Let me offer one last example of someone I have researched but am not related to that is a DAR 'Patriot'. Jacob Fisher (#A133968 in DAR). Jacob is on because he paid the supply tax of 1783 (as did everyone else in then Bedford county) Jacob was a Dunker, and likely Amish before that. Amish/Dunkers/Mennonites would not sign loyalty oaths, would not participate in the militia, but they would pay taxes they were assessed (give unto Caesar what is Caesar's). Jacob immigrated to Canada in 1796 along with a number of other Dunker and Amish families from Somerset County (formed in 1795 from Bedford County). Jacob is listed as having died in Canada in DAR records, which is accurate. Jacob is on a memorial plaque in Canada for immigrants from the USA. Why did these families move to Canada....for one thing their neighbors considered them Tories who were loyal to the King of England. They also wanted to escape the non-associator penalties that were in affect for refusing to serve in the militia (note that Bedford County militia lists are nothing but lists of those eligible for the militia. They are not muster lists). I'll refrain from any editorial comments. I'll end with this, since this topic is becoming a ping pong match. Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: MG Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 12:14 PM To: cliff@nwwnet.net ; brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] German Brethern Immigrants who did not fightbut providedsupplies, etc. I respectfully disagree that provided supplies is someone's imagination. I have an ancestor that was too old to fight but he furnished supplies to help the cause. I have his record from the state archives. In order to prove his service, I had to include this paper that was stamped from the State Archives. Ever generation back to your ancestor has to be backed up with sourced documentation, such as birth, death, marriage, wills, etc. If there are three John Smiths of about the same age, same location, one most prove the correct John Smith as theirs. Not an easy task to separate these men. Men did not have to fight or pick up arms to be a patriot. There were many types of service that the DAR recognizes; military service, civil service, surveyor, jailer, oaths, doctors, nurses, ministers who gave patriotic sermons, furnishing supplies to the Army or substituting for someone. I agree that in the past it may not have been so difficult to prove your ancestor. Today's DAR is just the opposite. You do your best on research and documentation and pray. Have a wonderful day. Education, Preservation and Patriotism Maggie -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Merle Rummel Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2014 7:33 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] German Brethern Immigrants who did not fight but providedsupplies, etc. I'm suspicious of claims of'provided supplies', since records of such transactions are rare. Suchclaims are often based on the imagination of the DAR applicant. The fact that someone supplied the army is not an indication they did it willingly.Both British and American armies often took what they wanted, with the owner of it having little choice. ***************** Elder Jacob Miller (1735-1816) - Franklin Co VA- Dayton OH is registered with the DAR as serving as an Army wagoner in Pennsylvania during the Revolution at the time of the Revolution - he lived in Franklin Co VA - and records there have indicated that he "supplied hams and a gun" to the militia. any way - if during the time he was supposed to be driving a wagon in Eastern Pennsylvania - he was in Southern Virginia - and a gun was taken from him - he was a very active man - As the Ephrata Chronicles says: that is "400 miles toward the setting sun" - in days that a horse traveled 2-3 mile an hour - and a man could walk as fast - just not as far. that DAR applicant claims that Jacob Miller married Mary Goodwin on Dec. 30,1763, in the St. Paul's Lutheran Church in Philadelphia. (He was living in the Antietam Church at that time - at least - put into the ministry there by William Stover) I'm not saying A Jacob Miller didn't marry a Mary Goodwin - she just did not get the RIGHT Jacob Miller I THINK - I've found a first wife named Elizabeth - but even that is unproven. Merle C Rummel ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message