Judy, I have an old copy of John Wise's last sermon. I know we will never hear his voice but we can know his thoughts. Much of it is on the sacraments of washing of the feet and the Lord' supper. When I started this email I thought I had a scan of it and could go right to it but I have changed computers so many times I have no idea where I would have filed it. I have the old hard drive on this computer but cannot find it on either that or the new one. I need a new scanner and will get around to doing another scan. It is very long so it will probably be after Christmas before I can get it scanned but it is something I need to do for myself and others. When I get that done I will probably send a scanned copy to Wayne Webb so he can archive it if he wants to. For Andrea, if you read the Some who Led section of the DVD or in the archives Wayne Webb has done, it will tell you why he might have left. He was a great evangelist and believed in the mission field. Apparently there was some controversy over some of that but that was his belief and probably why he traveled so much. Ruth On 12/9/2013 4:52 PM, JFlorian wrote: > On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Andrea Colley <raggs@cox.net> wrote: > ...I'm trying to find out why my GGG Grandfather Elder John Wise left the > Ten Mile Creek Congregation in > Washington County Pennsylvania and settled in the Mulberry Grove/Vandalia > area. > --- > Hi Andrea, > > There are several patterns regarding MD to Washington Co PA migrations. In > a recent post, I described some of the routes into SW PA, but there were > also patterns. > > Between 1800 to 1820s, for example, numerous Brethren or related families > moved from Frederick Co MD to Washington Co PA. Raymond Bell, dec'd, wrote > about one of the early Brethren (Arnold & Leatherman marriage, if memory > serves) in Fayette Co PA. We also know the Ecklin?? Bros (names are > difficult for me to recall today) explored the Greene Co area of Ten Mile > Creek abt 1744, were captured by Indians, taken to Canada etc. Histories > make it clear that the Congregation of German Baptists (e.g. Ten Mile COB) > extended through Washington Co, Greene Co and Fayette Co in the earliest > years-- My hypothesis is "Ten Mile" as a congregation likely existed by at > least 1760 or before. Yes, that is before Washington Co PA officially > became a county, before it officially opened to settlers. But we know > Arnold-Leatherman(?) lived on the Fayette side of the river across from Ten > Mile, and I feel certain that as more researchers look at their Brethren > families in these 3 counties, they will find one or more persons in the > family ventured into SW PA very early--at least in some families. > > The first membership book is labeled "before 1838" (again, going by > memory). Though no earlier books exist, we can use deeds and other sources > (Tax) to determine when people entered the area... and knowledge about > Brethren Affiliations prior to moving. > > Patterns in Moving > 1800-1820 - Influx from Frederick Co MD to Washington Co PA. - Whole > families, Single Persons, Married Couples with/without kids > Concurrently - Exodus from Washington Co PA.to Ohio lands -- again mixes of > Whole families, Single Persons, Married Couples with/without kids > By late 1820s early 1830s - Exodus into Indiana / Illinois... and West > > But, it's important to remember that in migrations, families "split" in > strange ways. We'll never know why, except personal / family decisions. > For examples in moving: > Family A - grandma/grandpa, 2 of 6 adult kids and their families, single > adults M/F - rest stayed put > Family B - grandparents stay put, and 1 or more Kids with their families > move, plus single adults M/F > Family C - One or more Adults married w/ Kids -- adults are related, such > as cousins -- all others stay put. > Family D - One Adult married couple w/ or w/out Kids > Family E - A single man, often who just passed age 21. Sometimes, 2 or > more single men related or unrelated traveled together. > Family F - Some single or married men/with families -- the man just > "disappeared" without warning. Later the young man somehow let the family > in Washington Co know their whereabouts, often via letter, or for example, > Letter to the Editor of The Observer, or The Reporter (depends on year). > Some took aliases. In my family, I think we had 3 who "disappeared" -- > One concocted a "murder" story about himself. Another took an alias and > left his 5 kids/wife. Another just up and left. > > Reasons to move based on occupations-- top occupations were: > Farmer > Preacher > Teacher > Lawyer > All others, like Mercantile/Business, Blacksmiths, Millers, Saw Mills, > animal herders/driver, etc. > NOTE: Back then, everyone had "dual occupations"... Farmer and Preacher; > Farmer and Lawyer; etc. > > Reasons-------- > LAND, LAND, LAND--- every farmer needed land, including cattle or sheep > farmers.. If a family had 12 kids and half were boys, they couldn't get > much by splitting their dad's 100 acres... they HAD to move on. > Family Ties - someone else went before them > Church ties - others already moved > Evangelizing (plus land) - to spread the word of God and take care of "the > flock" > "support" services--- every farm needed horses/cows/oxen... so a herd > driver and blacksmith could earn a living in the new territory > Need for schools, education - Schools one of the first buildings to be > erected in new locations-- e.g. house--> church--> school > With Land transactions plus anywhere people are, the "Law" > follows...lawyers. > Lastly - the oldest reason, human needs for space, for land ownership, for > adventure to "somewhere new"... Of course, most new locations end up being > lots like the old location. > Westward Expansion -- Land Dealers from Mid-West//West posted "ads" in > newspapers even in New England States... the call westward was incessant. > "Jobs" is inherent in each of these but instead of "I need a job", it first > was "I need land-- I need room". > > Ways to travel, even with babies / children: > on foot > on horse > with cart / wagon > by river travel > (later, by train) > > > So we come to Rev. John Wise. To my knowledge, my families are not related > but John Wise was so strongly associated with my families that I find him > fascinating. Wise was born 1822 (? memory)... 12 years junior to my Rev > Daniel Lane, yet...Wise exceeded Lane in many ways. Lane's son, James Polk > Lane, was a Ten Mile Deacon. R.J. Lane Sr was also.. Daniel Lane's adult > grandchildren also took places in church leadership. Daniel Lane assisted > or was assisted by other preachers at Ten Mile. My hypothesis is two fold: > 1. John Wise wanted to move, and felt Ten Mile was under strong enough and > sound "conservative" (vs Progressives) leadership with Daniel Lane and > others. 2. Wise possibly had a calling or a Church (as a body) request to > expand the Brethren faith. This was usual among all churches. > > Wise was always described as a forceful speaker, strong leader, with a > steadfast faith and 'zeal'. Daniel Lane was not criticized per se but his > obit said something like he never felt the passion to go further with his > religious gifts. Wise was a great orator... likely, Lane was sufficient > but possibly more average?? Lane could take care of a flock, but Wise > seems to have been a driving force in any congregation he associated with. > There may also have been tensions at Ten Mile.. in Minutes, Lane with > others often went as a Committee to persons who were not behaving well or > otherwise weren't measuring up to church standards. For example, the > congregation had a male who beat his wife so badly it went to court. > Others were dancing or dressing unfavorably. > > Overall, though, I think Ten Mile was stable enough for Wise to feel he > could go to another area and 'expand' his own life and the Brethren faith. > Problems at Ten Mile could happen in any congregation. Of course, this is > only my opinion from the general 'feel' I got from sources and family > stories. I wish they'd kept detailed records... but... back then, paper > was better used to fill drafty cracks in houses. > > I still wish I could have heard sermons from Wise and Lane... > > Judy Florian > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message