I appreciate the research, and conclusions. The only reason I had suggested the David Stoner, was that we had no record in Clermont or Brown/Highland Cos OH of another Stouder Family - just the wife and children of John Stouder there at Obannon. That John had a brother, David, makes things more reasonable (John -w Sarah Brown - had a son named David - who came to the Obannon - this David died about 1812). The considered David Stoner was in early Highland Co, come up from Kentucky, and he was a Brethren minister. Philip Stoner (wife Plantina Stutzman) was an early settler at Obannon - 1800 - sold and moved north in 1803 (Virginia Bounty Lands sale) (they came from the Conococheague [?Md] - to Morrisons Cove PA - to the Obannon). >From what you've said, there seems to be no record of the brother, David Stouder, after that 1776, non-enroller record in Frederick Co MD. So we do not know anything about him. He could have come to the Obannon (1795), or other nearby Brethren settlement, there just is No Record - or so far, I have not found any - yes, and soon died. The John Stouder family came to the Obannon after John's death (1807 - Cambria Co PA). The original log Obannon Church building (c1822) was in the middle of the Stouder Cemetery (a mile east of Goshen OH - a mile south of OH28). I might also note, that from my research in Kentucky, a number of Primitive Baptist Churches were originally Baptist Brethren Churches (us - our name long before we became German Baptist Brethren) - and as a result of the problems the Carolinas and Kentucky had with the Pennsylvania-Maryland Elders (1790-1820) - these "expelled" Brethren often became "Primitive Baptists" (true in Kentucky - possibly so in the Carolinas/southern Virginia?). There are a couple Primitive Baptist Churches today, one in Clermont Co OH - another in Highland Co OH - that hold the feetwashing in the full communion! (No, they hold to single immersion baptism.) I think the origin of these Primitive Baptists - in the many locations where there was a Baptist Brethren Church that "disappeared" - churches having early families that held the early Brethren family names - was that they WERE the Brethren Church, just no longer part of the "Annual Meeting" Brethren, and they accepted the incoming English Baptists, but strongly held to the New Testament "Primitive Christianity". Merle ---------------------------------------- From: "Dwayne Wrightsman" <dwayne55@comcast.net> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 4:59 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] The Mysterious David Stouder(s) I believe the Joseph Stouder of Fairfield County, OH, that you mention was the oldest son of David and Mary Hiestand Stouder who came to Ohio from Page County, Virginia. David and Mary Stouder's family lived in Liberty Township, Fairfield County, prior to 1806 but not earlier than 1801 (based on Pleasant Run Baptist Church records). In Virginia they were members of the Mill Creek Church, or Whitehouse Church, which were joint Mennonite and Primitive Baptist Churches. The Hiestand family was Mennonite. The Primitive Baptist Church was probably not German Baptist Brethren. Dwayne Wrightsman -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bill Thomas Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 1:26 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] The Mysterious David Stouder(s) On page 151 of the History of Fairfield County, OH, is a reference to a Joseph Stouder, who was an early member of a Baptist Church in the county formed in 1832. Likely a descendent of the Stouder you refer to below, so I thought I'd pass this on. This history can be downloaded off the web. Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: Dwayne Wrightsman Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 10:47 AM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] The Mysterious David Stouder(s) After giving it more thought, the argument of a single David Stauder might make more sense if one eliminates the David Stauder who married Mary Hiestand. The Hiestand family of Page County, Virginia, was mostly Mennonite rather than Brethren. The Stauders who lived on the east side of the Monocacy River, across from Creagerstown, and north of Fredericktown, were Brethren and were surrounded by Brethren families. The David Stauder who was a non-enroller, along with the John Stouder, also a non-enroller, April 11, 1776, may have been the Elder David Stauder who founded the Stonelick Brethren Church in Clermont County, Ohio, in 1795. He may have died in Ohio shortly thereafter. After John Stouder's death in 1807, his widow Sarah (Brown) Stouder and her children and her grandchildren moved to Clermont County, Ohio, and made their home there. I believe that the David Stouder who founded the Stonelick Brethren Church was truly a Stouder, and not a "Stoner" as others have suggested. Dwayne Wrightsman -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dwayne Wrightsman Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 11:20 AM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRE] The Mysterious David Stouder(s) Having spent a week or so learning more about the Stouder families, I still cannot identify the mysterious "David Stouder(s)." There are three of these mysterious "David Stouder(s)." (1) The first one is the David Stouder who with John Stouder were listed and fined, April 11, 1776, as Non-Enrollers of Frederick County, Maryland, during the Revolutionary War. (2) The second one is the David Stouder who married Mary Hiestand of Virginia (Shenandoah/Page County) in circa 1785, their family moving later to Fairfield County, Ohio. (3) The third one is the Elder, David Stouder, who founded the Stonelick Brethren Church in Clermont County, Ohio, in 1795. My thoughts are that these three David Stouders were probably one and the same. I think that John Stouder and David Stouder were brothers, sons of Christian Stouder of Frederick County, Maryland, and that they went their separate ways at or near the time that their father, Christian, died in 1792(?). We know that John Stouder moved from Maryland to Pennsylvania and died there around 1807 or 1808, and that John's widow Sarah (Brown) Stouder and her children and grandchildren moved to Clermont County, Ohio, after John's death. We also know about the Hiestand family of Virginia, but not about the David Stouder who married Mary Hiestand. Where did he come from? How did they meet? Does anyone know? 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