Yes - my internet provider dropped access to this part of Indiana - then I had opportunity to go "broadband" Microwave Internet access - and had to change my address anyway - I'm getting ready to move in to one of my daughter's houses, in Richmond IN, and may have to change again! I've put this research together as an "e-book" - The Frontier Brethren. What I did was take 75 families that were known Brethren in the Carolinas and Western Pennsylvania, and follow them for a couple generations. when their children or grandchildren were still Brethren in Illinois, Missouri and Iowa - I considered them to be Brethren in Kentucky. (so a lot of the "book" is genealogy of those 75 families - the Welty's were one - and below - a William Welty married an Elizabeth Chapman - at Drakes Creek. I have located some 22 Kentucky Settlements (with several "churches" at each) where the various members of these families located. None of them are now Brethren. I was very interested in what happened to these "Brethren Families" - after they were "no longer Brethren". The book includes several churches in Southern Indiana (one where my dad preached -and I've visited the others) and two churches in far southern Ohio - both of whom I have lived. OK - my younger son lives at Nashville Tn - going down I-65, I have stopped at Gold City (site of the Lick Creek Primitive Baptist Church - originally one of the Drakes Creek churches) and even found a record of its early members (at the Archives in Franklin KY. Enclosed below are a couple selections that I have written up on them. I did not find much on the Chapman families. (I've blackened them - below.) I have a picture of the Lick Creek Church site on a PowerPoint Presentation at www.cob-net.org/docs/brethrenlife.htm. "Kentucky Frontier Brethren". I gave this at the Pittsburg Annual Conference - several years ago (speaker - Brethren Genealogy Society) We do not have information on the Kentucky Churches - except as I and a couple others have done research. As near as I can determine, there was a conflict between these "Frontier Brethren" and the denomination leaders (I call them the "Annual Meeting Elders") - back about 1820. There was the Cane Ridge Revival in 1809 (at Paris KY, near Lexington), which became involved with the Frontier Brethren. In 1816-17 was the New Madrid (Missouri) earthquake - most severe we have ever had in the continental US - 8.9 on the Richter Scale (rang church bells in Boston MASS and Los Angeles CA). The first two months had repeated aftershocks - rated at 8.0 and higher, with 2 years of lesser aftershocks - about 7.0. At New Madris, the Mississippi River "ran upstream" for 2 hours (the River is a mile and a half across there - you can just see the far shore). One comment made repeatedly was: "The Lord is Coming - and I'm not Ready!" The Disciples of Christ and Church of Christ were direct outgrowths of these events. The Annual Meeting Elders refused to accept the effects on these "Frontier Brethren" and "kicked them out" (Coming out the new National Road [US40] in 1827 and following - "What do we do with these 'Strange Brethren'?" - "Avoid Them!" (the Ban). Many Brethren went Disciples of Christ/Church of Christ. Many went Primitive Baptist. Some stayed with their origin as Pietists -and went Methodist. One Pietist belief - common at Drakes Creek - was "Eternal Restoration" (that God so loved his created people, that he would not leave them in Hell, forever) - this moved into Univeralism - and was first rejected in the Caroiinas (1790s), which we then find among the Hendricks family at Drakes Creek - who carried it with them to southern Illinois and Cape Girardeau MO. (Although there were some in many or most of the churches of that time - including clear up here to the Four Mile Church - south of Boston IN - where I am preaching.) Two of Daniel Boone's brothers (Squire Jr and George) were Brethren preachers. The Hinkston Creek Church (East Union KY) was probably the biggest - 200 members before 1800 (my own ancestor came through there). There were several settlements along the main migration roads (see Migration Roads at cob-net - a series of papers and another Power Point Presentation) - and coming down the Ohio River. That's a quick summary of what I have found - I would be glad to see what you have