Yup, same here. Wonder what tomorrow may bring. Wet ice, most likely. Hope we can make it to Abe's. If we can, I'm having something warmish, since the temp should be about 40 , yea. ----- Original Message ----- From: <brethren-request@rootsweb.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 2:00 AM Subject: BRETHREN Digest, Vol 9, Issue 33 > > > Plain digests are sent to subscribers with all posts listed in one long > email. The alternative is MIME digests, which for many subscribers will > appear with each post as an individual attachment, although for others, > there is just one attachment. The default digest delivery is Plain, but if > you want your digest in MIME, please contact us at > BRETHREN-admin@rootsweb.com directly and we'll switch you over. > > To reply to a message, quote only that specific message, removing the rest > of the digest from your reply. Also, remember to change the subject of > your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are > replying. > > To browse the archives, visit > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=brethren > > Thanks, > your co-moderators > BRETHREN-admin@rootsweb.com > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Reasons to be married by a JP (Pat McArtor) > 2. Re: Charles Roszel (john shafer) > 3. Thank you, all! (Melanie Rice) > 4. Re: German Dunkards recent history story (Pat J.) > 5. Re: Thank you, all! (Merle Rummel) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 06:49:49 -0500 > From: Pat McArtor <pmca2@frontier.com> > Subject: [BRE] Reasons to be married by a JP > To: brethren@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <52FF545D.30604@frontier.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Dave, > > I'm so glad that you pointed this out. I heard that this same thing > happened to couple about 25 years ago at the COB where I was attending. > The woman had been attending our services but was not a member. She was > divorced with older children. When she wanted to marry again our pastor > wouldn't perform the service...... I'm sure that this is just another > reason some couples were married by JPs. > > Another point, at least in the early 1800s Quaker community, if only one > of the couple was a member, they ended up being married by a JP or > sometimes a minister of another denomination. Pat > > Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 17:58:20 -0500 (EST) > From:DESloan@aol.com > Subject: Re: [BRE] couple married by JOP > > > When my now wife and I were planning on marrying in Ohio 1969. My wife had > attended a non-denominational church in the country and she said she would > like to get married there. We drove out to the church and talked with the > minister. He refused to marry us because my wife had been married and > divorced, On the way back to town we discussed what our options were. One > of > those options was a JP. > > Thanks, Dave > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 07:35:32 -0500 > From: john shafer <shaferjp@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [BRE] Charles Roszel > To: "brethren@rootsweb.com" <brethren@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BAY407-EAS254F7447054A53CA034AC08DE9F0@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I have never heard Roszell as a dunker name. However, although marriage > outside the brethren was not encouraged, it did happen and since the > brethren baptized adults rather than infants young people at times met and > loved people from other faiths. When the brethren partner later desired > to join the church his or her spouse would have needed to do so as well. > Also in some places and times the brethren could be rather evangelical > although we are less so today. So families who were not brethren chose > the faith. This seems to have been true of my shaffer family. It is > interesting that your ancestor is listed as German, but there was such a > mix of peoples in the German states with all the strife and displacement > from the thirty years war etc that people with various ethnic backgrounds > were living in proximity. Your family could even be French Huguenot as > discussed earlier on the list. But not sure where the Anglican comes in > unless there has been inconsistency in the re! > search. Just a few thoughts > > John > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 14, 2014, at 9:49 PM, "Marc Roszell" <marcr@ciaccess.com> wrote: >> >> I apologize for asking this same question again. The first time, I >> quickly received 3 very helpful replies and then a long silence. I think >> somehow I was then disconnected from this list and maybe missed some >> information. As well, the recent discussion raises interesting issues and >> questions I would like to pursue. >> >> I am trying to identify the parents and origin of Charles and Mary >> (unknown) Roszel. Charles and his brother Joseph were taxpayers in Newton >> Twp., Sussex Co., New Jersey starting in 1774. Charles and Mary had 13 >> children, all born there, beginning in 1880. They moved to Lincoln Co. >> Upper Canada (near Smithville in Niagara region of Ontario now) in 1799. >> Charles reported on census his nationality was German and religion was >> "Tunker". There is indication Charles could read and write both German >> and English. >> >> Responding to my first questions, Mr. Rummel confirmed that there had >> been a migration of Dunkers and Mennonites to that area in Canada at that >> time and mentioned the Amwell Church in Hunterdon Co. New Jersey. Dave >> Sloan gave me a link to the Amwell Church and Dennis [orawhist?] informed >> me about "River Brethren". All very helpful. Thanks so much! >> >> Some researchers assume parents of Charles and his brother Joseph (Jr.?) >> were Joseph Roszel and Ann Alcott. This Joseph (Sr.?) and others in N.J. >> with this last name seem to descend from a Major (British likely) John >> Rossel who emigrated from England. Joseph Sr.'s father is thought to be a >> Zachariah Roszel but he has been found to have attended an Anglican >> Church and he is buried in the Anglican Cemetery. Is Alcott a Dunker >> name? >> >> In about the mid 1700s, a Roszel from N.J. migrated to Virginia near >> Washington