Thank you, John! On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:32 PM, john shafer <shaferjp@hotmail.com> wrote: > The church of the brethren is the main body of what was once known as the > German baptist brethren. In the split in the 1880's the conservative > branch remained German baptist. The progressives became the brethren church > and the main branch is now known as the church of the brethren. > John Shafer > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Feb 13, 2014, at 2:16 PM, "Melanie Rice" <mjrice.denver@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Thank you, Roger. > > > > I've also seen references to COB (Church of the Brethren). My > > understanding is that they are not the same as the German Baptist > Brethren. > > > > > > Am I correct in this? > > > > Melanie > > > > > >> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:45 AM, <RRRhoads@aol.com> wrote: > >> > >> "Would the terms Dunker or Dunkard Brethren and German Baptist be used > >> interchangeably in this era?" > >> Certainly. They original called themselves 'brethren" (lower case) > >> and later other began to call them German Brethren or German Baptist. > >> Outsiders began to call them Dunkers or Dunkards due to the belief that > >> demanded > >> three times full emersion for baptism. There were constant problems of > >> "modernization" and the desire to staying isolated from the "world". > Many > >> Annual Meetings were devoted to what was "good" and "bad". Sunday > >> Schools for > >> example. The conservatives did not like it, but the progressives > wanted > >> them so that children could read the Bible. "Should carpets be > allowed on > >> dirt floors?" was another such issue. > >> Finally, in 1882 various leaders in the Brookville-Trootwood area of > >> Montgomery Co. began to have meetings that resulted in the original > split > >> between the conservatives and progressives (the house still stands and > is > >> a > >> private residence). Today we have many such divisions such as Grace > >> Brethren, Church of the Brethren, Old Baptist Brethren (very > >> conservative), etc. > >> I well remember as a child seeing buggies going by our home near > >> Brookville > >> going to church where the men went in one door and the women and > children > >> in another. The buggies are now gone, and the shed for the horses > during > >> cold weather has only recently been demolished. But there are still > two > >> ultra-conservative churches near Covington, OH that use horse and > buggies. > >> BTW, the United Brethren in Christ and in years past the United > >> Brethren and Evangelical United Brethren (the two merged with the > >> Methodist > >> church to become United Methodist in 1964) were not related to the > above > >> group. > >> > >> Message: 1 > >> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 06:19:39 -0700 > >> From: Melanie Rice <mjrice.denver@gmail.com> > >> Subject: Re: [BRE] BRETHREN Digest, Vol 9, Issue 20 > >> To: RRRhoads@aol.com > >> Cc: brethren@rootsweb.com > >> Message-ID: > >> <CADOsdMBZX2wRtPcpvV=qye_uXVxCyqS4qrf7J_=Vz_udHpuNmQ@mail.gmail.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >> > >> I knew what you meant. :) > >> > >> > >>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 6:14 AM, <RRRhoads@aol.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Woops! Make that Western townships. > >>> > >>> In a message dated 2/13/2014 8:02:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > >>> mjrice.denver@gmail.com writes: > >>> > >>> Cousin Roger! Good to hear from you! I hope you're doing well. I > wish > >>> this family left a trail like T. J. Rhodes did! > >>> > >>> "My experience is that when a couple in those days were married by a > >> J.P. > >>> it is > >>> evidence that the couple was of two different denominations." > >>> > >>> I had not considered the different faiths angle. I also had no idea > >> that > >>> German was spoken for so long in some areas. Would a relatively > >>> assimilated (into the melting pot) family have likely spoken both > >>> languages? > >>> > >>> 1800 found the Sherow's living in a Scot-Irish area of Augusta County, > >>> VA. There, they married into the Andrew and Weikle families, in the > >>> Scot-Irish Presbyterian church. When they arrived in Miami Valley, > OH, > >> ca > >>> 1810, they disbursed