To Bill Thomas and interested others, Bill, I never did get back to you about your insightful message of four years ago (attached below), but alas I never forgot it either. Recently, I have been trying to figure out the Garber/Garber families of the 1700s who lived close to Ephrata and found I had to agree with your analysis except I think the John Garber of Ephrata, listed by Morgan Edwards in 1770, was not Hans Gerber (b. 1737, d. 1805), but rather was his father, Hans Gerber (b. 1710, d. 1767). The father apparently died three years before 1770, but we have no way of knowing what records were given to Morgan Edwards by the Ephrata Community prior to 1770. The reason I do not think it was Hans Garber, the son, is because the son's history after his father died was antithetical to Brethren ways. His life story is described rather vividly online in "Crawford County, Pennsylvania, Military Affairs, Revolutionary War Veterans, John Garber." Although, it is less-dramatically described in Garver and Masters, "Gerber, Garber, and Garver Progenitors in Pennsylvania: Part One," Pennsylvania Mennonite Heritage, July 1999, p. 29, neither of these accounts leads me to believe that he was a member of the Ephrata Church. The age, life experiences, and Brethren connections of Hans Gerber (1710-1767), the father, seem to me to fit better with being a member at Ephrata. Dwayne Wrightsman From: "William Thomas" < wbtst2@atlanticbb.net> Subject: Re: [BRE] Who was John Garber of the Ephrata Community...ps Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:42:10 -0400 In-Reply-To: <003b01ca3fbe$5e74a7c0$1b5df740$@net> Dwayne: I did some more research on my Garber info, and have another possible candidate. Hans Gerber (b. 1737, d. 1805) was the son of immigrant Hans Gerber (b. 1710, d. 1767). The elder Hans Gerber was part of an early Amish settlement in Cocalico. In 1745 he purchased property in Leacock Township from Elizabeth (Thommen) Shively and Ulrich Shively, that Elizabeth inherited from her father Jacob. Ulrich was a German Baptist, and Elizabeth's father Jacob Thommen was a member of the Ephrata Cloister. The younger Hans Gerber lived on property he purchased from his father in Earl and Warwick Townships. The info does not list the name of Hans wife. It is noted in the footnotes that Hans is possibly the John Garber at Ephrata, who was a member along with his wife. It is noteworthy that Hans had a sister Barbara (b. 1746, d. 1810) married to Henry Newcomer, and is buried in the Dunker Cemetery at Beaver Creek Maryland. So Hans has several German Baptist connections. Bill Thomas

I think you may have misdirected this email. Regards, Dick Erickson On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Dwayne Wrightsman <dwayne55@comcast.net>wrote: > To Bill Thomas and interested others, > > > > Bill, I never did get back to you about your insightful message of four > years ago (attached below), but alas I never forgot it either. Recently, I > have been trying to figure out the Garber/Garber families of the 1700s who > lived close to Ephrata and found I had to agree with your analysis except I > think the John Garber of Ephrata, listed by Morgan Edwards in 1770, was not > Hans Gerber (b. 1737, d. 1805), but rather was his father, Hans Gerber (b. > 1710, d. 1767). The father apparently died three years before 1770, but we > have no way of knowing what records were given to Morgan Edwards by the > Ephrata Community prior to 1770. > > > > The reason I do not think it was Hans Garber, the son, is because the son's > history after his father died was antithetical to Brethren ways. His life > story is described rather vividly online in "Crawford County, > Pennsylvania, Military Affairs, Revolutionary War Veterans, John Garber." > Although, it is less-dramatically described in Garver and Masters, "Gerber, > Garber, and Garver Progenitors in Pennsylvania: Part One," Pennsylvania > Mennonite Heritage, July 1999, p. 29, neither of these accounts leads me to > believe that he was a member of the Ephrata Church. > > > > The age, life experiences, and Brethren connections of Hans Gerber > (1710-1767), the father, seem to me to fit better with being a member at > Ephrata. > > > > Dwayne Wrightsman > > > > From: "William Thomas" < wbtst2@atlanticbb.net> > Subject: Re: [BRE] Who was John Garber of the Ephrata Community...ps > Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:42:10 -0400 > In-Reply-To: <003b01ca3fbe$5e74a7c0$1b5df740$@net> > > > Dwayne: > > I did some more research on my Garber info, and have another possible > candidate. > > Hans Gerber (b. 1737, d. 1805) was the son of immigrant Hans Gerber (b. > 1710, d. 1767). The elder Hans Gerber was part of an early Amish settlement > in Cocalico. In 1745 he purchased property in Leacock Township from > Elizabeth (Thommen) Shively and Ulrich Shively, that Elizabeth inherited > from her father Jacob. Ulrich was a German Baptist, and Elizabeth's father > Jacob Thommen was a member of the Ephrata Cloister. The younger Hans Gerber > lived on property he purchased from his father in Earl and Warwick > Townships. The info does not list the name of Hans wife. It is noted in > the footnotes that Hans is possibly the John Garber at Ephrata, who was a > member along with his wife. It is noteworthy that Hans had a sister Barbara > (b. 1746, d. 1810) married to Henry Newcomer, and is buried in the Dunker > Cemetery at Beaver Creek Maryland. So Hans has several German Baptist > connections. > > Bill Thomas > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dwyane: What you state makes sense. The older John was likely Amish when he immigrated with his father (also named John) in 1737, since he immigrated on a boat with a number of Amish, and was part of a financial bond with two known Amish. Amish historians note that they lost many members to the early Brethren. I also don't see John Jr. in the 1777 non-assoicator list for Paxton Township, which is where he lived during the Revolution. Bill Thomas PS: that was 4 years ago! Time is a flying! -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dwayne Wrightsman Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 2:55 PM To: Brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRE] Who was the John Garber of the Ephrata Community? Revisited To Bill Thomas and interested others, Bill, I never did get back to you about your insightful message of four years ago (attached below), but alas I never forgot it either. Recently, I have been trying to figure out the Garber/Garber families of the 1700s who lived close to Ephrata and found I had to agree with your analysis except I think the John Garber of Ephrata, listed by Morgan Edwards in 1770, was not Hans Gerber (b. 1737, d. 1805), but rather was his father, Hans Gerber (b. 1710, d. 1767). The father apparently died three years before 1770, but we have no way of knowing what records were given to Morgan Edwards by the Ephrata Community prior to 1770. The reason I do not think it was Hans Garber, the son, is because the son's history after his father died was antithetical to Brethren ways. His life story is described rather vividly online in "Crawford County, Pennsylvania, Military Affairs, Revolutionary War Veterans, John Garber." Although, it is less-dramatically described in Garver and Masters, "Gerber, Garber, and Garver Progenitors in Pennsylvania: Part One," Pennsylvania Mennonite Heritage, July 1999, p. 29, neither of these accounts leads me to believe that he was a member of the Ephrata Church. The age, life experiences, and Brethren connections of Hans Gerber (1710-1767), the father, seem to me to fit better with being a member at Ephrata. Dwayne Wrightsman From: "William Thomas" < wbtst2@atlanticbb.net> Subject: Re: [BRE] Who was John Garber of the Ephrata Community...ps Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:42:10 -0400 In-Reply-To: <003b01ca3fbe$5e74a7c0$1b5df740$@net> Dwayne: I did some more research on my Garber info, and have another possible candidate. Hans Gerber (b. 1737, d. 1805) was the son of immigrant Hans Gerber (b. 1710, d. 1767). The elder Hans Gerber was part of an early Amish settlement in Cocalico. In 1745 he purchased property in Leacock Township from Elizabeth (Thommen) Shively and Ulrich Shively, that Elizabeth inherited from her father Jacob. Ulrich was a German Baptist, and Elizabeth's father Jacob Thommen was a member of the Ephrata Cloister. The younger Hans Gerber lived on property he purchased from his father in Earl and Warwick Townships. The info does not list the name of Hans wife. It is noted in the footnotes that Hans is possibly the John Garber at Ephrata, who was a member along with his wife. It is noteworthy that Hans had a sister Barbara (b. 1746, d. 1810) married to Henry Newcomer, and is buried in the Dunker Cemetery at Beaver Creek Maryland. So Hans has several German Baptist connections. Bill Thomas ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message