DC outside Philomont, VA. His son, a young preacher, built an >> Anglican Chapel in their farm and was converted to Methodist when >> Anglicans were unwelcome after the American Revolution. The Roszell >> Chapel Methodist Church exists today in Philomont. >> >> Was Roszel a known Dunker name? I'm sceptical that an English speaking >> Anglican family, name spelled Rossel would morph into a German speaking >> Tunker family, name spelled Roszel. However, if that did happen, >> somewhere along the line someone converted from Anglican to Tunker. Was >> it common for others to convert to Tunker? Was it common for a husband to >> adopt his wife's beliefs? Regarding the spelling - is it possible that >> the "sz" in Roszel was originally the soft - g mentioned by Nancy Cripe? >> Did all the Dunkers come originally from the same group that started >> their faith in Schwarzenau, Germany? And did they emigrate to the New >> World over the same time period? There were German speaking people who >> had settled in other European countries, e.g. Poland, Russia, Ukraine and >> who became displaced persons after WW 1 and WW 2. Did these "colonies" >> exist in the 1700s and did any Dunkers come from these areas? >> >> About 5 years ago I met a Roszell whose family was from the area in Ohio >> originally settled by "Mound Indians". This Roszel wasn't into genealogy. >> I assumed that the connection was with the Philomont Roszels and not us. >> I've since lost contact. But last fall discussion on this list mentioned >> Dunkers had migrated to that area of Ohio. So again I wonder if there >> was a Dunker connection? Does anyone know if there were Roszels in that >> migration? >> >> Thanks to those discussing the Dunker migration on this list. I find it >> very interesting. Re: the one room school discussion from some time ago: >> I attended a one room school here in Raleigh Twp. now in the municipality >> of Chatham-Kent. We played "Eenie Ayenie Over" too but I thought it was a >> British game. >> >> Sincere thanks! >> >> Marc Roszell, >> Chatham, Ontario, Canada >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> Marc Roszell >> >>> On Feb 14, 2014, at 6:49 PM, Melanie Rice <mjrice.denver@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Gale, >>> >>> You said, >>> *"The Dunker minister during this time frame was Elder Philip Younce of >>> the >>> Brush Creek branch or arm of the church. It is very unlikely that a pre >>> 1850's Dunker minister would have preformed a marriage for parties who >>> had >>> no connections with the church."* >>> >>> Then, what of John Brower, who married many couples in Preble and I >>> believe, Montgomery counties? Would that have been a different area of >>> jurisdiction? Are you familiar with this John Brower? The Preble >>> County >>> early marriage records list him as performing a number of marriages. >>> >>> Also - am I correct in thinking YOUNCE was distinct from YOUNG at this >>> time >>> / place? >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Melanie >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 7:01 PM, <ghoneyman@woh.rr.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Melanie, >>>> Your Sherow's lived in the lower portion of Miami County OH. The Dunker >>>> minister during this time frame was Elder Philip Younce of the Brush >>>> Creek >>>> branch or arm of the church. It is very unlikely that a pre 1850's >>>> Dunker >>>> minister would have preformed a marriage for parties who had no >>>> connections >>>> with the church. >>>> Gale >>> >>> ------------------------ >>> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >>> ------------------------ >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------ >> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> ------------------------ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 07:10:56 -0700 > From: Melanie Rice <mjrice.denver@gmail.com> > Subject: [BRE] Thank you, all! > To: BRETHREN@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CADOsdMAhtHdKAFNJTf4oYmbwroR4M2Pc6m+v-4MprX7BEnaBCA@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Thank you - all of you - for the excellent suggestions and information. > > This should keep me busy digging for a long time. > > I would still like a couple of suggestions for books that would provide a > general overview of early Brethren history, and hopefully some insight > into > what their daily lives were like. > > Melanie > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 10:13:40 -0600 > From: "Pat J." <patiowamom@netins.net> > Subject: Re: [BRE] German Dunkards recent history story > To: Patrick McGarry <hawkwind275@yahoo.com>, brethren@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <338DE5E6-9E06-4B12-8B5B-B50006B0DFB8@netins.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Thanks for sharing that history. :-) > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 16:38:45 -0500 > From: "Merle Rummel" <cliff@nwwnet.net> > Subject: Re: [BRE] Thank you, all! > To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <d83a499$367fb30a$6baae9a$@nwwnet.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > I would still like a couple of suggestions for books that would provide a > general overview of early Brethren history, and hopefully some insight > into > what their daily lives were like. > > ******************* > > I wrote on these subjects - The Farmer, The Housewife > My especial emphasis was the Four Mile Church, just across the State Line > in Indiana - setting about 1840. One chapter was on the years work on the > farm, in those days. The other was on the housework, daily-weekly and > over > the year - in the more primitive conditions common in those days. > > They are on-line at the website: www.cob-net.org/docs/brethrenlife.htm > file topic: Four Mile Church > > > Merle C Rummel > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the BRETHREN list administrator, send an email to > BRETHREN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the BRETHREN mailing list, send an email to > BRETHREN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of BRETHREN Digest, Vol 9, Issue 33 > ***************************************