and didn't buy land immediately adjacent to the > >> rest > >>> of the family. The Andrew family landed in Montgomery County, and the > >>> Sherow family in Miami County: Union & Concorde twps. Once there, > most > >>> subsequent marriages we find are by JOP, rather than ministers. > >>> > >>> I and a couple of other Sherow cousins are trying to dig further on > this > >>> line, and we are trying to establish the original nationality of > >> "Sherow, > >>> Sherrow, Sharow, Shero, Sharo, Shiro." We have never seen it spelled > >>> Shearer, Sherrer, ect. - which I believe would be the more German > >> variant. > >>> > >>> Once in the Miami Valley, the family married into the Young and Peck > >>> families. A local history says Philip Young joined the Brethren late > in > >>> life. > >>> > >>> Thank you! > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 4:57 AM, <RRRhoads@aol.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Message: 1 > >>>> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 18:55:31 -0700 > >>>> From: Melanie Rice <mjrice.denver@gmail.com> > >>>> Subject: [BRE] German Baptist marriage record questions > >>>> To: BRETHREN@rootsweb.com > >>>> Message-ID: > >>>> <CADOsdMC7Bmu5H5V_y2kx6gFpjTbBW3wwvzza8rff4=UGGnwj5g@mail.gmail.com> > >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >>>> > >>>> If a couple was married by a German Baptist minister in 1827, > >>>> PrebleCounty, OH - *may > >>>> I presume that one or both of their families were brethren?* > >>>> > >>>> During that time period, in relatively newly settled Ohio, would a > >> German > >>>> Baptist minister have married couples who were not part of their > >> church? > >>>> > >>>> The specific marriage record is for a Caty Sharow to a Daniel > Brucker, > >> on > >>>> May 17, 1827, Preble County, OH. > >>>> > >>>> Also, if other couples I am researching in the same vicinity and > time > >>>> period were NOT married by a minister of the gospel, *may I presume > >> the > >>>> couple was not religious?* Would there be legitimate reasons that > >> church > >>>> members would be married by a JOP? > >>>> > >>>> I am working on a difficult family line that seems to have ties in > >> Miami, > >>>> Montgomery and Preble counties, OH, from about 1810 - 1840+. > >>>> > >>>> Do I understand correctly that* the designation "German Baptist" is > >>>> synonymous with Dunker Brethren in the early 1800s, Ohio?* > >>>> > >>>> Lastly, *would the German Baptist churches in the Miami Valley have > >>>> spoken > >>>> ONLY German at that time? Could the churches have been bilingual? > >> What > >>>> about the members?* The family I'm working on (Sherow, etc.), came > >> from > >>>> a > >>>> Scot-Irish settlement in Augusta County, VA, and appears to have > been > >>>> assimilated. My research so far indicates they likely spoke English > >> by > >>>> the > >>>> time they arrived in the Miami Valley, about 1810. > >>>> > >>>> Thank you! > >>>> > >>>> Melanie Rice > >>>> Denver, Colo. > >>>> ------------------------------------------- > >>>> > >>>> Melanie, > >>>> Hey, your one of mine, cuzz (through Thomas Jefferson Rhodes)! My > >>>> experience is that when a couple in those days were married by a J.P. > >> it > >>>> is > >>>> evidence that the couple was of two different denominations. As for > >> the > >>>> spoken > >>>> language, I think that German was spoken among most German > descendants > >>>> until > >>>> as late as the 1870s based on German language tombstones in > Montgomery > >>>> Co. > >>>> I know that the Evangelical Lutheran (aka German) churches had > German > >>>> language preaching until the 1930s. High schools in rural areas > (e.g. > >>>> Brookville) had German courses that ended with WW I when Germany > >> started > >>>> the war. > >>>> When the citizens of Brookville demanded the school stop all German > >>>> courses, the school officials refused. Whereupon the citizens > stormed > >>>> the school > >>>> and burned the books. > >>>> > >>>> Roger Rhoads > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------ > >> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > >> ------------------------ > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------ > > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > > ------------------------ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >