.ashx Florida Death Index, 1877-1998 Name: Joe Herman Fowler Death Date: 8 Sep 1972 County of Death: Orange State of Death: Florida Age at Death: 57 Race: White Birth Date: 17 Oct 1914 His wife Mertie (nee Merck) Fowler died in the same Florida County. Florida Death Index, 1877-1998 Name: Mertie Vernet Fowler Death Date: Feb 1961 County of Death: Orange State of Death: Florida Race: White Gender: Female There's a high degree of probability that these records are for those you seek. If you don't want to order and pay for them, that's not a brick wall. ========================================================== This census record fits some of the criteria for Joseph Herman Fowler, (b 1914). The transcription is Ancestry.com, not mine. 1930 United States Federal Census Name: Hermon Fowler Home in 1930: Hopewell, Anderson, South Carolina Age: 15 Estimated birth year: abt 1915 Relation to Head of House: Son Father's name: Joe E Fowler Mother's name: Annie Fowler Race: White Household Members: Name Age Joe E Fowler 49 Annie Fowler 48 O C Fowler 17 Hermon Fowler 15 J D Fowler 12 Areatha Fowler 10 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: LHSwisher Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/199.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: As you state, you have Joe Kenneth Fowler's death date. (From the SSDI: Name: Joe Kenneth Fowler SSN: 249-56-1831 Last Residence: 29684 Starr, Anderson, South Carolina Born: 17 May 1938 Died: 20 Jul 2005 State (Year) SSN issued: South Carolina (1953) So you can either: 1) Pay for the death certificate 2) Pay to obtain a copy of his SS-5, the Social Security application, on which his parents should be listed. See here for how: http://search.ancestry.com/search/dbextra.aspx?dbid=3693 3) Investigate as to whether he had an obit, and see if a person, society or library will copy it for you. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ehenvie Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/199.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Yes I have tried to get any of theses documents and have no been succesful. Most of the documents you have to pay for but I am not going to pay for something if I am not sure it's him. I don't know how to get around that. No, I do not know any of his family besides his wife. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dklart Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/199.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: "I just need a birth certificate or marriage indicating who his parents are. Or a death if it lists parents" Have you tried to get any of these documents? Since you know the place and dates the deaths occurred, start there. You can google "Florida vital records, "South Carolina Vital records", and read how to obtain these records. You're not going to find documents on the internet, however you can find where and how to........ Have you looked for Joe Herman Fowler, B:1914 Anderson, SC in the 1920 and 1930 census? Do you know of any of his siblings? This is how you confirm whether the family you found is the correct one. If he had brothers and sisters, they'll be listed with him in those census records. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Try contacting the Forsyth County Library in Forsyth County, GA.  There are lots of Fowler's there and Anderson, SC is just across the border from GA.  I've always had good luck writing libraries for obituary copies when I know the exact death date.  No one in any library will scan scads of newspapers for an obituary.  You need the date, which you already have. Have you also tried "legacy.com" to confirm the information you have?  ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, January 16, 2011 1:31:26 PM Subject: Re: [BRICK-WALLS] Fowler This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: LHSwisher Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/199.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: As you state, you have Joe Kenneth Fowler's death date. (From the SSDI: Name:     Joe Kenneth Fowler SSN:     249-56-1831 Last Residence: 29684  Starr, Anderson, South Carolina Born:     17 May 1938 Died:     20 Jul 2005 State (Year) SSN issued: South Carolina (1953) So you can either: 1) Pay for the death certificate 2) Pay to obtain a copy of his SS-5, the Social Security application, on which his parents should be listed. See here for how: http://search.ancestry.com/search/dbextra.aspx?dbid=3693 3) Investigate as to whether he had an obit, and see if a person, society or library will copy it for you. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ehenvie Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/199/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have been working on both sides of my family for a while. the St.Amour side i got back pretty far. The Fowler side not so much. I can only go back to my great grandfather. Joe kenneth Fowler(grandfather) M. to Doris Turner B:1938 D: 2005 Starr, SC Joe Herman Fowler(g-grandfather) M. to Mertie Merck B:1914 Anderson , SC D: 1972 Orange county , FL. I cannot find anything else out and have been stuck with the fowler side for almost a year. I just need a birth certificate or marriage indicating who his parents are. Or a death if it lists parents. ANY HELP would be nice! Thank you! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ZlaticaBeca Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/76.3.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am sure they did but it was the family that arranged the marriage. We certaily could use the posters help in letting us know what documents she has collected on the ancestors. NYKYFORUK has roots in a first name NYKYFOR/NIKIFOR -ak, -chak, -chuk, and -uk, with the most popular being -enko, -chuk and -uk. All mean "son of." They are used with Christian names, surnames, and occupational names. For example, "Petrenko" is the "son of Petro (Peter)." Peter's wife would be known as "Petrykha," and a matronymic surname would be "Petryshyn," "son of Peter's wife." Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: chatterchit Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/76.3.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: That's a good point. Seems very unusual. Did they have "mail order" brides at that time and place? I'll see what arrivals come up under the name NYKYFORUK (and soundex versions)... Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ZlaticaBeca Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/76.3.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: chatterchit I have posted to the poster on Austria' board. My question is how did a Ruthenian/Ukrainian [Galicia, Austria] girl communicate with an English speaking man? Did she already know English? Most of the time our first ancestors tended to marry within same region, religion [few exceptions] but for sure one common language to communicate in and common tradition to observe. I think the surname is NYKYFORUK. I do not have a paid subscription to US or Canada's Ancestry. Maybe if we could locate "Sarah's" arrival record it might give us a location as that is what I am after. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: beatriceharris63 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/198.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: In studying you advice...I will try to clarify. The only thing I am sure of is that Arvel Clarence Carter is the father of all four children. (my Grandfather). He was born on Jan. 11, 1899, Idaho or Utah?. Father is Parley Pratt Carter and mother is Hannah Cecelia Rasmussen. Mormons. They moved from Utah to Magrath, Canada abt. 1901 Florence Marjorie Chernow is the mother of a child born in 1922, Browning, Mt. Mary Kirkpatrick Chernow is the mother of a girl born 1923, Sundland, Ca. and a boy born 1924, San Fernando, Ca. My father was born in Browning, Mt. 1925.I am sure that all 4 of the children were put in Twin Bridges State Orphanage, Mt.abt. 1926-27. He (my father) was adopted abt. 1929-30 and his birth record was changed to the adopted parents name and his name was changed from Carter to Harris. The girl (1923) and the boy (1924) were also adopted abt. 1929-30). The oldest girl(1922) was taken from the Orphanage by Arvel. Not sure when. She was the only one n! ot adopted. I have a census record for 1930 with all four children in Twin Bridges. The information on the census record is confusing. It shows Arvel being born in Ca. (he was born in Idaho/Utah?) and some of the children's place of birth not accurate. (I am sure of their place of birth and Arvel's birth and parents and info) They have their mother's place of birth...Russia. The only information that Arvel and Mary and Florence were married and she is the mother is the birth record. The things I am not sure of is that Mary is from Russia or info on her parents. I have found some infomation that looks like both Mary and a sister Florence came from Russia to Albeta, Canada with father Tony Chernow and mother Espontemio in abt. 1909. Again...I am not sure this is the right family. Some information I have recieved says that Tony came in 1909 and children came a year or two later. I am not sure why Mary is on some records and Florence on others in such a short time span and different states, although I know for sure that Arvel's parents Parley Pratt and Hannah Carter lived in Sunland, Ca. abt. 1926-30 then moved to Berger? or Burger?, Ca. abt. 1938. The problem I am not sure of much when it comes to my Grandmother (Mary or Florence). I have only recently found Arvel and Mary (Florence) as my father's birth parents because he was adopted. He has no memory of them and did not know he had a brother and sisters and They had no knowledge of him. The older sister has passed. I helped with their reunion after 80 some years and have been trying to piece together thier birth family. This might explain why my presentation is and was so confusing and complicated. I AM CONFUSED AND IT IS COMPLICATED! Especially for a novice geneologist. Thank You again for you advice....Bea Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ZlaticaBeca Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/76.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.ceeurope.austria.general/11908.1/mb.ashx MICKERFERISK is not a correct Ukrainian/Ruthenian surname. It is coming from a Canadian document. To me MICKERFERISK seems like the clerk did not know how to write NYKYFORUK. Take a listen to pronounciation: http://say.expressivo.com I would think the church this couple got married in would have Sarah's [what was her real name?] place of birth and parents names. The children's church baptismal also should have a place of birth of parents. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: beatriceharris63 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/198.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank You for your advice. Bea Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dklart Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/198.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: It appears from your posting history, you've received quite a bit data and sources to aid you in this search. It's not clear from this post what you've researched and understood from previous posts on other boards. It helps if you construct your post with the events and persons in chronological order and the sources you know to be valid. This will allow you and others to understand what you're looking for, where to look further, as well a be less confusing; ie complicated. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: beatriceharris63 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/198/mb.ashx Message Board Post: "Brick Wall"!!!!! I can find no information on my Grandmother.She married Arvel Clarence Carter abt. 1920-21?. Possibly in Alberta, Canada. (Magrath, Medincine Hat, or even Calgary). It may have been in Montana, also? She and Arvel lived in Browning, Mt in 1926. Arvel may have been known as "Kid" Carter and did some boxing in Canada, but also was a farmer in Montana.(Browning) I have her on two birth records as Mary Kirkpatrick Chernow. ( 1923, Sunland, Ca. and 1924 in San Fernando, Ca.) On one birth record for 1922, Browning, Mt) she is Florence Marjorie Chernow. Another birth in Browning, Mt. in 1925, not sure of which name on that one. I have found some info that states she was born in Russia abt. 1903-4 and may have immigrated to Canada 1909-1912. Have some info that her parents could Possibly? be Tony & Espontemio Chernow. Tony from Gome, Russia. I am not sure if Mary and Florence are the same person. Arvel is connected to both and all the children have him as the father. Arvel's brother Sylven Carter married a Freda Chernow in Cut Bank, Glacier Co., Mt. on July 26, 1921 and a Peter Chernow was named as her father with mother unknown. I do not know if there is a connection between Freda and Mary (Florence) Chernow. Any Help I can get with is Complicated situation would be Greatly Appreciated. Bea Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: chatterchit Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.researchresources.brick-20-walls/76.4/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Have you tried their death records and obits? Those might offer clues... Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.