on your family - I do have a John Chapman and a Thomas Chapman at Drakes Creek - but that is all I could find at the time. Merle C Rummel ************ A nice man at the Brethren Website gave me your contact information. I'm forwarding to you my original query regarding the Brethren turned Baptist church in pioneer Kentucky. My husband's ancestors were part of the congregation and I'm trying to find out more about them. Any leads would be much appreciated. (I also discovered that my relatives on my Father's side belonged to a brethren church in Southern Illinois (Saline or Hardin County). This might be a topic for another time.) Thanks! Crystal Cunningham Chapman ------- Original Message ------- I'm doing some genealogy research and came across an Ancestry.com Roots Web thread from May 2005 by Merle C. Rummel. The corresponding email address for Mr. Rummel is no longer good. *********** p40f Drakes Creek, Warren Co (primarily now Simpson Co) On the Cumberland Trace, south on Drakes Creek, was the Drakes Creek Church, residence of Elder John Hendricks, after he left the Forks of the Yadkin in North Carolina. Other ministers here were Gaspar Roland and his son Joseph, and William Lowe. Names we have identified as possible Brethren at Drakes Creek include: John Barnhart, Thomas Chapman, Matthew and William Hamm, John and Thomas Hendricks, the Hunsaker Families, Jacob Keithly, William Lowe, George Martin, Jasper and Joseph Roland, Elias and James Smith, Abraham Welty, Lawrence and Rudolph Yountz: Thomas Hendrix, Sr. made his home here, as well as his son Thomas Hendrix, Jr before moving to Nashville TN. Thomas Hendricks III moved to Madison Co IN. John Barnhart from Virginia and John and Thomas Chapman helped to make up the membership of the church. Another early pioneer was John Bower, Sr. There are also the possible families of: Holcomb, Sears, Shults, Stagner, Teal and Thompson. The Lick Creek Primitive Baptist Church, at Gold City, seems to have been a successor of this church. An early membership list includes several of the Brethren family names. Identified Drakes Creek Church families John Dick/Mary Danner [DK-11] - to Sangamon Co IL Peter Dick/Christina Shutt [DK-14] - to Cass Co IL Conrad Dick/Charlotte Harrald [DK-15] George Harmon/Catherine Sears [SR-17] - to Sangamon Co IL John Hendricks/Frena Welty [HK-1] Charles Loyd/Catherine Hendricks [HK-11] James Hendricks/Catherine Carlock [HK-12] - to Cape Girardeau Co MO Daniel Welty/Mary Hendricks [HK-13] - to Cape Girardeau Co MO Jesse Langston/Christiana Hendricks [HK-14] John C Hendricks/Mary [HK-15] - to Cape Cirardeau Co MO/Adams Co IL Rachel Hendricks [HK-16] Isaac Miller/Elizabeth Hendricks [HK-17] - to Cape Girardeau Co MO William Hendricks/Elizabeth Shell [HK-18] - to Sangamon Co IL Abraham Hendricks/Jane Cox [HK-19] - to Daviess Co MO Henry Hendricks/Hester Lee [HK-1A] - to Liberty IL Daniel Hendricks/Mary S Crouse [HK-1B] John Hendricks [HK-212] Daniel Hendricks [HK-216] Daniel Hendricks/Mary Roland [HK-23] - Carthage MO John L Hendricks [HK-231] James Hendricks/Mary Freeland [HK-232] Benjamin Coon/Mary Hendricks [HK-233] Henry R Shelton/Elizabeth Hendricks [HK-234] Joel Banks/Rachel Hendricks [HK-235] Cannon Brown/Catherine Hendricks [HK-236] Daniel Hendricks [HK-237] Thomas Hendricks II/Catherine Darnell - to Davidson Co TN Jacob Keithley/Barbara Roland [KL-1] Isaac Hostetter/Mary Keithley [KL-11] - to St Charles Co MO Jacob Keithley [KL-12] - to Pike Co MO Daniel Roland/Elizabeth Keithley [KL-13] - to St Charles Co MO Joseph Keithley/Elizabeth Burkett/Pauline Beashears [KL-15] - to Pike Co MO Abraham Keithley/Tennie Roland [KL-16] - to St Charles Co MO Samuel Keithley/Mary Burket/Nancy Sanders/ Mary (Gilbert) Stone [KL-17] - to St Charles Co Mo Roland Keithley/Amu Camplen/ Harriet Shohony [KL-18] - to Pike Co MO Alfred Dithmeyer/Patsey Keithley [KL-19] - to IL William Keithley/Charlotta Castlio/Ann M (Lloyd) Duncan [KL-1A] - to Texas Levi Keithley/Fannie White/Helen Bell [KL-1B] - to Bell Co Peter Graves/Catherine Keithley [KL-1C] - to Davidson Co TN Daniel Keithley/Miss Owens/Emma F Wilmot [KL-1D] - to St Charles Co MO Absolom Keithley/Cenia Castilo [KL-1E] - to Gilmore MO Obadiah Keithley/Hermacinthia Scott/Elizabeth (Stone) Howell [KL-1F] - to Texas Joel H Roper/Sarah Keithley [KL-1G] - to St Charles Co MO Isaac Keithley/Elizabeth Northcutt [KL-1H] William Lowe/Nancy Owens [LW-1] - minister Andrew Reed/Sarah Lowe [LW-11] Nathaniel Beckham/Elizabeth Lowe [LW-12] John Reed/Edey Lowe [LW-13] Isaac W Lowe/Mary B Boydstun/Harriet A Lother [LW-14] - to Dallas Co TX John Beckham/Martha J Lowe [LW-15] Prior P Lowe/Nancy Greathouse [LW-16] Tilford Lowe/Mary Gipson [LW-17] William Lowe/Permelia Greer [LW-18] Nancy P Lowe [LW-19] Azel Simpson/Juliana Lowe [LW-1A] Hobson H Lowe/Nancy H Mannen [LW-1B] John H Lowe/Artillissa Mitchell [LW-1C] Gaspar Roland/Mary Meyer Hunsaker [RL-1] Joseph Roland/Catherine Dobbins [RL-19] - to Sangamon Co IL John Roland/Esther Pepple [RL-11] Gaspar Roland/Elizabeth Keithley [RL-18] Joseph Roland/Catherine Dobbins [RL-19] - to Lincoln Co MO Peter Welty/Elizabeth [WL-12] Daniel Welty/Mary Hendricks [WL-121] - to Cape Girardeau Co MO Meshach Finn/Elizabeth Welty [WL-122] Abraham Welty/Sarah Hendricks [WL-123] - to Cape Girardeau Co MO William Welty/Elizabeth Chapman [WL-127]************* Jacob Welty/Rachel- to Cape Girardeau Co MO [WL-13] David Welty/Mary Brown - to Highland Co OH [WL-14] Abraham Welty/Mary Roland [WL-16] - to Lincoln Co MO __________________ p286 WL-127 William WELTY................................m...................................... ............Elizabeth CHAPMAN b..........1806............................................................. ..............................b...........1820 d. ........1884 Simpson Co KY..............................................................d........... .1892 Simpson Co KY f. Peter Welty m. Elizabeth ch: ....Martha........(1845-1909) ....Helen..........(1847-1883) ....Mary F.........(1849-1905) ....Sophronia..(1857-1941) m.........................Wakefield......Simpson Co Ky ....Susan.........(1857-1859) ....William H...(1859-1893) m.................Mary J Finn............Simpson Co KY _________________ p370 The Cumberland Trace (sometimes called the "Hunter's Trace") A third branch of the Wilderness road, the Cumberland Trace, was blazed through the Green River Country going to Fort Nashboro (Nashville TN) on the Cumberland River. The Trace branched westward off the Logan's Path of the Wilderness Road at Benjamin Logan's Fort, Stanford, in Lincoln County KY. A few miles west along the Trace was the McCormick's Christian Church. Traditions of this church could mean that it was originally a Brethren church. Continuing west from Fort Logan, the Cumberland Trace followed a path that is now often farm fields or back roads. It reached the village of Hustonville. Main Street in Hustonville is named the Cumberland Trace (KY78). From here, the original Cumberland Trace veered slightly off to the southwest to Nealy's Gap and down Russell's branch to Ellisburg. (Ky78) The Trail crossed the south fork of the Rolling Fork River and Sinking Creek to near Campbellsville, then crossed the ridge to Trace Creek and followed it on KY88 to a ford crossing the Green River about three miles west of Greensburg. A settlement of Brethren is found here, calling this "Green River Country". Continuing on KY88, the Trace crossed the Little Barren River at Elk Lick Ford, then continued westward to near Cave City and Mammoth Cave. From here it seems to have been followed closely by US31W to McFadin's Station, crossing the Barren River at Ewing's Ford near the mouth of Drake's Creek (approximately where I-65 crosses the Barren River, 4 miles E. of Bowling Green). The Cumberland Trace continued south following along Drakes Creek to the Tennessee State Line. Later Baptist churches on Lick Creek and Trammel's Fork, were descended from the Drakes Creek Brethren Church. Continuing south in Tennessee in the Red River Valley, along approximately US31W, the Cumberland Trace came to Mansker's Station at Goodlettsville. Here the Trace was met by a later road from Eastern Tennessee (from Kingston or the Holston River, variously called the Avery Trace or Emery Road), this road was poorly built, and for years was not open to wagon traffic. The twelve mile road from Mansker's Fort to Fort Nashboro (Nashville), on the Cumberland River, followed buffalo trails near the present day Dickerson Road. The Fort was on the south side of the River. A Brethren settlement was farther south and west in Dickerson County.